for analyzing mail issues is swaks.
Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at
http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/?
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to post -- that would be throwing
the baby out with the bathwater.
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solutions that are complex
from Day One.
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not in the letter of the law. Which is probably why they
are so very violently opposed to having any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the
company.
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an alternative site. Of course, you could claim that was a disk space issue,
but then they're no longer shipping the OS on physical media.
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, it does make me wonder how
something like Mailman could be re-written to work effectively on something
like iOS.
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and they don't support their customers themselves. Regretfully, the Server
team at Apple is well known for ignoring feedback and input from anyone else,
especially anyone else in the company.
But as I said, this is an old bone of contention.
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systems that we've tried to use over the years.
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That would cause the message-id to be unique as well as the message body, and
wouldn't require any new code to be developed.
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list,
especially as it relates to mm3.
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on it, I'll worry about that then.
On that subject, I agree with you.
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implementation of their mail system relative to AOL. Of course, that's not
saying much….
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has probably already done this. You just need to find it and install it.
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was running that shop, they did a really good job. But
things have gone way down hill ever since.
I have long since gone past the point where I consider them to be a complete
write-off, despite the fact that even my own wife still uses AOL.
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There are people who are already doing this sort of thing with Mailman today,
but it requires a bit of hacking on the code to put all the pieces together.
We do not (yet) have an out-of-the-box solution in this space, at least not
that I know of.
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works in this regard, we might break existing programs. If we don't
change the way Mailman works in this regard, people on the other end might not
understand what is really intended.
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want to keep the software usable for other people.
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that you freely admit that you are guilty of.
If you wish to persist in your spammy ways, then we can make sure that your
address gets unsubscribed from this list, and that your domain gets banned from
sending e-mail to python.org.
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admins are going to have to forgo putting footers on messages as they are being
passed through the system.
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this are as simple as a program reading the timezone
definition on startup, and then never reading it again. Have you tried
stopping and restarting Mailman, in order to get it (and the various Python
libraries we use) to read the updated timezone definition?
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library to do that, as opposed to doing
it internally.
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systems (such as AOL), a long-term member of the Mailman project,
and a member of the postmaster team for python.org where all the
official Mailman mailing lists are hosted -- using Mailman.
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On 08/15/2011 02:49 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
You're talking about inbound, and how you have outsourced many of these
kinds of checks to other boxes. That's fine as far as it goes, but I was
talking about *outbound*, from Mailman to the world of recipients.
You are likely to have a certain
queues in your MTA that may have different resource handling rules or
different retry algorithms, as compared to queues to external sites that
might be known for being troublesome.
We were doing this kind of thing at AOL back in the mid-90s, and this
has only gotten easier since.
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of RHEL to another.
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potentially be available to do remote consulting for this kind of stuff through
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Thanks Brad and Mark for your helpful and detailed replies.
I have reached a point where I have
of products and
services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the
retail/home user market.
But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look
towards solutions in this space.
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of situations, but that's about the best we can do.
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. Mark Sapiro has taken over maintenance
of that script, so please feel free to feed any changes back to him and he can
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them), then that would be likely to cause problems.
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can't figure out what it is
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a little Python script for that.
Much simpler solution here is to use the smtpsink program that Wietse
supplies as part of the test harness for postfix.
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. Regretfully, this is not well documented, but I
think there is one or two FAQ Wiki questions that discuss it.
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Unfortunately, I am not in a position to do this kind of consulting anymore.
I'll give advice for free, but that's the best I can do at the moment.
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of the information can be found. The key is knowing what you're looking for
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entirely missing the point. I don't expect anybody to
read FAQ 1.22 in advance of comitting a faux pas; this particular FAQ
is mostly for pointing to *afterward*.
Indeed. That is precisely the point.
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will also utilize this option.
I don't know of any way that MySQL would factor into this discussion. Can you
provide a reference?
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Joomla. That's the best integration I know of, although I'm
sure there are others.
I believe that something like this could work with phpbb2 but not the
current release. Can anyone help please ?
I'm not personally aware of anything, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't
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Brad Knowles wrote:
At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually
give you the support you require.
Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature?
I can see that it might be a useful
in this
world.
At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually
give you the support you require.
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for whatever MTA you're using, so that you get a better idea of
what's going on across the whole system.
I have not touched any such scripts in many, many years, but I'm sure there are
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a big difference.
Most of these topics are at least touched on in the FAQ Wiki and the fact that
the OP hasn't mentioned them tells me that they either didn't do their
homework, or they don't understand the concepts well enough to be able to do
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and discuss this subject with them. Hopefully, they would know enough about
both sides of the problem to be able to recommend a solution or patch for you.
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to be doing any benchmarking or load-testing, make sure
you read, understand, and follow all the various relevant FAQs in the
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down all your delivery to that site, for as
long as you have mail for that site.
But I would expect Ralf to know the answer to this question better than
I do -- after all, it has been a number of years since I wrote that, and
at my age, the memory starts to go.
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not a question I can answer.
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is for those cases where someone
running a list *does* want to force everyone to always reply to the
whole list and not privately reply back to someone. If you don't try to
force that behaviour, then you can mostly just not worry about this header.
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http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions and search
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and positive person now (after my
surgery for thyroid cancer), so I guess I need to change that. Maybe
once they finally start me on the synthetic thyroid replacement drugs,
and I feel like I've got some energy back.
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not going to squeeze any more blood out of that turnip.
But I would suggest that you familiarize yourself with these sections
to make sure that you're actually doing as much as you can.
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scanning system is also a good idea,
including lots of other reasons.
