Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Oliver Burger
Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de schrieb am 14.06.2011 Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: I don't get it why people think a re-install is necessary. My current computer was installed with mandriva 2007 (don't remember if it was .0 or .1), it is now mageia 1 and has been

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 08:48, schrieb Oliver Burger: Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de schrieb am 14.06.2011 An Upgrade is nearly the same, than reinstalling. The difference is only, that you can use your system in the mean time and you are not forced to install the missing packages. And you keep all

Re: [Mageia-dev] autologin + consolekit

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 12/06/11 23:45 did gyre and gimble: Hi, The autologin package is broken due to the fact that it doesn't connect to consolekit and thus the user who is automatically logged in doesn't get any permissions etc. I've fixed this by changing the autologin

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgaonline-2.77.30-1.mga2

2011-06-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 June 2011 09:25, Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote:  + ze ze    - correct renaming    - use native rpm macros instead variables,not both in same spec 1) try to make your commit logs real english 2) please stop altering buildroot definition, this is pointless with rpm-4.8

Re: [Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.0 now available

2011-06-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 11 June 2011 23:52, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for helping but 1) Please use a better changelog message, like Rebuild for perl 5.14. Increase rel for rebuild is not interesting when looking at the history of a package. we should really reject one word commit messages, at

Re: [Mageia-dev] Cross compile x86_64 on i586 for icecream?

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 13/06/11 12:24 did gyre and gimble: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm not exactly a guru with icecream but is it possible to build a toolchain that can allow i586 nodes to compile x86_64 code? If your question is about the toolchain,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Some news regarding rpm packaging rules : %clean section

2011-06-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 13 June 2011 11:52, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: Note to other packagers: Please don't go cleaning (no pun intended) spec files without thinking. As with all changes to rpm specs (such as the infamous buildroot change of '09 :D) making the specs clean for one distro version

Re: [Mageia-dev] Job offer : mentoring program coordinator

2011-06-14 Thread andre999
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le lundi 13 juin 2011 00:52:18, andre999 a écrit : Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Hello to everyone, I'm sure there's someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn't found yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there's a job that's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Some news regarding rpm packaging rules : %clean section

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 10:32 +0200, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : On 13 June 2011 11:52, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: Note to other packagers: Please don't go cleaning (no pun intended) spec files without thinking. As with all changes to rpm specs (such as the infamous buildroot

Re: [Mageia-dev] Cross compile x86_64 on i586 for icecream?

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/06/11 09:27 did gyre and gimble: 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 13/06/11 12:24 did gyre and gimble: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm not exactly a guru with icecream but is it possible to build a toolchain that can allow i586

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
So why does it have to be treated differently than the others since there is nothing special about this release cycle  ? Michael, please give me an example of an application that releases on average 5 time a month. Really, give me an example. And, like it or not, calibre is _THE_

[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
Hello, I will forward in this thread the messages coming from the forum. They aren't my opinion. Lebarhon.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
by *corbintech https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=646* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:12 I quit the ML because I was not doing it right (never used a list like that before). So if I may, I will post here what somebody responded to me and write my response here.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread lebarhon
by *roadrunner https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=468* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It's

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and lebarhon at 14/06/11 11:42 did gyre and gimble: by *roadrunner https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=468* » Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section

[Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Balcaen John
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 08:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit : Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? I noticed that mandriva is now providing a -stable, -beta and -devel version of firefox, maybe we can use this solution. Regards, -- Balcaen John Jabber

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 13:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit : Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? Mandriva now has several packages for firefox (like for chromium), following the upstream channels, maybe we could envision doing it too ? Samuel

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Daniel Kreuter
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Balcaen John mik...@mageia.org wrote: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 08:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit : Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? I noticed that mandriva is now providing a -stable, -beta and -devel version of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Sander Lepik
14.06.2011 15:30, Michael Scherer kirjutas: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 14:14 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mardi 14 juin 2011 13:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit : Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? Mandriva now has several packages for firefox

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Sander Lepik
14.06.2011 15:32, Frank Griffin kirjutas: On 06/14/2011 08:22 AM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Upgrading stable firefox to firefox5rc and importing firefox-{beta,aurora} are two distinct orthogonal things IMHO. since firefox5 is near being released, I think we should update main xulrunner+firefox

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 08:22 AM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Upgrading stable firefox to firefox5rc and importing firefox-{beta,aurora} are two distinct orthogonal things IMHO. since firefox5 is near being released, I think we should update main xulrunner+firefox to 5 anyway Whatever we do, please don't

