Ahmad Samir a écrit :
On 16 October 2010 17:31, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote:
Le 2010-10-16 02:56, Luca Berra a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
remove basic/novice from the sentence
2010/10/20 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com:
Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
so that the user
is not forced to register?
OMG! I would have gathered at least 10 UUIDs over the last 2 years.
Depends on what piece of hardware you want to attach the UUID to :)
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Robert Xu wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:25, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com
wrote:
2010/10/20 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com:
Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
so that the user
is not forced to register?
OMG! I would
2010/10/20 Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com:
Maybe one month every year you refresh the UUIDs by having the
software send their UUID?
That way any inactive UUIDs could be deleted.
Sorry, but still this seems like a monster. BTW: how do you want to
deal with non-Mageia and non-Linux machines from
2010/10/20 Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com:
2010/10/20 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
Only if the default option is NOT enabled and
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 17:30, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
2010/10/20 Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com:
2010/10/20 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
other tracking method) have absolutely no
Tux99 a écrit :
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00
I've seen, too many times, trigger-happy packagers backporting
packages that're not maintained by them (so they know it less than
those package maintainer(s)), breaking those packages and annoying the
maintainers of
Fernando Parra a écrit :
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:44:29 +0200
Michael Scherermisc-qfijtcdg...@public.gmane.org wrote:
I do not think I am ok to be counted in the we you use. I do not think
I want, nor that I will even try to get a considerable number of new
users, I want a sustainable
On 14 October 2010 19:05, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with
DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my
installation but at least one other Mandriva user).
I would put this down to the fact that currently
On 15 October 2010 13:42, Buchan Milne bgmi...@multilinks.com wrote:
Now, maybe the user interface needs to be improved. For example, maybe there
should be no dropdown box, but instead when searching for a package by name,
it should show you all the versions:
Am 18.10.2010 02:56, schrieb Fernando Parra:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:01:27 -0400
andréandr55-qfkgk+z4sorr7s880jo...@public.gmane.org wrote:
It's not just creating the update that costs, also due to these changing
dependancies, dealing with bugs on various installations of the release
in
Le 2010-10-18 04:18, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
Here's the result of the German community.
After the initial opening of the poll there was a discussion with more
than 40 postings, still going on. Involved were people actively using
ArchLinux, members of our packaging team and interested users.
Le 2010-10-18 04:26, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2010/10/18 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com:
Thanks Michael for the note. This is why I am in favour of streamlining the
reporting of bugs from the user side and not the dev. Devs should always
count on seeing bugs reported on bugzilla and nothing
Florian Hubold wrote:
Hate to do that, but could we please focus on the topic of the thread
and not dream about the next best thing in operating systems?
We should focus on getting our base cleaned up, and to get a stable
and good quality release out the door, This should be our top priority,
2010/10/18 Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+mag...@gmail.com:
On lundi 18 octobre 2010 at 03:04, Fernando Parra wrote :
There are a biological law: Grow up in population or die, as simple as
that.
Here is another one: if you outgrow your natural resources, you'll starve.
(and humanity should be very
-Message d'origine-
De : mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-
boun...@mageia.org] De la part de Wolfgang Bornath
Envoyé : 18 octobre 2010 16:52
À : Mageia development mailing-list
Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
2010/10/18 Renaud MICHEL
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:15:30 -0400, Fernando Parra gato2...@yahoo.com.mx
wrote:
Well the ball is on the air. The Mageia Server should be a Rolling Ligth
distro, yes or no?
The problem I've experienced with the current Mandriva release cycle
is with one friend, who has a slow system. It
On 17 October 2010 09:56, David W. Hodgins davidwhodg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:15:30 -0400, Fernando Parra gato2...@yahoo.com.mx
wrote:
Well the ball is on the air. The Mageia Server should be a Rolling Ligth
distro, yes or no?
The problem I've experienced with the
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, David W. Hodgins wrote:
I know enough c, perl, python, etc., that I can sometimes figure out
where the problem is, (when submitting bug reports), but I don't know
enough to put together rpm packages, or where to start, to learn how
to do so.
Making rpm packages is
Le 2010-10-17 04:34, Tux99 a écrit :
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, David W. Hodgins wrote:
I know enough c, perl, python, etc., that I can sometimes figure out
where the problem is, (when submitting bug reports), but I don't know
enough to put together rpm packages, or where to start, to learn how
to
Hi. If you interested, Mandriva Turkiye Community poll ended about
release cycle. Here are the results:
*Exactly as Mandriva, 6 months release cycle 18.2%
*Like OpenSuse, 8-9 months release cycle 13.6%
*One release a year 31.8%
* 6 months cycle for core, rolling release model other for
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:01:27 -0400
andré andr55-qfkgk+z4sorr7s880jo...@public.gmane.org wrote:
With Mandriva and thus initially Mageia, often one only has to select
the new version, and the old version is automatically removed.
