Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

2010-06-15 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 14 June 2010 19:21:04 +0200 Florian Fuchs f...@state-of-mind.de wrote: Hi all, we have set up a test server for the development of the Mailman 3.0 UI. As coding on the UI progresses we will update it regularly so everybody can see what's being done. For now it contains a simple,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-15 Thread Cristóbal Palmer
Before getting into this (long) reply, I want to re-emphasize that what I want is (1) the ability to plug in existing CAPTCHA systems (notably reCAPTCHA) quickly and easily, and change simple config settings to enable those CAPTCHAs for parts of the interface that have been tested and confirmed to

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

2010-06-15 Thread Cristóbal Palmer
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 04:31:30PM +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: The server's address is http://mailman.state-of-mind.de That's so much nicer than Mailman2! Agreed! An earlier reply containing an ascii mockup got rejected, so here is an image of what I was trying to convey:

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

2010-06-15 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk: --On 14 June 2010 19:21:04 +0200 Florian Fuchs f...@state-of-mind.de wrote: Hi all, we have set up a test server for the development of the Mailman 3.0 UI. As coding on the UI progresses we will update it regularly so everybody can see what's being

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Test Server

2010-06-15 Thread Terri Oda
Cristóbal Palmer wrote: Basically I want to make sure that the subscribe box always shows up above the fold on the listinfo page. I get a fair number of tickets because things are not above the fold. I like the idea in principle, but I don't think it'll work because there's a *lot* of stuff

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 13, 2010, at 05:16 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: If there's some other non-CAPTCHA approach (or set of approaches) that we could use to help reduce spammy signups, then I'm all for it. I guess my hope is that we'd have something in place that reduces the signups themselves rather than

Re: [Mailman-Developers] REST API docs?

2010-06-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 13, 2010, at 09:42 PM, Fil wrote: I've been looking around for a description of the REST API in Mailman3. Fact is I couldn't wait more and started a REST API for Mailman2. So, I would like it to be as close as possible to the final stuff. The documentation on

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Cristóbal Palmer writes: While I could in theory maintain a patch, I have a lot of machines to herd, and I am unlikely to customize anything unless I must do so in order to meet a requirement. This is a straw man in the context of the Mailman pipelined architecture and the CheeseShop.

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-15 Thread Cristóbal Palmer
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:44:03PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: Given that all signups require an email validation step, and that we'll rate-limit that to prevent using signups as a spam vector, what additional protection does captcha provide? Are you saying that no scripts/bots can

Re: [Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

2010-06-15 Thread Cristóbal Palmer
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 01:03:20PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: The question is what are they protecting? My claim is that if you're protecting economic resources (bandwidth, accurate counts of real users) they may be more or less useful. If it's a security issue -- including ways of