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
I agree. Mailing lists are messy and hard to follow. And sometimes the only response you get is about how you sent the message wrong. I bet more people would use the forums. Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Im seeing more and more comments coming in about this. forums would

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote: On 06/13/2011 06:45 PM, JA Magallón wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:33:20 -0400, Frank Griffinf...@roadrunner.com  wrote: On 06/13/2011 04:12 PM, Frank Griffin wrote: Ahh.  Correction with the latest updates: now the ID

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 08:56 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: if you can provide the urpmi logs i would be glad to fix this as quickly as possible I didn't keep the stdout, although the fact that the package is installed is logged in /var/log/messages, the conflict errors are not. However, the last ones I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 09:07 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: So, IMHO this discussion is as meaningless as the famous/infamous vi vs emacs discussions of way back when. +1 Not to mention that if you don't like getting emails, you can always simply use the archives to find what interests you.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 14 June 2011 14:30, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? Mandriva now has several packages for firefox (like for chromium), following the upstream channels, maybe we could envision doing it too ? That's 3 times the

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote: On 06/14/2011 08:56 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: if you can provide the urpmi logs i would be glad to fix this as quickly as possible I didn't keep the stdout, although the fact that the package is installed is logged in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Bruno Cornec
Lee Forest said on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 08:52:50AM -0400: Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Yes, all the ones who really work on making the distro ! And I can't take that opportunity to thank them :-) My self +1 for ML, -1 for forums. Bruno. -- Open Source Linux

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. In a forum everything is more central. A lot less

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 03:00 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : So why does it have to be treated differently than the others since there is nothing special about this release cycle ? Michael, please give me an example of an application that releases on average 5 time a month.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 07:55 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : A rolling release has following advantages: 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Angelo Naselli
martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto: Fedora made a better judgment I didn't find my commoncpp2 version there, for me is blocking, they ship 0.7.x and 0.8.x is out with *important* fixings! Every time a kernel update (upgrade) is pushed, we need to wait nvidia

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 09:27 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Conflicts should be fixed now. In order to separate the upgrade issues, I just did a fresh Cauldron GNOME install in a VBox VM, and tried to log in. I get the flat (not striped) blue background, probably because your dependency fix hasn't come

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic.

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote: On 06/14/2011 09:27 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Conflicts should be fixed now. In order to separate the upgrade issues, I just did a fresh Cauldron GNOME install in a VBox VM, and tried to log in. I get the flat (not

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 15:43, schrieb Michael Scherer: Yes, but Backports are not officially supported and we wouldn't advice new users to backports normally. I am sorry, but I fail to follow your reasoning. What I meant is: We can't tell the user to use the backports and if he runs in trouble we

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 15:38, Lee Forest lee...@gmail.com wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. As golden as the need to not to have redundancy: it depends. Redundancy can be very, very appreciated. But not always in a

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 10:04 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Frank Griffinf...@roadrunner.com wrote: On 06/14/2011 09:27 AM, Dexter Morgan wrote: If I try to install gnome-themes-standard, I get conflicts with gnome-themes-2.32, which has been pulled in by epiphany-2.32.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Stefano Negro
2011/6/14 Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto: . Said that every distros have problems. Mageia has no monodevelop for me taht's blocking as well... I will push monodevelop in svn asap (maybe this evening), for the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 10:22 AM, Lee Forest wrote: On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: That's not caused by an ML, it's caused by people being lazy and quoting the entire message to which they're replying, which is a breach of netiquette. As is top-posting :-) Android mail does that by

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lee Forest at 14/06/11 13:52 did gyre and gimble: mailing list might work best for a couple people but is it worth inconveniencing the rest of the word because you are a die hard mailing list user I've posted the arguments before and I'll do it again, despite this thread

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: I don't want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. So, if you ask me what is wrong with Arch, I would say: * due to the rolling release, it's nearly vanilla. This doesn't match requirements of Mageia * no innovations (because

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Anne nicolas
2011/6/14 Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: I don't want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. So, if you ask me what is wrong with Arch, I would say: * due to the rolling release, it's nearly vanilla. This doesn't

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread Damien Lallement
Le 14/06/2011 16:04, Dexter Morgan a écrit : [...] do you have the logs from ~/.xsession-errors when the session fails please ? My session fails each time I try to launch an apps (even gnome-terminal!). Here is my log: http://pastebin.mandriva.com/23048 Nothing bad in my Xorg.log Help, I'm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 17:02, schrieb Anne nicolas: I do not understand what people are saying about backports being unsupported. IMHO we should either have backports that are supported, with fixes for security issues and important bugs, or no backports. I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org: I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. Use it at your own risks We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear Do you mean, just telling people that it is no risk or do you mean

