[Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Sascha Rissel
Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I wondered whether I can upgrade my Mailman

[Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Sascha Rissel writes: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I wondered

[Mailman-Users] mailman-AttachmentMove: completely remove moved attachment?

2014-05-15 Thread Sylvain Viart
Hi, What'd be the trouble if I completely remove attachment from the message? First I've copied the behavior of the Handler Scrubber.py and ThunderBird filelink module. It wipes the attachment but sill send a fake one. Which looks like: --020101070601020108020001

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Larry Finch
On May 14, 2014, at 11:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Peter Shute writes: When MS365 forwards the mails sent to the distribution list, should that make the DMARC authentication fail? I thought that only happened if you made changes like adding a prefix to the subject

Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 14 May 2014 21:40:12 +0200 Sascha Rissel mail...@rissel.it wrote: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about

Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 15 May 2014 16:32:30 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Sascha Rissel writes: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

2014-05-15 Thread Conrad G T Yoder
On May 15, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Conrad G T Yoder writes: Has anyone had to deal with bounces due to rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner? Are these true bounces (ie, permanent delivery failures) or just the temporary failures due to rate

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 06:46 AM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: It is a true bounce - mail is being rejected. The error message is phrased as a temporary failure, but the message is bounced at the SMTP transaction. “At some point,” they stop bouncing. RR won’t say when that happens.

[Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list broken in 2.1.18-1?

2014-05-15 Thread Gibbs, David
Folks: I was previously running 2.1.17 (after having not upgraded for a VERY long time). Everything is working just fine. I saw the new DMARC modifications and decided to upgrade to 2.1.18-1. The upgrade went fine ... but after running for a bit some of my users told me that when they

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-AttachmentMove: completely remove moved attachment?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 01:48 AM, Sylvain Viart wrote: What'd be the trouble if I completely remove attachment from the message? None if you do it correctly. Assuming msg is a multipart message object with 3 subparts and you want to delete the second of the 3 parts. parts = msg.get_payload() # parts

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Algier
On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Peter Shute writes: When MS365 forwards the mails sent to the distribution list, should that make the DMARC authentication fail? I thought that only happened if you made changes like adding a prefix to the subject line like Mailman does.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Larry Finch
On May 15, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Gary Algier g...@ulticom.com wrote: On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I then sent an email to the list and to my work sendmail address. It was delivered to both work addresses and the iCloud address. Gmail put it in my Spam folder with the

Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list broken in 2.1.18-1?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 07:39 AM, Gibbs, David wrote: The upgrade went fine ... but after running for a bit some of my users told me that when they replied to a list message it was going to the author of the message they are replying to instead of the list. The Reply-to header was *NOT* present in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Algier
On 05/15/14 11:15, Larry Finch wrote: On May 15, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Gary Algier g...@ulticom.com wrote: On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I then sent an email to the list and to my work sendmail address. It was delivered to both work addresses and the iCloud address. Gmail put

[Mailman-Users] Postings being discarded due to DKIM failures?

2014-05-15 Thread Robert Heller
A list member recently tried to post a message to a list and the message was discarded for no *appearent* reason. The only clue is that for some reason the message is failing the DKIM check (DKIM=fail). I am using Mailman 2.1.16 on CentOS 5 (python-2.4.3-56.el5, httpd-2.2.3-85.el5.centos,

Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list broken in 2.1.18-1?

2014-05-15 Thread Gibbs, David
On 5/15/2014 10:11 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 05/15/2014 07:39 AM, Gibbs, David wrote: The upgrade went fine ... but after running for a bit some of my users told me that when they replied to a list message it was going to the author of the message they are replying to instead of the list.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Barry S. Finkel
On 5/14/2014 2:40 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I wondered

Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Terry Earley
Barry, It took me a while to determine what to do, but after I had built and tested the package, I had no problems building packages for subsequent Mailman releases. IIRC, the last Mailman for which I built a package was 2.1.14. I do not know if any changes since then would require changes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?

2014-05-15 Thread Bruce Harrison
I'd be interested as well. Bruce Harrison UT Martin -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm@python.org] On Behalf Of Terry Earley Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:40 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer

Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings being discarded due to DKIM failures?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 08:43 AM, Robert Heller wrote: A list member recently tried to post a message to a list and the message was discarded for no *appearent* reason. The only clue is that for some reason the message is failing the DKIM check (DKIM=fail). I am using Mailman 2.1.16 on CentOS 5

Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list broken in 2.1.18-1?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 08:58 AM, Gibbs, David wrote: You can see the headers from a test message I sent when tracking down the problem here: http://code.midrange.com/ab8c5f0363.html It appears there are two incomplete sets of headers there. Lines 1-22 with some of the headers (Received: headers at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings being discarded due to DKIM failures?

2014-05-15 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 15 May 2014 17:14:38 -0700 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 05/15/2014 08:43 AM, Robert Heller wrote: A list member recently tried to post a message to a list and the message was discarded for no *appearent* reason. The only clue is that for some reason the message is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

2014-05-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Conrad G T Yoder writes: Are these true bounces (ie, permanent delivery failures) or just the temporary failures due to rate limiting, causing delays of many hours or days in delivery? It is a true bounce - mail is being rejected. The error message is phrased as a temporary

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Matthew Needham
On May 14, 2014, at 22:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.orgmailto:step...@xemacs.org wrote: If distribution lists are pure forwards, MS365 will be OK. But I find it hard to believe that that level of functionality is popular with users -- there's a reason why all popular MLMs

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Mailman broke!

2014-05-15 Thread Jan Steinman
From: Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net On 05/14/2014 04:26 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: I'm using the Mailman and postfix that came bundled with MacOS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) on a Mac Mini Server. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD. Yes, I know you probably can't get help from Apple, but

Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with rate limiting from Roadrunner/Time Warner

2014-05-15 Thread Conrad G T Yoder
On May 15, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Conrad G T Yoder writes: Are these true bounces (ie, permanent delivery failures) or just the temporary failures due to rate limiting, causing delays of many hours or days in delivery? It is a true bounce - mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings being discarded due to DKIM failures?

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 05:38 PM, Robert Heller wrote: It wasn't any of these. I believe I have figured out what happened. The poster did something 'bad': instead of creating a fresh message he located an old message with a return address of the list and did a reply and then edited *some* of the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings being discarded due to DKIM failures?

2014-05-15 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 15 May 2014 18:36:05 -0700 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 05/15/2014 05:38 PM, Robert Heller wrote: It wasn't any of these. I believe I have figured out what happened. The poster did something 'bad': instead of creating a fresh message he located an old message with

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 08:35 AM, Gary Algier wrote: However, the mailing list software will use an envelope address from the list so SPF should not fail. SPF won't fail, but for DMARC purposes, the domain of the Envelope sender that passes SPF will not align with the From: domain, so the fact that