On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:47:07AM -0500, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
| ands, or buts, about it. If the Mageia community chooses to opeate as a
| criminal organization, I will have nothing to do with it.
| I don't agree on most of the above, and i believe the last sentence to be
| offensive,
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:47, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ewil...@bex.net wrote:
If the Mageia community chooses to ignore the laws of some countries for any
reason (even if the community can not be prosecuted), I want nothing to do
with it.
So you do already. The common subset of laws of all
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
Le 13 déc. 2010 à 13:50, Philippe DIDIERphilippedid...@laposte.net a écrit :
The creator of a software can be prosecuted on the basis of patents even
if they were registered later
Of course, nothing new here.
That does not, however, prove that the motive of
Hoyt Duff a écrit :
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.ewil...@bex.net wrote:
People who break laws are criminals - no ifs,
ands, or buts, about it.
Although I disagree with your conclusions (which I will explain further
down), your post does bring up an important
Daniel Kreuter a écrit :
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ewil...@bex.net
mailto:ewil...@bex.net wrote:
As I see it, we already have a usable mirror lay-out (posted earlier
in this
thread). The only real discussion that should remain is whether to
include
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ewil...@bex.net wrote:
People who break laws are criminals - no ifs,
ands, or buts, about it.
People who break _criminal_ laws like murder and assault are criminals.
People who break _civil_ laws like traffic or zoning are not usually
2010/12/13 Hoyt Duff hoytd...@gmail.com:
In other words, if the taint is available to you, and you believe to
touch the taint is bad, don't do it. But don't force others to follow
your rules.
Yes, this applies to users and mirror maintainers in these
environment. This discussion is about
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:36:05AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 08:16:33AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Not to mention that a ratio of 2 mirrors in the USA out of a total
of 25 seems rather odd, for something that admins do not care.
2 of 25 PLF
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:36:05AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 08:16:33AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Not to mention that a ratio of 2 mirrors in the USA out of a total
of 25 seems rather odd, for something that admins do
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 03:15:40PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
And how does that translate for free software ?
In the U.S., software patent holders have avoided attacking targets
without a lot of financial resources.
Well, what if we end having enough ressources in the futur ?
The only
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 02:26:32PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
- for packaging/shipping the distribution
Evidently easier to package. (One less consideration.)
As well, the problem doesn't exist in France, so Mageia itself won't
be a target.
This is a over
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 02:26:32PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
- for packaging/shipping the distribution
Evidently easier to package. (One less consideration.)
As well, the problem doesn't exist in France, so Mageia itself won't
be a
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 08:16:33AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Not to mention that a ratio of 2 mirrors in the USA out of a total
of 25 seems rather odd, for something that admins do not care.
2 of 25 PLF mirrors in the U.S.
Technically, 1, since the other is down ( and should be removed from
Luca Berra a écrit :
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:46:21PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Thinking of PLF, MLF comes to mind but that abbreviation has another
well-known meaning. :) pisc (patented in some countries) is another
what i particulary like about the plf name is the liberation word,
2010/12/11 Michael scherer m...@zarb.org:
You should look a little bit more closely. For example, libdvdcss2 is plf
only.
So does various emulator, lame ( and related like darkice ), gstreamer-bad,
etc. There is amule, and similar software. More than 2.
I am sure that using a small shell
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 08:16:33AM -0500, andre999 wrote:
Not to mention that a ratio of 2 mirrors in the USA out of a total
of 25 seems rather odd, for something that admins do not care.
2 of 25 PLF mirrors in the U.S.
Technically, 1, since the other is down (
Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. a écrit :
Perhaps we should follow the approach other distributions seem to use.
Official Mageia repos:
Core: The core Mageia distribution (IMHO, should contain only a very minimal
instalation (No GUI or Productivity software).
Desktop: GUI and Productivity software.
Just some smallish notes regarding other distros..
On 10.12.2010 12:22, andre999 wrote:
Debian uses the same names main, contrib, non-free, with explicit policy
close to Mandriva practices.
In the same policy page, they say that patent-contrained software goes
into non-free, then further down
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 17:04, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/10 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Let's try this: what if we consider, at first, that software patents
were a non-issue? (that is, we just consider they are all invalid as
such).
From a mirror
2010/12/10 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Ok, but you still take into account SP in your answer. :-p (we would
have come to that, but the idea was to think about it from a naïve,
software-patent-free perspective).