Re: [Mageia-dev] get-skype package for submission

2011-06-14 Thread Angelo Naselli
I would prefer to find a better way than suggest :/ ( like a meta rpm pulling mgarepo, bm, the policy and rpmlint ). something like task-mageia-devel? Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

[Mageia-dev] forum/mailing list project

2011-06-14 Thread Lee Forest
Mailing lists and forums I guess both have drawbacks and advantages. I am sorry if I sounded biased, and was off topic. I still think some kind of innovative new messaging/forum/blog/mailing list reimagining sounds like a fun project. But I do understand its not a feasible option right now for

Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5

2011-06-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:14:02 +0200 Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 13:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit : Hello, do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ? Mandriva now has several packages for firefox (like for chromium),

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Patricia Fraser
Hi, 2c from the marcomm team... Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle - 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva 2010.1 Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle - 18 months life cycle ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 ) Proposal 3: 12 months

Re: [Mageia-dev] forum/mailing list project

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Lee Forest lee...@gmail.com: Mailing lists and forums I guess both have drawbacks and advantages. I am sorry if I sounded biased, and was off topic. I still think some kind of innovative new messaging/forum/blog/mailing list reimagining sounds like a fun project. But I do understand

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Release frequency never was a criteria for differentiating between pushing something to updates and something to backports. It should be. Otherwise, we should all be using OpenOffice.org 1.0.1. -- security issues set aside. And I see no reason why it would be in favor of doing a bug fix

[Mageia-dev] gmane

2011-06-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting will

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 14 June 2011 15:52, Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it wrote: martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto: Fedora made a better judgment I didn't find my commoncpp2 version there, for me is blocking, they ship 0.7.x and 0.8.x is out with *important* fixings! Every

Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:  - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Indeed, Mageia does not have the number of packagers that Fedora has. However, if Mageia's _policy_ is to rather have 6-7 months old versions in updates, I should probably realize that Mageia is not for me. This will ultimately be up to the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Balcaen John
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 13:28:43, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 14 June 2011 15:52, Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it wrote: martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto: Fedora made a better judgment I didn't find my commoncpp2 version there, for me is blocking, they ship

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Would this 'backports' repository section sound better to you if it is renamed e.g. to 'rolling' ? (: No, backports sounds very bad, except maybe for people coming from Mandriva. They (you!) must love the concept. (Oh, maybe trolling instead of rolling :-)) Let me put it this way. People

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de wrote: Am 14.06.2011 15:43, schrieb Michael Scherer: Yes, but Backports are not officially supported and we wouldn't advice new users  to backports normally. I am sorry, but I fail to follow your reasoning. What I meant

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: On the user point of view, all one should care is knowing a newer version, which is supposed tested and approved, is available. A BIG +1 -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Anne nicolas
2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org: I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. Use it at your own risks We may have to rewrite this and make things clear Do you

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 14 June 2011 09:25, Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de wrote: [...] Backports aren't supposed to be for the averaged user I've seen this argument more than once in this thread. Why isn't backports suitable for the average user? that same average user would install an RPM package from a 3rd party

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi, On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: and shouldn't be used to bring the half of your system up to date. The word stable release implies doesn't change much; so a new version of vlc or wine isn't a problem, but don't put updating to GNOME3 or KDE

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.2.20-1.mga2

2011-06-14 Thread Damien Lallement
Le 14/06/2011 15:34, Mageia Team a écrit : Name: taskcoachRelocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.2.20Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga2Build Date: Tue Jun 14 15:33:18 2011 Install Date: (not installed)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 01:33 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote: Hi, This has all been discussed before. See the thread at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/924

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
2011/6/14 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Hi, On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: and shouldn't be used to bring the half of your system up to date. The word stable release implies doesn't change much; so a new version of vlc or wine isn't a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)

2011-06-14 Thread Angelo Naselli
I (FWIW I've not seen the nvidia proprietary kernel module fail to compile in about 6-8months, and the kernel got updated many times during the previous Cauldron release cycle). Maybe he was talking about fglrx :) and not in Cauldron but in fedora not the last kernel update though

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time these replies complaining about top posting, lazyness, or 'netiquette' are being shot back instead of useful respones. In a forum this is much less

