, the email address foo
AT sussex.ac.uk might not belong to username foo.
Oh, and we probably need to support multiple local domains. Particularly
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Hi,
That’s interesting. Is it a script that can be called from the command line? If
so, maybe Exim could call it directly, instead of using an LMTP callout.
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save a lot of work for list owners.
On Mar 18, 2014, at 02:58 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote:
That page suggests that Mailman 3 won’t be able to reject, at LMTP time, a
message based on the sender/recipient information. That means that the MTA
has to accept a message for delivery, even if Mailman
alternatively tell them that web access is unavailable during a
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I think Mailman supports SMTP/LMTP calls to discover whether a sender is
permitted to post to a list, doesn't it?
MM3's LMTP server currently only does a limited sanity check
requirements for spam filtering. However, the solution is probably to provide
hooks into Spamassassin, or another existing spam solution, and to provide ways
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of (@,.) to (.).
If '@' can't be mapped to itself, or another unused character, then it needs to
be mapped to a rarely used string, or it needs to be mapped to a configurable
string. I suppose the default could be '.' if the string were configurable.
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There is an IPreferences interface which describes the kind of things that
are preferences. Members, users, and addresses all can have a pointer to
a preferences record. There are also some
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. But, for each message, it should be quick
to pop up a few lines of the message body. Perhaps a disclosure triangle, or
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I think that an option to display the first n 5 or so unquoted lines of the
body would be useful. Perhaps with a checkbox to toggle that option on the
displayed page. Perhaps per thread. Keep it simple, though.
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On 5 Jan 2012, at 23:35, Monica Chew wrote:
Hi Ian,
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk wrote:
…
...
Now, if Gmail also prominently exposed the list-unsubscribe header, then the
EU regulations on marketing messages would be satisfied. In my view, hiding
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-Keywords.
Fine, but not hashtag, since there will, presumably, be no requirement to use
the hash character. Hashtags were invented for inline use in Twitter. These
aren't hashtags.
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That seems sensible to me.
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, No forwarding address
X.2.1 Mailbox disabled, not accepting messages
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Bouncing certainly is suboptimal, since it may create collateral spam. Better
to reject the message at SMTP time with a 5xx response than to bounce.
That's an interesting take on it. The LMTP
by putting the list on
emergency moderation, and changing the message, is it not? Or something similar?
If that is possible, then what's required is simply a web interface to simplify
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a user could go to one site to manage all their Mailman3 mailing list
subscriptions. With some kind of future standard, perhaps other MLMs could
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There are icons adjacent to each of the options.
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with digest messages? Is each digested message packaged
sufficiently such that a DKIM message that it carries will not be broken?
Is that possible? Does the idea of packaging single messages (like a digest
of one) have any merit?
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we could at least understand their requirements.
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Tearing down left over layers:
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Test-modules with import problems:
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the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)
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it. Same policies apply though.
Doesn't that depend on what's signed, as well as what the list is going to
alter? Agreed, though, this is an implementation detail.
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. It's the harvesters,
which probably don't honour robots.txt. If you prevent Google from indexing
the archive, then you just hide the problem.
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10% effective, then
it's worth doing in my view.
Further, Rich offers no evidence of significant harm done by obfuscation.
Finally, there are other privacy concerns than spam harvesting that may
also be mitigated by address obfuscation.
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We discovered that advertising PIPELINING causes the test smtp client to
fail, but we've not even thought about how to fix that - LMTP clients
which are re-implementations of SMTP clients might just live with the
fact
is probably the easiest way to create a
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None seem to be listed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman
I've
: database is locked
And, it stays locked like that for eternity, or until I remove
var/data/mailman.db-journal (whichever comes sooner ;)
The question is, why would the lmtp server need a write lock on the
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My name is William Mead, I'm a new Mailman developer and currently as
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We're up and running now, and working on the LMTP qrunner, which is based
on a subclass
or moderator.
list management:
#5 disable list features (eg, to prevent the owner from changing
footer content).
#6 manage a list - with full feature set
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of waiting process in queue?
Probably not without queueing lots of mail to third party domains. You'd
want to be very careful not to spam people.
Thanks
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A better solution might be to configure Mailman to use more queue runners.
We saw a massive performance increase when we did that, because a single
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As far as DKIM is concerned, I think Mailman already can re-sign
messages.
I don't remember the details, though. Anyway
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a subset of RCPTs.
Yes, that much is true in theory. In practice, it's even worse than that.
Exim really has accepted the email before it attempts delivery. That's
going to be true for any MTA that has a queueing mechanism (qmail, for
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So you mean that most SMTPd's will have accepted
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of these things, you're screwed. But, the reasons that SPF and DKIM aren't
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SPF may sometimes
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/events/winter2005/programme.shtml
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The inevitable ...considered harmful article:
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outside of
their own domains, all email providers offer message submission on port
587, all message submissions are autheticated, and mail forwarders accept
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--On 26 March 2008 12:14:58 -0700 Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Sorry, as stated your proposal sounds either naive or insane. No
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Please, think harder
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No, that's not true. I have about 10,000 users here.
Interesting. I bet we're talking hundreds of thousands of users, just
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usability improvements.
But, to see all of those things, we can't go trying to squeeze big changes
into small updates. And I don't think that insulting volunteer developers
is going to prove very productive.
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by drowning
them in backscatter!
(3) It's probably OK to bounce a message to a list member - perhaps if the
message broke some list policy on message content.
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MXes to handle primary crashes or
overloads.
Yes, but they need to have equal access to user databases.
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think the LMTP code could be backported to 2.2, the rule
chains stuff cannot.
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--On 10 March 2008 10:46:39 -0700 Kenneth Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On Monday, March 10, 2008 10:19 AM + Ian Eiloart
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Yep, it would be the easiest way to integrate acceptance testing with
Exim. It's common for sites to put Exim installations in front
), and do SMTP call forwards to test
deliverability.
Thanks!
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--On 6 March 2008 19:43:04 + Nigel Metheringham
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On 6 Mar 2008, at 17:51, Ian Eiloart wrote:
So, a 1-click unsub is a link in the message footer which takes you
to a
page that says something like You've unsubscribed from our list,
sorry to
see you go?
So
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On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote:
The one reason that I'm looking for an alternative to Mailman is the
lack
of adequate integration with MTAs, which means
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solutions, but
holding for moderation by default would be a good intermediate step.
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