Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Lucien-Henry Horvath
Le 13/10/2010 04:04, Tux99 a écrit : Regardless of all that, it is ALWAYS the user's (not the distro makers) responsibility to comply with local laws of where the distro is being installed/used In fact, if you make a distro law compliant with all countries and tell that to users, you can open

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 06:50, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Let the user then assume that responsibility/liability. This is where, I consider the easy urpmi served its purpose well. It installed repos where the available software that most users would need was made available, but this

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-13 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Fernando Parra wrote: (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the time,) That's very clear, these users are trying to say:

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 13 October 2010 15:34, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote: Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:19:17, Buchan Milne a écrit : On Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:52:58 Tux99 wrote: Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42 Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 13 October 2010 16:29, Olivier Méjean omej...@yahoo.fr wrote: So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but Mageia.org is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws than we are, or are they

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread andré
Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 06:50, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Let the user then assume that responsibility/liability. This is where, I consider the easy urpmi served its purpose well. It installed repos where the available software that most users would need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 10:49, andré a écrit : Tux99 a écrit : On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, and even https support in any browser. Does that seems reasonable to you? You

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread herman
Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I think pre-selected Country installs would just

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 12.10.2010 17:02, schrieb Anssi Hannula: Hi all! Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? My 2 cents: Generally i would like to avoid a seperation like main/contrib in mandriva, but it would be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/13 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva documentation. However, it did fit the at arm's length legal definition of the installation of these pieces of software. That is to mean that Mandriva, in this case, was not

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 09 octobre 2010 à 11:10 +0200, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 05:45, andré wrote : Note that configuration files that have been changed from the installation default are often already saved. (Generally .old is appended to the configuration file name,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 13:04, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/13 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com: Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva documentation. However, it did fit the at arm's length legal definition of the installation of these pieces of software. That is to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 13.10.2010 19:04, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple words the legal implications which may or may

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : Hi all! Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : == And DVDCSS, etc? What's in etc ? However, here in France we have a law Dadvsi on

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : == And DVDCSS, etc? What's in etc ? However,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 14:29 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those dumb users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Michael Scherer wrote: So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace ibiblio.org ? I'm pretty sure ibiblio.org will host Mageia mirror. Salut, Sinner

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Dimitrios Glentadakis
About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very comfortable for new and advanced users. -- Dimitrios Glentadakis

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-13 14:44, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those dumb users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation process

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most definitely have second thoughts. Well, then you can simply be clear with them and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-13 Thread Frank Griffin
Michael Scherer wrote: touching /home is forbidden in %pre and %post per policy. 1) you cannot be sure that every user are available ( ie, using ldap/nis ) 2) you cannot be sure that someone is not already using the directory/config file ( ie, shared home by nfs, or multiuser system ) 3)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-13 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On Wednesday 13 octobre 2010 at 23:34, Frank Griffin wrote : One way of doing it might be, having identified packages that require this sort of support, to wrap the executables with scripts that do this the next time a user runs the software before the real executable is launched. Now that's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-13 Thread Frank Griffin
Renaud MICHEL wrote: On Wednesday 13 octobre 2010 at 23:34, Frank Griffin wrote : One way of doing it might be, having identified packages that require this sort of support, to wrap the executables with scripts that do this the next time a user runs the software before the real executable

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-13 Thread Fernando Parra
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:20:40 -0400 Sinner from the Prairy sinnerbofh-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: Fernando Parra wrote: (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after Firefox

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 00:20, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: Fernando Parra wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 05:59 Sinner from the Prairy wrote: We should publicize more Backports. And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't The Solution.