Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
I think this whole question is not done with an easy answer. It can also not be ssen in a black/white mode. I see the clear insight of Michael's suggestion which is a black/white point of view. Not maintained? Kick it out (well, not out but into the ante-room). But I also see the reality from the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote: Michael Scherer a écrit : Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit : Yann Ciret a écrit : I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case. The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion, we wont use the name restricted as it was used in MDV

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Jerome Quelin
On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime depencies). When all of that is imported and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Balcaen John
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread nicolas vigier
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote: So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion, we wont

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Anne nicolas
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi: So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed out, this is a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Samuel Verschelde
In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are not supported in reality, or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in contrib which are perfectly supported, in cooker as in stable releases. You gave me examples. However I see very

[Mageia-dev] Support policy

2010-11-30 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Hi, I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia. It would be interesting to know (or decide) where Mageia is heading, given our limited resources : 1) focus on stability and security : few very well equally supported packages. Apparently, this is where we're going for now. May be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
Jerome Quelin skrev 30.11.2010 12:48: On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
Balcaen John skrev 30.11.2010 12:50: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
Samuel Verschelde skrev 30.11.2010 13:04: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
Anne nicolas skrev 30.11.2010 13:15: 2010/11/30 Thomas Backlundt...@iki.fi: So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
Michael Scherer skrev 30.11.2010 14:23: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 07:50 -0300, Balcaen John a écrit : Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 13:29, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: What I'm saying is totally different : In the first case : - no one steps in to maintain it. We drop it. In the second case : - no one steps in to maintain it. Because we promised to support it, and because there

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Daniel Kreuter
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi * core - enabled by default - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror - only free/libre stuff as described by FSF / OSI - must be selfcontained * nonfree - disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if it detects hw

Re: [Mageia-dev] Support policy

2010-11-30 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 16:13:25, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 13:31 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Hi, I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia. It would be interesting to know (or decide) where Mageia is heading, given our limited

Re: [Mageia-dev] Support policy

2010-11-30 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 16:36 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 16:13:25, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 13:31 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Hi, I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia. It would be

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Yann Ciret
Le 30/11/2010 11:37, Thomas Backlund a écrit : Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? I agree with this proposal. Regards Yann

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On mardi 30 novembre 2010 at 11:37, Thomas Backlund wrote : Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? I agree. -- Renaud Michel

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:29:28 schreef Samuel Verschelde: In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are not supported in reality, or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in contrib which are perfectly supported, in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Sam Bailey
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:37:42 +0200, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote: Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? I also agree with this structure. -- Sam Bailey Cyprix Enterprises Web: cyprix.com.au Em: cyp...@cyprix.com.au Mb: 0425 796 308

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010-11-30 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 12:04:49 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug

Re: [Mageia-dev] Support policy

2010-11-30 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:31:08 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Hi, I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia. It would be interesting to know (or decide) where Mageia is heading, given our limited resources : 1) focus on stability and security : few very well equally