I installed mailman into redhat linux 9 using up2date and follwed all final
installation instructions including restart apache, create site password, set
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST, create lists, start mailman daemon, add cron
job... I can load every page from a browser, can create
those of us who do email for a living feel it's not a rationalization,
and not ridiculous. But those that argue against it do.
Sorry, but the fact that you don't agree with it doesn't change my mind.
On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:55 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
This is totally ridiculous.
The document you
On 5 Feb 2004, at 07:41, Li, LC wrote:
I installed mailman
What version of Mailman? Which MTA are you running?
into redhat linux 9 using up2date and follwed all final installation
instructions including restart apache, create site password, set
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST, create
On 5 Feb 2004, at 08:46, Li, LC wrote:
Hi Richard,
I just installed Mailman today from RedHat.
Do you mean you installed from RPM, if so the MM version is likely to
be in the RPM name.
I think it's the latest.
Rarely, if ever, is the latest stable version of MM available as an RH
RPM, it
* Mark Dadgar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-04 22:55:55 -0800]:
This is totally ridiculous.
The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we
shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.
The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.
I hate
On Don, 2004-02-05 at 07:55, Mark Dadgar wrote:
On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
[...]
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
This is totally ridiculous.
No. Reply-To set to the list is evil (and for God's sake actually almost
no list I know of uses it).
The
In many parts of the web interface I am getting the same mailman bug:
It started when confirming a subscription through the online interface:
File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 312, in
setMemberOption
self.__mlist.user_options[memberkey] |= flag
TypeError:
Is there a way to move a moderated message to a new list and have it
still look like it came from the original sender?
The scenario is this:
- I have a list [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is designated for
community wide announcements only and it is moderated
- I have another list
On 5 Feb 2004 at 0:23, Dan Langille wrote:
Hi folks.
I'm running mailman-2.1.3 with postfix-2.0.16,1 on FreeBSD 4.9.
Mailman was installed a few months ago. A few days ago, mail stopped
being delivered. Viewing /var/log/maillog, I can see the mail is
coming in, but never being
How do I add a member to a list using 'withlist'? The AddMember function
takes a 'userdesc' argument which is described as an instance but
nowhere can I find *what* it is an instance of.
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At 02:43 PM 2/4/2004, Sean Butler wrote:
Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:
Feb 4 14:37:10 east postfix/local[77072]: 0EC763E4B:
to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command
died with status 2: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church.
At 11:10 AM 2/5/2004, Sean Butler wrote:
And now, I've created a list and have sent mail to it, but nothing seems
to happen.
Logs show:
Feb 5 10:57:28 east postfix/qmgr[91727]: 3F5FA3E53:
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=536, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 5 10:57:29 east postfix/local[12138]:
Hi,
I was wondering if there is any way to append a subscriber's email address
in the footer of a message so I/they can easily identify what email address
the subscription is under.
best,
richard hoy
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my server where i get my resellar package is running 2.1.3 and to my understanding of
the help files, i should be able to have personalized to: fields so hotmail doens't
junk them! but i can't find any options on how to do this! is there any help i can
get to have this problem resolved
Hi,
I would like to know if it is possible to download your e-mailadresses
from your mailmanserver. I can not find that information in the help
files
kind regards
Erik Jan Bruggink
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On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:01 AM, John Buttery wrote:
If the whole concept of information being irretrievably destroyed by
clobbering Reply-To: willy-nilly isn't a compelling reason to you, I'm
not sure what else to say.
This issue goes away if we could stop trying to use reply-to for too
many
On 5 Feb 2004 at 15:48, Hans Middelhoek wrote:
Hello,
We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it.
But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our
customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:
Hello,
We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it.
But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our
customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:
The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has 1
On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
My lists use it. And my users prefer it - I know, I've asked.
self-selected audiences. I have asked users what they think, and gotten
one answer, and I've done formal surveys soliciting feedback from the
entire list, and gotten very different
One of my lists is suddenly producing duplicate admin messages. I get
two copies of each message. I've never seen this before I upgraded to
RHEL 3.1 a week or so ago. Only one list is affected.
I did a quick archive search and found nothing. There's nothing in the
FAQ, either.
Ideas?
-
Hi There,
I have just installed Mailman on my Suse 8 Box.
Everything is working fine, but the aliases.
I cant' use the file /etc/aliases for defining the Mailman-Aliases (cause I'm using
Confixx-Pro for Administrating my Homepages and when a new eMailadresse is created he
writes a new
Hi,
I want export some mailman lists.
How can I do it? Is it possible by web interface?
Thank you.
Sergio
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Mailman FAQ:
From: Thomas Hochstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml
A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
They haven't a Reply to all button.