Otherwise the old version can be removed later. So we
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:44:29 +0200
Michael Scherer misc-qfijtcdg...@public.gmane.org wrote:
I do not think I am ok to be counted in the we you use. I do not think
I want, nor that I will even try to get a considerable number of new
users, I want a sustainable number of users that can be
Le 2010-10-17 19:44, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 à 22:00 -0500, Fernando Parra a écrit :
I am just coming back from my weekend, so I may have missed lots of
discussion, but there is 2 points in your mail that I really wanted to
address.
The basic/novice user doesn't
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
remove basic/novice from the sentence and i will agree ;)
doesn't request anything to some like a bugzilla,
but give him a forum and he probably will
If you show on his screen some
Le 2010-10-16 02:56, Luca Berra a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
remove basic/novice from the sentence and i will agree ;)
doesn't request anything to some like a bugzilla,
but give him a forum and he
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:52:27 +0200
Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+mageia-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
Hello
On samedi 16 octobre 2010 at 05:00, Fernando Parra wrote :
On Friday, 15 October 2010 03:48:56 Fernando Parra wrote:
So, we must dumb down everything, and not provide
On 16 October 2010 17:31, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
Le 2010-10-16 02:56, Luca Berra a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
remove basic/novice from the sentence and i will agree ;)
doesn't request
Le 2010-10-16 12:36, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
But generally reporting bugs by proxy is always a bad idea, unless the
guy who'll play middle-man can reproduce the exact same bug on his own
box. You see, triage team / package maintainer / dev will ask for info
about the bug, more than once
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:52, Renaud MICHEL
r.h.michel+mag...@gmail.comr.h.michel%2bmag...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it may work if those bug friends (don't remember who proposed
that
name) only take for themselves the simple, one package, software only bugs,
and suggest to the reporter to
Le 2010-10-16 15:52, Renaud MICHEL a écrit :
On samedi 16 octobre 2010 at 21:29, Marc Paré wrote :
There would be no middle man. Once the middle-man could replicate the
bug and verify the bug with other users, then the middle-man would
submit to bugzilla. That's it. From there on, the
Le 2010-10-16 16:08, Frederic Janssens a écrit :
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:52, Renaud MICHEL
r.h.michel+mag...@gmail.com
mailto:r.h.michel%2bmag...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it may work if those bug friends (don't remember who
proposed that
name) only take for themselves the
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:41:31AM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:56:06 +0200
Luca Berra bluca-1wc7or56...@public.gmane.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
remove basic/novice from the
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:29, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
Le 2010-10-16 12:36, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
It's much better to help the user formulate a useful bug report,
that's easier / more productive for all involved parties.
There would be no middle man. Once the middle-man could
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:28:32 +0200
Luca Berra bluca-1wc7or56...@public.gmane.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:41:31AM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:56:06 +0200
Luca Berra bluca-1wc7or56oao-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at
Le 2010-10-16 18:35, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:29, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote:
Le 2010-10-16 12:36, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
It's much better to help the user formulate a useful bug report,
that's easier / more productive for all involved parties.
There would
On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 23:11 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
[...]
I think what this all boils down to is, does the Mageia project want to
actively seek out bugs and encourage its users to report bugs? If Mageia
is interested in seriously quashing bugs, then the reporting process has
to be
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:42:03 +0100
Buchan Milne bgmilne-tobu8pog+uhswrhanm7...@public.gmane.org wrote:
Hi Buchan.
First, I believe this is the beginning of a long term friendship, I really love
your answers, Is very clear for myself we aren't agree in a lot of points, but
both are looking the
Marc Paré wrote:
Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups
doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great
data for the devs to consider.
Marc
This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva community BlogDrake:
Quote: Buchan Milne wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:27
What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory?
-The fact that not everything is available as a backport?
Yes, more packages should be available
(and as future packager I will do my part to make that happen)
Le 2010-10-14 09:08, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit :
Marc Paré wrote:
Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups
doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great
data for the devs to consider.
Marc
This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva
Just to add to my last post:
It would be useful if users could disable specifc packages from being
updated via the update GUI.
What I mean is basically when new updates get presented (which would
include new backports) the user could untick specific packages (as is
possible now) but also have a
Quote: marc wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:49
Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish
Blogdrake is to like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and
backports at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release
cycle with no changes.
Wouldn't it
On 14 October 2010 15:41, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: Buchan Milne wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:27
What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory?
-The fact that not everything is available as a backport?
Yes, more packages should be available
(and
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00
I've seen, too many times, trigger-happy packagers backporting
packages that're not maintained by them (so they know it less than
those package maintainer(s)), breaking those packages and annoying the
maintainers of said packages. It's
On 14 October 2010 16:14, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00
[]
Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at
all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users
or power users who want the
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:21
Then you're not talking about new users any more...