If there were no software patents anywhere what would be the issue of
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 19:14, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/10 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Ok, but you still take into account SP in your answer. :-p (we would
have come to that, but the idea was to think about it from a naïve,
software-patent-free
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2010/12/10 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Ok, but you still take into account SP in your answer. :-p (we would
have come to that, but the idea was to think about it from a naïve,
software-patent-free perspective).
If there were no
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 16:35, Wolfgang Bornathmolc...@googlemail.com wrote:
Isn't this what this whole discussion is about? There ARE legal issues
with some software users regard as must have. Now, how do you avoid
these issues?
To summarize, strategies:
1.
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2010/12/10 Romain d'Alvernyrdalve...@gmail.com:
Ok, but you still take into account SP in your answer. :-p (we would
have come to that, but the idea was to think about it from a naïve,
software-patent-free perspective).
2010/12/8 andre999 and...@laposte.net:
By presenting a special set of repositories for patent-affected software, we
could be seen as justifying these patent sharks.
In their minds, why else would be accommodate them ?
Patented software is a reality in some countries. You can't discuss it
away
2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they
don't include any patented software in their official repos at all,
not even mp3 playback is possible in a default install. They even
don't include any non-free stuff, so no
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.comwrote:
Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because
they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for
Mandriva. What about Ubuntu? What about Fedora?
In Ubuntu you have some patented
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com schrieb am 2010-12-08
On 8 December 2010 10:51, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they
don't include any patented software in their official repos at all,
not even mp3 playback is
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.comwrote:
Yes, I know. The question was: do they have those patented software
within the same repo as all the other software or do they have an
extra repo for that.
--
wobo
-
*Main* - Officially supported
Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 09:51 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/8 andre999 and...@laposte.net:
By presenting a special set of repositories for patent-affected software, we
could be seen as justifying these patent sharks.
In their minds, why else would be accommodate them ?
On 8 December 2010 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they
don't include any patented software in their official repos at all,
not even mp3 playback is possible in a
Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti:
2010/12/8 andre999 and...@laposte.net:
Ok, I think, how many other distros have such repositories. Â According
to
comments on the list : none.
Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because
they do not distribute such software at all,
In
Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti:
2010/12/8 Daniel Kreuter daniel.kreute...@googlemail.com:
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
molc...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because
they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does
Ahmad Samir kirjoitti:
Debian has a non-US repo... etc
There hasn't been a non-US repo in Debian releases in years. It existed
due to cryptographic regulations in the US, IIRC.
--
Anssi Hannula
On 12/8/2010 5:47 AM, Anssi Hannula wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath kirjoitti:
2010/12/8 andre999and...@laposte.net:
Ok, I think, how many other distros have such repositories. Â According
to
comments on the list : none.
Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because
they do
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 09:35 -0700, Nex6 wrote:
Fedora does not have such software.
I personally would follow the fedora model.
Fedora is same as Mandriva and Suse. See Livna and Packman
respectively.
herman her...@aeronetworks.ca schrieb am 2010-12-08
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 09:35 -0700, Nex6 wrote:
I personally would follow the fedora model.
Fedora is same as Mandriva and Suse. See Livna and Packman
respectively.
We are no company that has to be concerned with selling its product in some
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:28 -0700, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
So, we either abandon the mirrorlist approach
or we have 2 mirrorlists (one with and one without tainted software)
and let the user decide which one he sets up on his system.
+1 for two mirror lists.
This is probably the simplest
2010/12/8 herman her...@aeronetworks.ca:
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:28 -0700, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
So, we either abandon the mirrorlist approach
or we have 2 mirrorlists (one with and one without tainted software)
and let the user decide which one he sets up on his system.
+1 for two mirror
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 8 December 2010 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/8 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
For Fedora, being the most legally-challenged distro around, they
don't include any patented software in their official repos at
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,
Another alternative that came to my mind would be challenge as patents
could be
2010/12/8 Mika Laitio lam...@pilppa.org
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,
Another alternative that came to
We have a proposal to add an optional set of respositories for packages
subject to software patents - or at least, seem to be at risk of civil
pursuits in some countries, based on supposed violation of software patents.
As we know, the suggested name for these repositories is tainted.