The members are newbies in
Hello,
I'm having a problem using Virtual hosts. If I set
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = yes I don't see any lists on my listinfo or
listadmin pages. http://lists.mcleancrew.org/mailman/admin . If I set this
to no I get all my lists to show up just fine. I guess I need to know how
to set it up so
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Jason Taylor wrote:
my server where i get my resellar package is running 2.1.3 and to
my understanding of the help files, i should be able to have
personalized to: fields so hotmail doens't junk them! but i
can't find any options on how to do
I asked
I have never understood why this poster is recommended, nor why it
is the default. I've been on a lot of lists, on a lot of systems, and
have never been on one that defaults to sending a response only to the
author of the post I am replying to.
and Thomas Hochstein replied
I've recently created several mailing lists, all of which are hosted by
sitecontrol.hostway.com and which are managed via a web browser which
in my instance is Safari on a Macintosh.
What I would like to be able to do is to extract the entirety of the
membership list so that it can be revised
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hackerscene
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Verzonden: donderdag 5 februari 2004 19:34
Aan: Oliver Methfessel
Onderwerp: RE:
Paul H Byerly wrote:
Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when reply to
author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think that is the
case anymore.
Hi Paul,
I feel that it really depends on the nature of the list - the purpose,
the participants, the number of
First of all, I want to make sure I understand the 'nodupes' feature. I
take it to mean that if this is enabled for a subscriber and the subscriber
is subscribed to multiple lists and a message is posted to more than one of
those lists, he will receive only one copy.
Assuming that is true, how
Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when reply
to author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think that is
the case anymore.
I feel that it really depends on the nature of the list - the purpose,
the participants, the number of participants.
and the religious war
Hello,
I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
with almost 20,000 members.
Any special considerations for lists this large?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks,
Hunter
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At 10:55 PM -0800 2004/02/04, Mark Dadgar wrote:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
This is totally ridiculous.
Actually, no.
The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why
we shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.
The document
At 9:06 AM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:
My lists use it. And my users prefer it - I know, I've asked.
Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be
private replies being blasted to the whole list?
Hell, I've been doing this sort of stuff for fifteen years, and
I've
At 8:02 PM +0200 2004/02/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
They haven't a Reply to all button.
The members are newbies in computers - what I should do,
refuse them in medical help until they buy own computer
(a year
At 12:27 PM -0600 2004/02/05, Paul H Byerly wrote:
Times have changed - lists are not long used only by folks who
know how to build a computer from scratch and program it themselves.
Indeed, therein lies the problem. The kinds of silly problems
that lead to the original page were things that
On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
Additionally, a lot of folks don't want a private copy plus one to
the list - and done as the author suggests there is no quick and
easy way to send to the list only.
Related to what you reference below, if you want to reply to just the
list,
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:24, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
Hello,
I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
with almost 20,000 members.
Any special considerations for lists this large?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks,
Hunter
Depending on your Disk
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be
private replies being blasted to the whole list?
The reality of the modern, public internet is that the opposite is far
more common -- right or wrong, in most common,
On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Woodward wrote:
We now have upwards of 400 public lists on our mailman server, and I
have
heard complaints over this matter from every single one of them.
be wary of the squeaky wheel speaking for the entire wagon.
just list this discussion.
you may be
From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
They haven't a Reply to all button.
It is far easier to add information (e.g., add another recipient
address) than it is to recreate information that was destroyed.
I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but none
of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91
installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is
eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix
problem and to
At 12:24 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
with almost 20,000 members.
Any special considerations for lists this large?
See Rob Kolstad's paper Tuning Sendmail for Large Mailing Lists at
At 1:39 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:
You just told me in a previous email that some people cannot edit
the To: line on a reply. So which is it?
On the software I've seen, you can't change the To: line in a
reply, but you can add other addresses in the Cc: line.
Then we have at
At 4:28 PM -0500 2004/02/05, Jon Carnes wrote:
Depending on your Disk sub-system, Processor, and amount of RAM, 20k
members may be not be a lot for Mailman to handle.
Yes. Keep in mind that we've had people complain about
performance with Mailman on some systems with 50k users, and yet
At 12:15 AM +0200 2004/02/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is far easier to add information (e.g., add another recipient
address) than it is to recreate information that was destroyed.
I can recall not one letter directly from a person's MUA to me with
Reply-To: differing from From:.
On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
You just told me in a previous email that some people cannot edit
the To: line on a reply. So which is it?
On the software I've seen, you can't change the To: line in a reply,
but you can add other addresses in the Cc: line.
Yes, but in the text
Mark Dadgar schrieb:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
This is totally ridiculous.
Is it?
The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we
shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.
The question is: *is* it the right thing?
On
On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
And I had much correspondence
since
1996: on most lists I use digest mode, counter of sent by me letters
in my MUA shows currently 54532, I receive about 4.3 times more
letters than I send (i.e. I received
On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
Indeed, he has. He doesn't like to brag about it, but he does run
some of the largest known Mailman mailing lists, and his systems are
on the same scale as the Kolstad Chalup papers that I have
previously mentioned on this mailing list. Chuq
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
[...]