I don't know what you mean by new users, but I was talking about 'normal'
user by which I mean general users without technical background (like my
wife for example :) ), people that have
Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be
it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as
defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional,
frequent, expert) for evaluation?
Romain
Le 2010-10-14 09:57, Tux99 a écrit :
Quote: marc wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:49
Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish
Blogdrake is to like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and
backports at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release
cycle
Le 2010-10-14 09:53, Tux99 a écrit :
Just to add to my last post:
It would be useful if users could disable specifc packages from being
updated via the update GUI.
What I mean is basically when new updates get presented (which would
include new backports) the user could untick specific
Tux99 wrote:
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00
Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at
all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users
or power users who want the latest versions of apps.
That's exactly the crucial bit
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that
the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who
DON'T want them can still always disable them.
If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be
Tux99 wrote:
I guess the old rule of polls applies:
depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of
the options you can hugely influence the results...
This is so true.
I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (warning! statistics nerd alert
activated!) and again
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that
the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who
DON'T want them can still always disable them.
If backports
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that
the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who
DON'T want them can
Le 2010-10-14 10:56, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit :
Tux99 wrote:
I guess the old rule of polls applies:
depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of
the options you can hugely influence the results...
This is so true.
I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight
Le 2010-10-14 10:50, nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that
the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who
DON'T want them can still always disable them.
If backports
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities?
It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate
projects such as polls, marketing, sharing of resource materials agreemtns
etc.
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:33:31 +0200, Tux99 wrote:
I have been using backports on all my PCs and enabled them on all PCs of
friends whom I installed Mandriva and so far I have yet to see a single
breakage caused by backports.
Having never had Backports enabled, I was encouraged by postings
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote:
However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with
DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my
installation but at least one other Mandriva user).
I would put this down to the fact that currently in Mandriva
Le 2010-10-14 12:42, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote:
Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities?
It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate
projects such as polls,
Le 2010-10-14 13:05, Tux99 a écrit :
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote:
However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with
DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my
installation but at least one other Mandriva user).
I would put this down to the
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:29:28 +0200
Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com wrote:
Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent
proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done,
as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware,
new, occasional, frequent,
Fernando Parra wrote:
(Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If,
for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after
Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the
time,)
That's very clear, these users are trying to say:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:20:40 -0400
Sinner from the Prairy sinnerbofh-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org
wrote:
Fernando Parra wrote:
(Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If,
for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after
Firefox
Le 2010-10-14 00:20, Tux99 a écrit :
Quote: Fernando Parra wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 05:59
Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
We should publicize more Backports.
And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a
solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't
The Solution.
2010/10/6 vfmBOFH vfmb...@gmail.com
2010/10/1 atilla ontas tarakbu...@gmail.com
I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every
6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should
make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't
be
2010/10/11 vfmBOFH vfmb...@gmail.com:
I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the
community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe with
similar polls in other local communities?
Will do in MandrivaUser.de because I also think it is important to
2010/10/11 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com
2010/10/11 vfmBOFH vfmb...@gmail.com:
I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the
community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe
with
similar polls in other local communities?
Will do
2010/10/11 vfmBOFH vfmb...@gmail.com:
BTW, some of blogdrake's voters is a former user / admin who was MIA for
three years or so. Don't underestimate the interest generated by mageia's
project :)
Ha, After the news about Mageia I received a mail from somebody I did
not meet/read für 10 years!
Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
[...]
With a release every 6/8/12 months you can shout it out into the
world: The NEW Mageia is out which always catches not only those
who were waiting but also curious people who never heard about Mageia.
You don't have that kind
2010/10/12 Balcaen John balcaen.j...@gmail.com:
Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
[...]
You can always release a new install cd every 6/8/12 months even if you're
using a « rolling distro » .
Yes, but it will never be as exciting and will not get the same
attention
Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit :
The fact that almost no-one on this list seems to have known about backports
at all doesn't mean that the backports feature is not useful, it may be that
it wasn't accessible enough to end users.
+1
Now, maybe the user interface
Le 2010-10-07 04:55, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 07:34, Gustavo Giampaoli
giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com wrote:
Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one
LTS with three years of support?
Regular releases every six months with 18 month support.
But
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 02:34 -0300, Gustavo Giampaoli a écrit :
Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one
LTS with three years of support?
Regular releases every six months with 18 month support.
But we could include this kind of LTS with 36 month.
Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 12:10:11, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:36, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote:
Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit :
Maybe a rating/voting/popularity system should be available, however in the
past people had
Le 2010-10-07 07:23, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 13:00:21, Marc Paré a écrit :
I would challenge people to find a regular user who knew what the
Backport option was for, you may find some but clearly, they would be
in the minority. Otherwise, it would have been used quite
To make it clearer, if the user wants to install oo-base at a later
point with the currend Mdv model he would have to download 20MB if there
has been no security updates since release, or 70MB if there has been a
security update in the meantime.