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Angelo Naselli
In data lunedì 13 giugno 2011 23:44:01, Colin Guthrie ha scritto: read about 30 or 40 different community lists. It's much quicker for me to have a standard UI and a standard way of operating and a standard look and feel. Each project having a separate forum, with separate logins, with

Re: [Mageia-dev] get-skype package for submission

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 17:40:56 schreef Angelo Naselli: I would prefer to find a better way than suggest :/ ( like a meta rpm pulling mgarepo, bm, the policy and rpmlint ). something like task-mageia-devel? Angelo +1

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 04:08:34 schreef Michael Scherer: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 03:30 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 01:02:51 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20:

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 18:08:17 schreef Patricia Fraser: Hi, 2c from the marcomm team... Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle - 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva 2010.1 Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle - 18 months life cycle ( ~ opensuse

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Margot
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time these replies complaining about top posting, lazyness, or

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 22:35:21 schreef Margot: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. Half the time

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 20:00:39, Anne nicolas a écrit : 2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas enn...@mageia.org: I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. Use it at your own risks We

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Patricia Fraser
Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 18:08:17 schreef Patricia Fraser: Hi, 2c from the marcomm team... Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle - 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva 2010.1 Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle - 18 months life cycle

Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME3 ?

2011-06-14 Thread JA Magallón
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:09:44 +0200, Damien Lallement mag...@damsweb.net wrote: Le 14/06/2011 16:04, Dexter Morgan a écrit : [...] do you have the logs from ~/.xsession-errors when the session fails please ? My session fails each time I try to launch an apps (even gnome-terminal!).

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/14 Margot mar...@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk: Forums aren't exactly 'modern' - they're just a BBS with added graphics. You put the whole discussion into the perspective it deserves! Thx for making my day! -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
2011/6/9 JA Magallón magal...@unizar.es: Hi all... I have a problem with this first big change in Cauldron... I have a couple test boxes in which I have updated everything, and I can't get Gnome 3 to work properly. I suppose it is still work in progress, but as other people sent messages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 15 juin 2011 à 02:33 +0900, Jehan Pagès a écrit : And as I said in another mail, if people want to follow arch linux and do a better job, maybe they should start to explain what are the weak points of the distribution and then do proposal on stuff that can be done better

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 15 juin 2011 à 03:23 +0900, Jehan Pagès a écrit : Hi, I think it is so insane so many distributions are still with an update by CD logics (even though it is partly modernized with dropping the iso into an usb stick, or even simply mounting it directly, I think that is still so

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Griffin
On 06/14/2011 06:40 PM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Do you have gnome-control-center installed I have the same situation, and gnome-control-center is installed. I think it's time for you to actually test the reproducible cases we've given you. Unless you have first-hand knowledge that your

Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 18:17 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.2.20-1.mga2

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 15:44 +0200, Damien Lallement a écrit : Le 14/06/2011 15:34, Mageia Team a écrit : Name: taskcoachRelocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.2.20Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga2

[Mageia-dev] mesaglut versus freeglut in cauldron

2011-06-14 Thread Philippe DIDIER
Hi ! Wonderful job done by the team (congratulations) just some problems with some missing rpms in Mageia1 : waiting for a solution to be found to add them (in backports or updates repo?) and it will be perfect ! Talking about future (whatever the release cycle will be) : Just a reminder :

Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/15 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 18:17 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:  - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2011/6/15 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 06/14/2011 06:40 PM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Do you have gnome-control-center installed I have the same situation, and gnome-control-center is installed. Confirmed, same problem. Just switched a Mageia 1 to Cauldron via urpmi, installed

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-14 Thread Dick Gevers
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:02:16 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3: 2011/6/15 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 06/14/2011 06:40 PM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Do you have gnome-control-center installed I have the same situation, and gnome-control-center is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-14 Thread Dexter Morgan
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/6/15 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com: On 06/14/2011 06:40 PM, Dexter Morgan wrote: Do you have gnome-control-center installed I have the same situation, and gnome-control-center is installed. Confirmed,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Remco Rijnders
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:43:57PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 00:50:48, Michael Scherer a écrit : Or, as a mathematician would say : backport_level(R) = stormi_constant / release_frequency(R) ( please not that you are now half as famous as Planck, Faraday and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 19:33:00 schrieb Jehan Pagès: So basically what people call a light rolling release in this thread is a rolling release where packages are tested and integrated? And what you call a (non-light) rolling release is a development rolling release (cooker, cauldron…)