If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as
a disk. You can copy
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 23:09, Warren Woodward wrote:
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be
private replies being blasted to the whole list?
The reality of the modern, public internet is that the
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:06, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
[...]
If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
load) then you might want to consider
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:45:16PM -0800, Mark Dadgar wrote:
On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
I can go back through the 90's, into the mid-80's if length of time
is the important criteria here. I have multiple gigabytes of e-mail
on my current system, and untold
Hello to all,
As suggested on a pior post, Ive contacted my webhost technical support and I can
now customize in the non-digest pages the personalization. ( I do not have the access
needed to perform the correction ). Thanks for the help specially Tod.
However Im still having a problem with
As referred on my last message,
Thank´s
Cumprimentos, Paulo Dinis
Técnico Superior de HST
Ergonomista
Consultor/Formador de HST
Auditor OSHAS 18001 / NP 4397
Ergolist List Owner
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From: Paulo Dinis
At 2:43 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:
Yes, but in the text to which I was referring (that you snipped in
your reply above), you stated that it's easy enough to solve Reply
All problem of ending up with the original sender and the list
address in the To: line by just deleting the
At 2:45 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:
LOL! You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!
My wife is a general counsel of a company with hundreds of
billions of euros of daily turnover, and over ten trillions of euros
of assets under management. It used to be owned by one of the
At 3:23 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Will Yardley wrote:
Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare...
I am a SAGE Level IV system administrator, with fifteen years of
experience, and I've helped build some of the biggest mail systems on
the planet -- and various other related projects.
At 12:06 AM +0100 2004/02/06, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
Which raises the question if simply adding the RAM to the system thus
increasing the disk cache (and not dedicated to just one part of the app
and - given the above description - wasting 50% of it almost completely,
not considering
On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
LOL! You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!
My wife is a general counsel of a company with hundreds of billions
of euros of daily turnover, and over ten trillions of euros of assets
under management. It used to be owned by one of the
My apologies for bringing it up at all!!
I think the issue for the developers is theory vs. reality. What is
the desired behaviour for the majority of new Mailman lists? Should not
that be the default, with appropriate explanations?
Personally I am very happy with Mailman, and
On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:09 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter what
the size of the list is, PROVIDED that you can tailer the
software appropriately to your intended use. You are
advocating making that impossible.
No, I'm not. I am not advocating
On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare...
I am a SAGE Level IV system administrator, with fifteen years of
experience, and I've helped build some of the biggest mail systems on
the planet -- and various other related projects.
On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:
My apologies for bringing it up at all!!
Agreed! My apologies to everyone for posting a cranky note last night
and really getting the ball rolling.
Personally I am very happy with Mailman, and I find most of the
settings easy to
At 5:02 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:
Cool! I'm a Level 10 Paladin with 115 hit points!
If you want to talk about DD, I do have a number of characters I
could discuss. Which version would you prefer to start with? The
original boxed edition, ADD, 2nd edition ADD, or something
hello sirs,
how can i add an entry whenever genaliases is executed it can add a field below with
the unsub field..
in 2.1.3 i manually add it on the aliases file and upon issuing genaliases, but upon
upgrading to 2.1.4
whenever i execute the genaliases script.. all manually added line on the
On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
One of my lists is suddenly producing duplicate admin messages. I get
two copies of each message. I've never seen this before I upgraded to
RHEL 3.1 a week or so ago. Only one list is affected.
So I figured this out. My address was listed as
I just had a client who had set:
QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0)
This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the
processors. That was the problem. Mailman was eating up way too much
processor.
Five qrunners were running continuously whether they had files to
process or not... it
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 21:23, Jon Carnes wrote:
I just had a client who had set:
QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0)
This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the
processors. That was the problem. Mailman was eating up way too much
processor.
Five qrunners were running
Background...
RedHat 9, kernel 2.4.20-27.9
Mailman 2.1.1
Exim 4.3
I've googled for the answer to this and I've been lurking on the list for a while but
haven't seen/found anyone having the same problem. If I just missed something, feel
free to flame but please point me to the
On 5 Feb 2004 at 9:06, Mark Dadgar wrote:
Yeah, it's so damned hard to edit the To: line, isn't it? Wow. I
don't know how people ever manage to send email in the first place.
Yep it is once you get inside of some corporate mail systems. The
From line gets hosed, but the Reply-To doesn't get
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 09:48, Hans Middelhoek wrote:
Hello,
We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it.
But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our
customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:
Hey all,
Currently I've got mailman setup with virtual domains support, it works
by having a sub-domain assigned to mailman - lists (ex.
lists.somewhere.net, lists.otherplace.org, etc.). This is all fine and
good, except that all of the domains share the same site administrator
password.
Is
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