FYI, there is currently a discussion on the
It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone
willing to push an argument in this debate:
http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/
Really excellent article. I enjoyed reading it because it's based on
people-from-real-life.
Even when I'm not
On 7 October 2010 15:08, Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com wrote:
It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone
willing to push an argument in this debate:
http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/
Really excellent article. I
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
Besides absolute lack of knowledge about backports, I still have failed to
read an answer how backports are not filling the needs for bleeding-edge
users.
It's the focus that changes, currently with Mandriva backports are a
barely known
IMHO that if we want that backports be more popular, we must stop
promoting like for advanced users:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Advanced_use:_Backports_and_candidate_updates
Quote:
The testing and backports repositories for each section will be
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote:
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
Besides absolute lack of knowledge about backports, I still have failed to
read an answer how backports are not filling the needs for bleeding-edge
users.
It's the focus that changes, currently with
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 10:22 -0400, Greg Harris a écrit :
You hit the point precisely. Mandriva's backports was a terrific idea
that does not succeed because (1) it is disabled by default and the
means to enable it as an update medium are made obscure by intention and
design and (2)
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 11:14 -0400, Greg Harris a écrit :
I certainly agree, and mean no disrespect to you and other maintainers
who generously contribute their time and energy. But the Mandriva
implementation of backports is not a solution for those who want a
continuously updated
On 6 October 2010 05:02, Fernando Parra gato2...@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:47:20 +0200
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3891-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99
tux99-mga-ju+53dptyrfafugrpc6...@public.gmane.org wrote:
Personally I think
Le 6 octobre 2010 08:15, Raphaël Jadot ashledom...@hodo.fr a écrit :
2010/10/6 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org:
I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see
that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the sysadmin
is competent enough.
However many
Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Wed, 06 October 2010 05:07
Are you serious? Upgrading a server every 18 months?
I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see
that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the
sysadmin
is competent enough.
Well,
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:33:02 +0200,
Eatdirt dirt...@gmail.com a écrit :
what do you think about no release cycle at all?
Someone has answered this question yet.
--
Sandro Cazzaniga
Bashburn hacker (http://bashburn.dose.se/)
Sympa hacker (http://www.sympa.org/)
Mageia Contributor
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:35:45 +0200,
Eatdirt dirt...@gmail.com a écrit :
I missed your post and spam the thread with the same suggestion... :-/
no soucy ;)
--
Sandro Cazzaniga
Bashburn hacker (http://bashburn.dose.se/)
Sympa hacker (http://www.sympa.org/)
Mageia Contributor
On 6 October 2010 15:06, Buchan Milne bgmi...@multilinks.com wrote:
If you disagree, run cooker for 6 months with 'urpmi --auto-update' in
cron.daily. If you never have *any* issues, without any breakage at all, I
might believe you.
Hell, I did for 10.5 years.
There weren't that much breakage
On 06/10/10 15:09, Buchan Milne wrote:
And if you need one specific new package, you will need to upgrade the majority
of your distribution ...
And it is only useful to 1% of the global population.
We don't want the entire Mageia userbase to be almost identical to the number
of people who
2010/10/6 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
I can say
for sure that the majority of 'normal' (non-geeks) users FEAR AND EVEN
HATE distro upgrades, they just want to be able to install new versions of
apps, not risky complete distro upgrades.
I agree, even though all good reasons have been given
Raphaël Jadot wrote:
2010/10/6 Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanraes-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org:
This is non-sensical; i will never choose Centos for a server, if i was
to have a bug, where would i go with it???
http://www.centos.org/ click on support :)
If you need
Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 16:55 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :
Well, I don't think we will ever come to an agreement especially as it
seems that former mdv devs here seem to be very reluctant to change
anything about the release cycle.
Well, the first step to a agreement is to explain clearly
* Buchan Milne (bgmi...@multilinks.com) wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:39:09 Tux99 wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:
3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good
judgement and not include major incompatible version changes
You are aware that this
Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 18:42 +0200, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long
life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period.
(X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers
oriented or
* R James (upsn...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 18:42 +0200, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
What is the typical deployment period for servers?
At the company where I work, they're leased for 3 years.
If
On mercredi 06 octobre 2010 at 17:02, Eatdirt wrote :
If all pro around are against this, I think we should at least be able
to upgrade a version directly from urpmi without the boot iso CD story!
That has been possible for some years already, and I have done it a few
times, although I think
Personally as a future Mageia packager I will try to concentrate on making
backports (apart from maintaining some specific packages) so in a way I
will be helping to make Mageia in practice a sort of 'light' rolling
distro as suggested by a few people in this thread.
But I just want to say that
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