Luca Berra a écrit :
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:46:21PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Thinking of PLF, MLF comes to mind but that abbreviation has another
well-known meaning. :) pisc (patented in some countries) is another
what i particulary like about the plf name is the liberation word,
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,
Another alternative that came to my mind would be challenge as patents
could be
2010/12/8 Mika Laitio lam...@pilppa.org
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,
Another alternative that came to
On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ewil...@bex.net wrote:
With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted
with a patent, etc., How about non-GPL? I think that such a name should be
well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.comwrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because restricted is
used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in pay to use some
more stuff.
--
On 06.12.2010 14:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
mailto:ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because
Le lundi 06 décembre 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.comwrote:
Because Ubuntu already has a repo called universal? that's a similar
reason to why it wasn't called restricted, because restricted is
used by
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in
a very
Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a
rather important portion of the users associate a word with something,
this sound sane to no reuse
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff:
Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative
meanings: paris.
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
Hoyt is obviously not a subscriber to The Reg :-)
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look like a nun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi
--
Hoyt
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look like a nun.
On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no negative meaning???
Paris Hilton anyone???
afaik any word has negative meaning...
Snooki makes her look
Op dinsdag 07 december 2010 00:06:06 schreef Anssi Hannula:
On 07.12.2010 00:30, Nex6 wrote:
On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
no
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 00:10 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues...
http://bikeshed.com/ ?
--
Michael Scherer
... a metaphor indicating that you
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 21:32:51 schreef andre999:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
On December 4, 2010 10:06:37 Anssi Hannula wrote:
On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
mailto:and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
mailto:and...@laposte.net wrote:
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is,
encumbered?
--
Erin
too difficult
I suppose that's why nobody liked
On 05.12.2010 21:47, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi
mailto:anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 and...@laposte.net
Giving names we have to keep the structure in mind which was
developped during this thread.
Now we are talking about a name for that repo which never existed in
Mandriva, so Mandriva never had to worry about the correct naming. How
about abbreviations?
Thinking of PLF, MLF comes to mind but that
On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is,
encumbered?
--
Erin
too difficult
Op zondag 05 december 2010 21:50:00 schreef Erin Wilkins:
On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins:
Since the packages in that repository are there because they're
(potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:39:08 -0600 (CST), Dale Huckeby
sp...@evansville.net wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few
words
that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult.
otoh,
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we need an unrelated word that has meaning to Mageia, but
infers uniqueness without being pejorative.
I suggest calling it the paris repository, a place for unique and
useful applications that cannot be
Dale Huckeby a écrit :
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a
few words
that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too
difficult.
otoh, there is also the fact that free or core don't really convey
the
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:02:21 -0500, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
i like speculative
That's not bad
I would prefer a very clear term, even if long, such as
possibly-patented.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/3 Johnj...@neodoc.biz:
'Grayzone' ?
Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone?
(SCNR!)
Hmm, foggy sounds nice :)
Or Foggy Bottom :)
Better than tainted :D
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:33 AM, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Better than tainted :D
Tainted makes me chuckle -- crude anatomical reference.
--
Hoyt
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
John a écrit :
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word tainted when it detects the nvidia
proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me
On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
how about gray or grey ?
No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
Maarten Vanraes wrote:
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
[...]
The kernel uses the word tainted when it detects the nvidia
proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
shock the first time I saw it :)).
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 18:58:15 schreef herman:
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
how about gray or grey ?
No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts...
For this, it is no problem, because they are both correct! :-P
On 01.12.2010 22:29, Anssi Hannula wrote:
On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[...]
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
Yes.
and for refernece: The suggested layout for is:
* core
* nonfree
* tainted
For the record, I'm not a big fan of
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading former Mandriva users, why
not special or extra?
I know there is the name extra for
Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading former
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything better either, so... :)
I agree, as restricted may be misleading
Op donderdag 02 december 2010 08:20:15 schreef andre999:
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not
about removing the distinction between supported packages and not.
Op donderdag 02 december 2010 18:23:35 schreef Leandro Dorileo:
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Wolfgang Bornath
molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of tainted name (too negative), but
I can't think of anything
On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[...]
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
Yes.
and for refernece: The suggested layout for is:
* core
* nonfree
* tainted
* debug_core
* debug_nonfree
* debug_tainted
Every media contains the same
Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999and...@laposte.net wrote:
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about
removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all
that clear to me at first.)
i do understand that you think other methods of
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999:
[...]
allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about
removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all
that clear to me at first.)
I'll discuss further
I think this whole question is not done with an easy answer. It can
also not be ssen in a black/white mode. I see the clear insight of
Michael's suggestion which is a black/white point of view. Not
maintained? Kick it out (well, not out but into the ante-room). But
I also see the reality from the
On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
we wont use the name restricted as it was used in MDV
On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll
start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
depencies). When all of that is imported and
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
we wont
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed
out, this is a
In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are not
supported in reality,
or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in
contrib which are
perfectly supported, in cooker as in stable releases. You gave me examples.
