Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread jdd
Le 20/03/2015 08:16, Peter Shute a écrit : Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any text? I've never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind of basic task would be easier than on an iPhone. Perhaps not. selecting old text to trim it. May be I have too

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Peter Shute
On 20 Mar 2015, at 6:20 pm, jdd j...@dodin.org wrote: Le 20/03/2015 08:16, Peter Shute a écrit : Getting off the subject, do you mean selecting quoted text, or any text? I've never used an Android device, and I assumed that this kind of basic task would be easier than on an iPhone.

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread jdd
Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching the surface. smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for deletion is nearly impossible :-(( jdd --

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Peter Shute
On 20 Mar 2015, at 6:05 pm, jdd j...@dodin.org wrote: Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching the surface. smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for deletion is nearly impossible :-((

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lucio Chiappetti
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, Andrew Stuart wrote: When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the ???right??? way to do it? Not sure if there is a right way for everybody. Definitely there is a way I like it to happen and ways which I find extremely annoying. Should I be deleting

[Mailman-Users] Duplicate message

2015-03-20 Thread len ward
Hi Every time I send a message, or anyone for that matter, a duplicate message is received. The avoid duplicate button is off. Can you help please? Regards Len -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate message

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 02:59 AM, len ward wrote: Hi Every time I send a message, or anyone for that matter, a duplicate message is received. The avoid duplicate button is off. Can you help please? If avoid duplicates is Off, you will receive duplicates if you are a direct recipient of the message.

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Richard Damon
On 3/20/15 9:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply to List option in addition

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:07 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: I'm sure I'm proudly in the minority, but I use Claws Mail almost exclusively and it has very good reply-to-list support. Sounds like Thunderbird's 'Smart Reply' button, which I really like, but don't use much because I can't place it

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 06:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply to List option in

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 09:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply to List option in addition to a simple reply, which generally goes

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Sent from the Dehut/Haisley iPad email househ...@fmp.com On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Lindsay Haisley writes: As far as editing, top posting, bottom posting, etc. it's just a matter of using good sense. This list strongly prefers

[Mailman-Users] reject notice to non-member

2015-03-20 Thread Danil Smirnov
Hello! I've set generic_nonmember_action to Hold and nonmember_rejection_notice to my reject notice. But when I reject message from admindb page, I get general message with not mine but standard reason: --- The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: Your message was

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2015 10:03 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 03/20/2015 06:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Prefixing

2015-03-20 Thread A.K. Eyma
Thanks, Richard and Mark, for responses. Richard wrote: I suspect that it isn't that the list added the name after the Re:, but that the MUA left it there and added the Re: first, and the list saw that the tag was already in the message and left it there. This keeps the subject tidy. **I

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-20 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/2015 11:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, but if the post was sent twice to each list, the Received: headers of the two posts you received must differ in detail. I copied the View-Message Source information in two text files and compared them

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2015 1:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: I don't know of anybody who prefers bottom-posting (and it's a bad idea to use that term as I've seen newbies instructed to bottom-post do exactly that, leaving 50 lines of original text and adding two lines at the bottom).

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply to List option in addition to a simple reply, which generally

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Matthew Needham
On Mar 20, 2015, at 03:23 AM, Peter Shute psh...@nuw.org.au wrote: If you're referring to the problem of getting the selection boundaries in exactly the right spot, I'm well familiar with that. So easy to get them within one or two characters, but requires excessive concentration and

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list / Re:

2015-03-20 Thread A.K. Eyma
While in the topic of replying, why does mailman put the Re: before the [listname]? Or rather inserts the list name after the Re: ? (For you send it out as Re: The right way) Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list It likely is my odd taste, and perhaps

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 20, 2015, at 09:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: I'd really like to know which email user agents really do this. In my experience, none of the ones used by 99+% of the worlds population actually use do this. I'm sure I'm proudly in the minority, but I use Claws Mail almost exclusively and it has

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list / Re:

