On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:17:27 -0400, Buchan Milne bgmi...@staff.telkomsa.net
wrote:
But, that is *your* view.
IMHO, some of these questions should be posed to the community.
My opinion, is that the there must be an iso that includes
everything needed to install a basic system, and get updates
Ok, can we get back on topic?
Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3
source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia?
If not then I want to reenable it.
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Ok, can we get back on topic?
Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3
source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia?
If not then I want to reenable it.
Work on TDE on your side first, we
- andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2011/3/24 Olivier Blinmag...@blino.org:
Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de writes:
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter
- Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 11:18:03 schreef Olivier Blin:
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com writes:
It can't be free and have non-free firmware... previously
the
firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like
(almost) part of the hardware.
I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann)
Am 25.03.2011 09:23, schrieb Buchan Milne:
Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the*real* question is, would this discourage
some of our target market from using our distribution.
IOW, we*must* get community input (after documenting some proposals).
Maybe we should postpone this question.
Let
- Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware
that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it
like
(almost) part of the hardware.
I agree with
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
Imho, Mageia had better to wait for a trinity-qt4-desktop...
++
yg
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't
Am Freitag 25 März 2011, 10:09:57 schrieb Tux99:
What everyone here seems to forget is that a community distro should be
first and foremost about FREEDOM. Freedom to let others enjoy their
preferred software, not ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS imposed by personal
preferences or unnecessarily
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:09, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me
who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to
enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 source package that is part of Mageia.
Then
Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:21
A community distro is first and formost about community. Every time one
of your
ideas, suggestions, questions is answered by anyone with a no you
begin to
blame a few of the core members, no matter how many people said no
and who
Quote: xi wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:32
As always, please don't drop too fast the packages that you find
useless. There are still some users like me who may use QT3.
I still use some not so common applications (eg tools for electronic)
which needs QT3 and it is always much more
i try to compile it iself but it need gtk 2.0+ and that is not on the
repos...and when i try to compile gtk that need more dependens,that no are
in the repos too..
excuseme my english.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:37, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:30
Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights
but too about duties. The freedom above comes from people that take
their time to craft and package things,
2011/3/25 cristian gomez cjg...@gmail.com:
i try to compile it iself but it need gtk 2.0+ and that is not on the
repos...and when i try to compile gtk that need more dependens,that no are
in the repos too..
excuseme my english.
check rather gtk+2.0 package
--
Anne
http://www.mageia.org
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:30
Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights
but too about duties. The freedom above comes from people that take
their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53
You can't force a maintainer to do something you want and that she
judges not right for her set of packages.
We seem to be having a communication issue. Where did I force a maintainer
to do anything?
I asked if there is any COMPELLING
Le 21/03/2011 16:10, Stefano Negro a écrit :
2011/3/21 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de mailto:tv...@gmx.de
The last time I installed Ubuntu (one year ago, i think) it detected my
mandriva installation and set it up in the grub. Nevertheless it doesn't
worked and I had to manipulate
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:50
Having a qt3-devel packages does not automatically imply having
packages
based on it in the official repos.
Why do you want to have a qt3-devel package on the official repos, if
it's not to have other packages based on it ?
Why
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:33, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53
If you can't work here by that, or if you are not happy with how
things go here, you are free to discuss this openly with members of
the council or of the board to sort it out.
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:56
A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no
to something. Implying that this would restrict freedoms of users
would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this
is an open source project.
You seem to be confusing
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
And you want to arbitrarily make life a lot harder
On Friday 25 March 2011 08:18:38, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
If you think so...
As as already said
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble:
My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom
is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia.
This is a very, very subjective statement, and I am rather concerned
that it's being used as some kind of
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also
compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to
compile TDE =3.5.12 cf
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3
Quote: tux99 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:47
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can
also compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch*
This has really moved away from the question of providing
drivers/firmware to a pissing contest about whose philosophy the
default offerings should represent.
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs, and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 would
nicolas vigier wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
And you want to arbitrarily make
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43
Freedom is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with
compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if
you
want to use it.
But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro,
wanting to
2011/3/25 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com:
You can say what you like about newbies or Aunt Edna, but anyone who can
find one ISO for themselves can find two, and the argument about how the
drivers/firmware wouldn't take up much space on the DVD goes both ways,
since downloading a separate
2011/3/25 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also
compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to
compile TDE =3.5.12 cf
Hi,
Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten off topic.
My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity.
Beware, we also updated Qt to version 3.3.8c (just a few minor
changes, no idea if bugs remain) while we finish the porting to Qt4.
--
later,
Quote: John Balcaen wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:27
As I said earlier in this thread I have of course already rebuilt
the qt3
package on my box and started working on the TDE packages (thanks
to work
done by Tim for Mandriva it's far easier for me now).