However I
see very
Jerome Quelin skrev 30.11.2010 12:48:
On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll
start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
Balcaen John skrev 30.11.2010 12:50:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core, debug_nonfree,
Samuel Verschelde skrev 30.11.2010 13:04:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
debug_core,
Anne nicolas skrev 30.11.2010 13:15:
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlundt...@iki.fi:
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders,
here is the idea:
For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as
Michael Scherer skrev 30.11.2010 14:23:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 07:50 -0300, Balcaen John a écrit :
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core,
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 13:29, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote:
What I'm saying is totally different :
In the first case :
- no one steps in to maintain it. We drop it.
In the second case :
- no one steps in to maintain it. Because we promised to support it, and
because there
2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
- only free/libre stuff as described by FSF / OSI
- must be selfcontained
* nonfree
- disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if
it detects hw
Le 30/11/2010 11:37, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
I agree with this proposal.
Regards
Yann
On mardi 30 novembre 2010 at 11:37, Thomas Backlund wrote :
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
I agree.
--
Renaud Michel
Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:29:28 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are
not supported in reality,
or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in
contrib which are
perfectly supported, in
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:37:42 +0200, Thomas Backlund t...@iki.fi wrote:
Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
I also agree with this structure.
--
Sam Bailey
Cyprix Enterprises
Web: cyprix.com.au
Em: cyp...@cyprix.com.au
Mb: 0425 796 308
Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 12:04:49 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
founders, here is the idea:
We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 12:46:22, andre999 a écrit :
As already commented in previous posts, I would rather see this split
into 2 parts :
1) core = really core (or very useful) to a fully functional desktop or
server or developer system.
Examples include packages for the kernel, usual
Le samedi 27 novembre 2010 17:20:34, Jerome Quelin a écrit :
On 10/11/26 22:29 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
The core should be only maintained free/libre stuff so it's easy
to build a free/libre iso
extra is for those packages that no-one really maintain, but is
still used by
Le vendredi 26 novembre 2010 21:29:14, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
/backports_testing/ (disabled by default)
I've been waiting for this media for a long time, thumbs up !
Samuel
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
I can't agree with the mirrors are free to not mirror this media,
three reasons:
1) I don't see an easy and safe way for mirrors to exclude a media (a
directory + hdlist in
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
has a maintainer or not to make a distinction, but this is not sufficient.
A maintainer can be very active in cauldron but not care about maintaining
for
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
- only GPL stuff
- must be selfcontained
* nonfree
- disabled by
在 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:10:47 +0800, Jerome Quelin jque...@gmail.com寫道:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
- only GPL stuff
- must be selfcontained
* nonfree
- disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if
it detects hw
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
has a maintainer or not to make a distinction, but this is not sufficient.
A
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin jque...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
-
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
has a
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:02:36, nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
Indeed, however it helps showing that there's a set of packages which is
supported, and another one which is only on behalf of the maintainer. In a
community driven
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 15:24:04, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
- complexity over time of support because package move from main to
contribs and viceversa. Especially when
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:11:08, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 15:24:04, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
- complexity over time of support because
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
Same opinion here. This poorly written english sentence meant that,
independently of the mirror structure, I hope such a policy will be adopted.
What do you mean by 'This poorly written english sentence' ?
Is my english so bad ? :)
--
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
- complexity on the users system as they need to have twice the number
of media to cope
Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:18:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
Same opinion here. This poorly written english sentence meant that,
independently of the mirror structure, I hope such a policy will be
On lundi 29 novembre 2010 at 01:45, Olivier Thauvin wrote :
* Renaud MICHEL (r.h.michel+mag...@gmail.com) wrote:
On samedi 27 novembre 2010 at 00:02, Maarten Vanraes wrote :
If the files are identical, they can be hard linked, and then the
mirrors updates them with rsync -aH.
(by the
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
Indeed, however it helps showing that there's a set of packages which is
supported, and another one which is only on behalf of the maintainer. In a
community driven distribution, this distinction may remains valid :
Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
- complexity on the users system as they need to have
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The idea is not that the Mageia community would not support extra
packages.
It is just that if an extra package breaks, it shouldn't break a user's
system.
But if a core package breaks, we would expect that it would break many
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.11.2010 10:03:
2010/11/27 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
IMHO, the mirrorlist in its current status should be dropped
altogether... it's only good if the user has good
Le 29/11/2010 15:44, Dexter Morgan a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin jque...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
They focus on the issue in question, to varying degrees of success.
(Reminds me of end-user support. Much of the time they don't recognize the
real problem.)
My point is, significant bugs in core packages should be fixed in a timely
manner, as much as
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 23:20 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The fact that Mandriva didn't control what went into main is a large part
of their problem.
Mandriva controled what went into main.
Not really, or not much.
( or at least, it was not
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an
obvious sandbox aren't clear.
I think misc already explained it clearly in this mail :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
I can't agree with the mirrors are free to not mirror this media,
three reasons:
1) I don't see an
Yann Ciret a écrit :
Le 29/11/2010 15:44, Dexter Morgan a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelinjque...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
-
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
I can't agree with the mirrors are free to not mirror this
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 18:29 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
So either the package is supported, and we keep, or it is not, and then
why should we keep it ?
Because it works, at least partially.
Having it work
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension
packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird received security
update,
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:56 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Isn't choice part of
what Linux is supposed to be about ?
No.
That's freedom of the source code, not choice. Reread either Gnu
manifesto, or Linus Torvalds biography.
And so, you are free to use the source code for what you want,
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:06 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an
obvious sandbox aren't clear.
I think misc already explained it clearly in
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension
packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird
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