Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: The DMARC WG advocates putting list-post in From in place of a DMARC p=reject address. I advocate accepting their advice for stock Mailman, and avoiding other non-conforming workarounds until the market demands them. If it

Re: [Mailman-Users] MM-2.1.15: Small bug regarding the request forgery check

2014-05-07 Thread Fil
Hi everyone, I had this issue with MM 2.1.16 and the listname/members?start=(email) URL: it would display the message Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check) at the top of the page. Dug in my archives and found this reference: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Odhiambo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Peter Shute
On 7 May 2014, at 4:07 pm, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Peter Shute writes: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: The DMARC WG advocates putting list-post in From in place of a DMARC p=reject address. I advocate accepting their advice for stock Mailman, and avoiding other

Re: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway

2014-05-07 Thread jdd
Le 06/05/2014 20:30, Mark Sapiro a écrit : was written immediately after that message was queued by gate_news in Mailman's incoming queue, so it was delivered to the list. I don't understand what happened really, because the messages where *archived* but not délivered to the list!! as the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: Thanks, I understand now. If the result of this is that replies go to everyone on the list, this is something we don't want for our list. Private replies becoming public means trouble, and we have enough of it already when people Reply All by accident. In that case,

Re: [Mailman-Users] new users added to custom MemberAdaptor don't get emails

2014-05-07 Thread Viktor
On 2014-05-03 23:55, Mark Sapiro wrote: I can't say more about what to do without actually seeing your MemberAdaptor, however you might look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558106 for an alternative. That was actually my starting point to develop my MemberAdapter. I did not use it

Re: [Mailman-Users] MM-2.1.15: Small bug regarding the request forgery check

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/06/2014 11:44 PM, Fil wrote: Hi everyone, I had this issue with MM 2.1.16 and the listname/members?start=(email) URL: it would display the message Error: The form lifetime has expired. (request forgery check) at the top of the page. And what generates that URL? Do you have a local

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Rob Lingelbach
On May 7, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: which leaves the Reply-To header as it finds it. Finally, set 'personalize' to 'Full Personalization' which puts the recipient in To. The first two are on the General Options page, the last on the Nondigest

Re: [Mailman-Users] new users added to custom MemberAdaptor don't get emails

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 07:15 AM, Viktor wrote: You are right, it is mailman 2.1.13-5, I am running a debian server. After upgrading to debian wheezy with mailman 2.1.15-1, the problem seems fixed. Good. P.S: It is not wise to register to a mailing list using the address of another mailing list.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rob Lingelbach writes: Is it possible the ‘personalize’ option moved elsewhere in 2.1.18-1? I’ve just updated to that version and don’t see it on the Nondigest Options page. Sorry, I haven't updated to 2.1.18-1 yet, I'm reading source and missed a crucial qualification at the top of the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Rob Lingelbach
On May 7, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Because personalization can consume a lot of resources, the site admin needs to enable personalization with OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION in mm_cfg.py, then it will show up on the admin site. Thanks. Impressive.

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-07 Thread Glenn Sieb
On 5/7/14, 12:08 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: What is the intent of the restriction? Are you trying to get the users to use reply to author by punishing them with a black hole if they don't, and then set Reply-To to list-post so that nobody ever gets a personal reply? Or is this intended

Re: [Mailman-Users] Q : Is there a possibility to localize / customize the standard Mailman lists home page / UI look ?

2014-05-07 Thread Jacques Setton
Mark Sapiro Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:22:28 -0700 On 04/30/2014 04:35 AM, Jacques Setton wrote: Currently, when choosing a specific local language (French in our case) for Mailman' lists user interface, I have noticed that the standard home page (for example the one depicted by

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Peter Shute
On 7 May 2014, at 11:59 pm, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Peter Shute writes: Thanks, I understand now. If the result of this is that replies go to everyone on the list, this is something we don't want for our list. Private replies becoming public means trouble, and we

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

2014-05-07 Thread Jon 1234
From: t...@yingtong.co.uk Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 19:46:03 +0100 I have it working with Fudforum and although the fudforum integration was (to me) poorly documented I got it working and has been stable / rock solid for a couple of years now. It would be nice to get things like membership

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 12:45 PM, Glenn Sieb wrote: It's ridiculous. And I want to know why, exactly, Yahoo Groups isn't being affected by this. They're not doing the via YahooGroup bit, or wrapping their mails. :-\ I'm betting they're not even honoring the DMARC from other providers. Yahoo groups

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 01:34 PM, Peter Shute wrote: Am I correct in believing that there is now an option to have these modified behaviours only apply to messages from p=reject senders? Yes. At least in the latest release (2.1.18-1), there is dmarc_moderation_action which selects an action to apply

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: We are trying to talk with DMARC proponents, You won't be successful until those people themselves figure out what they are doing (and then they agree to quit using the Internet as a testbed) :-) Honestly, they (one of the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 03:41 PM, Jon 1234 wrote: I’d be very grateful for comments on the Mailman withlist scripts I’ve used: (a) will they still work when I upgrade to 2.1.18-1? and (b) is there a better way of doing it? Thanks in advance, and feel free to ask for further information! #!

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mirror mailing list with web forum

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 04:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On the other hand, it is a bit of overkill to do these as withlist scripts because of the withlist setup and takedown. You could, e.g., do something like #! /path/to/bin/python import sys import paths from Mailman import MailList from

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Peter Shute
Mark Sapiro wrote: Am I correct in believing that there is now an option to have these modified behaviours only apply to messages from p=reject senders? Yes. At least in the latest release (2.1.18-1), there is dmarc_moderation_action which selects an action to apply only to

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Glenn Sieb writes: What my list owners want out of my lists, and what rules they decide on for their lists, is not my business. By extension, it is not yours. If you just want to vent, please say so. I thought you were asking for help. If you want help, then the questions I asked are

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Popovitch writes: On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: We are trying to talk with DMARC proponents, You won't be successful until those people themselves figure out what they are doing That's true, but those folks (or, more accurately, their bosses)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: So does this mean that any solution is going to be a choice between ease of replying to the list and ease of accidental replying to the list? Yes, and that's an unsolvable problem. Some replies should be public, some should be private, and only the user can know which

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: If it means that Reply vs Reply All work differently for list messages from different domains, It does. will it only lead to users becoming hopelessly confused? Is there anyone who's already using this who could report on the reactions from users? Good question.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Keith Bierman
My experience is that for most lists, the members are chronically confused about nearly everything having to do with addressing. Since very few list members are going to be subscribed from different ISPs at the same time (and those are apt to be the most expert) I don't expect this change (when I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Conrad G T Yoder
What Keith said. Either users are curious about this and will take the time to understand, or they throw up their hands and “Computers!” and they will do the minimum to get things working, which is how it was before. My hosting provider, Dreamhost, just upgraded from 2.1.14 to 2.1.17 mere

Re: [Mailman-Users] Add PayPal to DNs publishing DMARC p=reject

2014-05-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/07/2014 05:41 PM, Peter Shute wrote: If it means that Reply vs Reply All work differently for list messages from different domains, will it only lead to users becoming hopelessly confused? Is there anyone who's already using this who could report on the reactions from users? It