Some
On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ewil...@bex.net wrote:
With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted
with a patent, etc., How about non-GPL? I think that such a name should be
well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.comwrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because restricted is
used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in pay to use some
more stuff.
--
On 06.12.2010 14:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
mailto:ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because
Le lundi 06 décembre 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.comwrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because restricted is
used by
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in
a very
Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
this sound sane to no reuse
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative
meanings: paris.
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
Hoyt is obviously not a subscriber to The Reg :-)
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look like a nun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi
--
Hoyt
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look like a nun.
On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look
Op dinsdag 07 december 2010 00:06:06 schreef Anssi Hannula:
On 07.12.2010 00:30, Nex6 wrote:
On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 00:10 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues...
http://bikeshed.com/ ?
--
Michael Scherer
... a metaphor indicating that you
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 21:32:51 schreef andre999:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
On December 4, 2010 10:06:37 Anssi Hannula wrote:
On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
mailto:and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
mailto:and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is,
encumbered?
--
Erin
too difficult
I suppose that's why nobody liked
On 05.12.2010 21:47, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi
mailto:anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
Giving names we have to keep the structure in mind which was
developped during this thread.
Now we are talking about a name for that repo which never existed in
Mandriva, so Mandriva never had to worry about the correct naming. How
about abbreviations?
Thinking of PLF, MLF comes to mind but that
On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is,
encumbered?
--
Erin
too difficult
Op zondag 05 december 2010 21:50:00 schreef Erin Wilkins:
On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:39:08 -0600 (CST), Dale Huckeby
sp...@evansville.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few
words
that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult.
otoh,
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we need an unrelated word that has meaning to Mageia, but
infers uniqueness without being pejorative.
I suggest calling it the paris repository, a place for unique and
useful applications that cannot be
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a
few words
that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too
difficult.
otoh, there is also the fact that free or core don't really convey
the
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:02:21 -0500, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
i like speculative
That's not bad
I would prefer a very clear term, even if long, such as
possibly-patented.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/3 Johnj...@neodoc.biz:
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:33 AM, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Better than tainted :D
Tainted makes me chuckle -- crude anatomical reference.
--
Hoyt
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word tainted when it detects the nvidia
proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me
On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
how about gray or grey ?
No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word tainted when it detects the nvidia
proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
shock the first time I saw it :)).
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 18:58:15 schreef herman:
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
how about gray or grey ?
No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts...
For this, it is no problem, because they are both correct! :-P
On 01.12.2010 22:29, Anssi Hannula wrote:
On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[...]
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
Yes.
and for refernece: The suggested layout for is:
* core
* nonfree
* tainted
For the record, I'm not a big fan of
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading former Mandriva users, why
not special or extra?
I know there is the name extra for
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading former
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading
Op donderdag 02 december 2010 08:20:15 schreef andre999:
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not
about removing the distinction between supported packages and not.
Op donderdag 02 december 2010 18:23:35 schreef Leandro Dorileo:
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Wolfgang Bornath
molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything
On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[...]
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
Yes.
and for refernece: The suggested layout for is:
* core
* nonfree
* tainted
* debug_core
* debug_nonfree
* debug_tainted
Every media contains the same
Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999and...@laposte.net wrote:
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about
removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all
that clear to me at first.)
i do understand that you think other methods of
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about
removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all
that clear to me at first.)
I'll discuss further
I think this whole question is not done with an easy answer. It can
also not be ssen in a black/white mode. I see the clear insight of
Michael's suggestion which is a black/white point of view. Not
maintained? Kick it out (well, not out but into the ante-room). But
I also see the reality from the
On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
we wont use the name restricted as it was used in MDV
On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll
start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
depencies). When all of that is imported and
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
we wont
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed
out, this is a
In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are not
supported in reality,
or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in
contrib which are
perfectly supported, in cooker as in stable releases. You gave me examples.
However I
see very
Jerome Quelin skrev 30.11.2010 12:48:
On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll
start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
Balcaen John skrev 30.11.2010 12:50:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree,
Samuel Verschelde skrev 30.11.2010 13:04:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core,
Anne nicolas skrev 30.11.2010 13:15:
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlundt...@iki.fi:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as
Michael Scherer skrev 30.11.2010 14:23:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 07:50 -0300, Balcaen John a écrit :
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core,
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