Good luck, and I hope that this works out for you.
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stuff discussed in the first
section of the FAQ, starting with FAQ 1.22 at http://wiki.list.org/x/PIA9.
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to speak up here or to contact you
directly.
If you want any more specific advice, please let me know.
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Relyer.
Looking at the code might give me an idea about how to start implementing
openID support fr the mailman setup I am running,
I really don't think so. They and you seem to have very different ideas
as to where the OpenID provider code should go.
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that are held for moderation, but there's no approve all messages
option.
You could always hack the source code yourself to add such a feature, if you
were so inclined.
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Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant) wrote:
Whence cometh the sudden flood of posts?
I have been remiss in my duties as moderator for this list, and today I
finally got the chance to try to catch up.
I'll try to stay more current in the future.
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time.
IMO, this may be a better question to ask on their mailing lists, or to
ask the people who maintain their mailing lists.
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to put
that into mm_cfg.py instead.
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, and you still
need some way to provide e-mail input and output to that system.
There are a few ways to solve these issues, but each has a different set
of trade-offs, etc
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what anyone else does with whatever they provide, nor can we write their
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by Mailman if there is a bounce,
and how many unique messages will be delivered, as opposed to how many
connections will be created to deliver the messages.
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rates to
remote sites at a lower level -- if anything, it's going to increase it.
This is a postfix problem. Find the sites that cause the problems, and set
up separate queues for them, with different parallelism and
re-queueing/re-try schedules.
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, if you generate your content in HTML, and
you do not have Mailman configured to strip or convert HTML, then that
will be passed through to the recipients.
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to upload
patches first to the tracker.
However, we do greatly appreciate your effort in producing these
patches, and this is a discussion that I think the developers would love
to continue to have with you. Thanks!
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for just the base install, as opposed to the full
everything-including-the-kitchen-sink install.
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this file, but perhaps your MTA does. I am glad
to hear that they were able to fix your problem for you.
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that tries to gather together any of the
early history of Mailman.
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to a different system where you can actually get the support
you should be getting.
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have to talk to the administrator of the fileserver to see if they will
change that for you.
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to have been on the postfix-users mailing list.
I have a great deal of respect for what Victor Duchovni has to say about
postfix, but so far as I know he is not a subscriber to this list, and I
don't recall seeing any such discussion recently on this list.
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, but you probably want to spend some time to
think everything all the way through before you go down this route.
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that, or a service provider who is willing and able to do all
these things for you -- and anyone running cPanel is highly unlikely to
fit into that picture.
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to those standards.
I can tell you right now that not all of those recipient servers will
act appropriately. You're going to have to decide how you're going to
handle that.
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might be available to you.
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Unfortunately, no. The best you could do would be to have the senders
configure their mail programs so that when they send official messages,
they can choose to send them from their official account.
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to yahoo.com, you can have
different queue retry rules. For example, you could retry them less
frequently, and hold them for shorter periods of time, or whatever it is
that the guys at yahoo want you to do.
There's lots of reasons to set up separate queues for large partner domains.
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transmitting to anywhere else.
Likewise, if you want to identify different classes of mail and have
them sent through different IP addresses, that should also be possible
-- so long as you can identify what is meant by different classes of mail.
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to the documentation that
discusses this subject.
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in this problem, but I won't clog up the list with it.
Feel free to send me a copy and I'll see if I can figure out what went
wrong. If I can't help you, then maybe Mark Sapiro can (since he's the
lead developer of the 2.1 and 2.2 branches of Mailman).
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and no one with real
expertise on Mailman wants to take it on.
I'd say that you have the power to make whatever changes you think
should be made, and if we don't like them then we can revert to earlier
versions. So, feel free to hack away!
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firewall involved?
Maybe the ISP is blocking inbound port 25 and/or 80/443?
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Barry Warsaw wrote:
Please note that our hosting provider will be conducting some schedule
maintenance on our wiki instance. Thus wiki.list.org will be
unavailable starting at 0900 UTC Saturday April 4, for a few hours.
So says the FLUFL, so shall it be.
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, the current
version was 2.1.5. I hope you mean that you're using 2.1.10 or
something like that, and not 2.1.0.
I'm sorry, I wish I could help with the actual problem, but this really
stuck out for me.
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I would be strongly opposed to doing any kind of upgrade that would
force that kind of behavior. And it would be a real shame if we
couldn't eat our own dogfood with regards to Mailman.
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additional information you want to track, you need to keep
this in a system that is outside of Mailman, and develop your own
methods to keep those two systems in sync.
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that into mailman. Where does Mailman save its lists? Any help in
scritping would be helpfull.
See FAQ 4.09 at http://wiki.list.org/x/z4A9.
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available (short of modifying
the code), and I didn't feel it was necessary.
But this concept really does make me cringe. I'd want to see it heavily
tested before released.
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LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at
http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks
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Brad Knowles wrote:
Longer answer: mailto:listname-requ...@domain.tld who password
Apparently this doesn't work with the site password
And it doesn't show anyone who has had their subscription hidden.
If you want a complete canonical list, the only way is via the command
line tool
questions (and their
answers) and put them in.
If there are any specific questions you can think of that should be there,
then please feel free to contribute them and provide the appropriate answers.
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Brad Knowles
b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out
LinkedIn Profile
Brad - can you check and fix the digest_footer on the mailman lists.
Fixed. Thanks!
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Brad Knowles
b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out
LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at
http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com
something about this in the FAQ
Wiki, but I don't remember exactly where.
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Brad Knowles
b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out
LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at
http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks
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