So we can now work on next
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:53
Hi,
Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten
off topic.
My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity.
Beware, we also updated Qt to
On 3/25/11, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are missing the
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 12:10 did gyre and gimble:
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43
Freedom is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with
compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if
you
want to use it.
But isn't
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36
It was Donald Knuth who said Premature optimization is the root of
all
evil, and the same can be said of Speculative Packaging IMO!
Actually you just made my point here, excluding qt3-devel out of 'neatness'
is quite clearly premature
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 13:42 did gyre and gimble:
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36
It was Donald Knuth who said Premature optimization is the root of
all
evil, and the same can be said of Speculative Packaging IMO!
Actually you just made my point
On 25 March 2011 13:27, John Balcaen mik...@mandriva.org wrote:
The only problem we faced is that we're not agree about packaging qt3-devel
Totally off topic: are you french :-) ?
Hoyt Duff wrote:
On 3/25/11, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are
On 25.03.2011 14:04, Frank Griffin wrote:
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs,
I'd not presume that, as as previously stated they contain firmware
files without source code even now.
--
Anssi Hannula
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, xi wrote:
Hi again,
You are wrong, there are software which need qt3-devel, but they have been
removed from Mageia!
I have just taken a look at Mageia missing package list, and QCad will be
removed because it is built against QT3 (quoting: qcad: stewb -
2011/3/25 xi ctrl.alt@free.fr:
Hoyt Duff wrote:
I agree, there is no 'compelling reason' not to offer it. The people
doing the work just don't want to because enabling it means they have
to support it. _Since Mageia doesn't need it for anything_, it makes no
sense to enable it; it
My two cents as an user:
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs, and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 would address
extending install functionality without changing the content of the
existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over
2011/3/25 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net:
OTOH, if aforementioned non-free software can be downloaded
automatically over the Internet (especially during installation), then
the whole issue becomes moot.
The start of this debate (which has grown very far beyond the initial
request) was
Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 12:43:28 schreef Colin Guthrie:
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble:
[...]
Freedom is in no way restricted.
[...]
totally off topic here, but:
Freedom is always restricted, if there is unrestricted freedom, other people
will not be free
On 25 March 2011 19:29, Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote:
ahmad ahmad 0.6-5.mga1:
+ Revision: 77425
- bump rel and submit to core/testing to build against libimobiledevice-1.1.0
This is core/updates_testing, not core/testing.
Bumping release is uneeded in order to upload to
(Damn google Reply button).
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
Date: 25 March 2011 20:58
Subject: Re: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1
To: Thierry Vignaud thierry.vign...@gmail.com
On 25 March 2011 20:52, Thierry Vignaud
On 25 March 2011 19:59, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
And bumping the release, is just to make it easier for users who
already have clementine installed to update the package (without
having to use --replacepkgs...) to test it.
I didn't though about that :-(
On Friday 25 March 2011 16:45:21, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
Hello there,
We started mentoring 2 months ago with oliver, and as we are both very
busy at work, it took quite some time for us to get ready. But oliver
did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new
packager :-)
Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 20:49:53 schreef Anne nicolas:
2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARD shikam...@mandriva.org:
[...]
Welcome Oliver !
Indeed welcome in hell :)
[...]
Welcome to hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc
Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59:
The repo name in installations is Core Testing, so the inconsistency
is not fully my fault :)
Not anymore...
I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn.
But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name.
--
Thomas
On 25 March 2011 22:25, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote:
Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59:
The repo name in installations is Core Testing, so the inconsistency
is not fully my fault :)
Not anymore...
I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn.
But since you already
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com schrieb am 25.03.2011
On 25 March 2011 21:45, Remy CLOUARD shikam...@mandriva.org wrote:
Welcome Oliver !
Welcome!
I don't want this to sound like a stupid oscar thank you speach. But
thanks for your welcome. I hope we will create a wonderful
Le 25/03/2011 21:37, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 25 March 2011 21:45, Remy CLOUARD shikam...@mandriva.org wrote:
Hello there,
We started mentoring 2 months ago with oliver, and as we are both very
busy at work, it took quite some time for us to get ready. But oliver
did a very nice
On 03/25/2011 03:49 PM, Anne nicolas wrote:
2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARDshikam...@mandriva.org:
Welcome Oliver !
Indeed welcome in hell :)
You're certainly a recognized name around here, and best of luck.
@Anne, in my old company, when a developer reached lofty enough stature
to be invited to
On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote:
This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work
in conjunction with GDM ?
I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it
crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to
2011/3/25 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com:
On 03/25/2011 03:49 PM, Anne nicolas wrote:
2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARDshikam...@mandriva.org:
Welcome Oliver !
Indeed welcome in hell :)
Ah, so this is where he wasted all the time he should have spent on
really important work! :)
Although I
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