2015-03-20 Thread Richard Damon
On 3/20/15 8:27 AM, A.K. Eyma wrote: Having all mail of a list come in with [listname] first in each subject line is more tidy. In that way you would differentiate at one glance in your inbox between Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way for responses that have been sent offlist to you and

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2015 9:58 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: On Mar 20, 2015, at 09:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: I'd really like to know which email user agents really do this. In my experience, none of the ones used by 99+% of the worlds population actually use do this. I'm sure I'm proudly in

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 07:32 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: On 03/19/2015 11:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, but if the post was sent twice to each list, the Received: headers of the two posts you received must differ in detail. I copied the View-Message Source information in two text files and compared

Re: [Mailman-Users] reject notice to non-member

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 07:08 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: I've set generic_nonmember_action to Hold and nonmember_rejection_notice to my reject notice. But when I reject message from admindb page, I get general message with not mine but standard reason: ... Is this a bug? You can consider that

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2015 10:27 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: My MUA of choice is Evolution, formerly from Ximian but now a gnome GPL project. It has this feature, as does Thunderbird, which is fairly popular. I was under the impression that Outlook and/or Outlook Express had it too, but I'm

Re: [Mailman-Users] reject notice to non-member

2015-03-20 Thread Danil Smirnov
2015-03-20 16:46 GMT+02:00 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net: You can consider that it's a bug if you wish and report it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+filebug, but it is the intentional behavior. Okay I see Mark. But there is no any other way to include reason of rejecting to notice.

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:49 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Ummm... this is not what you said initially. You said In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply to List

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-20 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is somewhere between your mail client and Postfix on the Mailman server. It's not Mailman. Are you certain you didn't just send the message twice? I'm very sure because in the outbox it appears only ones. And I copied the headers again, just to

[Mailman-Users] CC pruning: does it work?

2015-03-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: There is one case with Mailman lists where [to vs. cc] matters, at least in MM 2.1, but I think MM 3 too. If a list member has 'avoid dups' set and that member is a Cc: addressee of a post, that member will not receive the post from the list AND that member's

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lindsay Haisley writes: I never quite understood all the fuss about top posting. Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB disks.[1] The reason behind quoting in the first place is to provide context for a reply, but some MUAs make it very difficult to not top

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
jdd writes: Le 20/03/2015 01:45, Mark Sapiro a écrit : This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching the surface. smartphones makes things horrible, on android, selecting text for deletion is nearly impossible :-(( This is true. On many lists I

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/19/2015 10:39 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Andrew Stuart writes: and does it matter what other addresses go into to and cc fields. It doesn't matter for mechanical purposes. To, CC, and BCC are all routed the same way (using RCPT TO aka envelope recipient at the SMTP level),

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Prefixing - was: The right way to reply to a mailing list / Re:

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 05:27 AM, A.K. Eyma wrote: While in the topic of replying, why does mailman put the Re: before the [listname]? Or rather inserts the list name after the Re: ? (For you send it out as Re: The right way) Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2015 11:09 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:49 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: You said In many mail user agents, when you press the Reply button the program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being replied to came from a list and offer a Reply

Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 14:37 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Only superficially. The point is that both of these MUAs are list-aware and offer options appropriately. No, the point is you apparently can't simply acknowledge that you mis-spoke/made a mistake. Tanstaafl, it it will make you happy,

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-20 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/2015 05:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 03/20/2015 08:42 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: Mar 18 22:16:43 hostname postfix/smtpd[9815]: 6D42445B: client=localhost[::1] Mar 18 22:16:43 hostname postfix/cleanup[9818]: 6D42445B:

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 08:42 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: What are the rest of the postfix log messages from 'grep 6D42445B' and 'grep 4ACCAD07' of the log file? and here it comes... for grep 6D42445B: Mar 18 22:16:43 hostname postfix/smtpd[9815]: 6D42445B: client=localhost[::1] Mar 18

Re: [Mailman-Users] reject notice to non-member

2015-03-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/20/2015 07:55 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: Probably it would be better to add feature request to add filed for custom rejecting reason on Admindb page than consider this as a bug?... If you go to the detail of a message in the admindb interface (click the [n] link or the 'view all