Sajan Parikh writes:
sendmail is still widely used, and if I were you, I'd just stick with
what works unless you have you a particular need that sendmail wasn't
filling.
+1 with caveat:
Exim and Postfix both have recipes for working with Mailman 3. It
seems likely to me that it won't
Gary Algier writes:
On 03/27/14 04:26, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Exim and Postfix both have recipes for working with Mailman 3. It
seems likely to me that it won't be hard to get Mailman 3 and
Sendmail to work and play well together -- but nobody has done it yet.
I have
Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
Cedric Knight writes:
Any more evidence? Do any standards help decide if Gmail or Mailman is
wrong?
Late-breaking news: apparently comment notification for Google Summer
of Code are ending up in some folder, not in Inbox in Gmail. Clearly
Google's bad
Cedric Knight writes:
Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org wrote on Wed Nov 20 2013:
Are most mailman hosts finding their mail in Gmail heading to the
Promotions tab or Forums optional tab?
I don't receive any Mailman mail at my Gmail address, so I can't say.
Recently I
Colin writes:
Three members left my mailing list over a year ago and they stopped getting
messages. Suddenly last week all 3 started getting emails again. Their email
addresses are not in the membership list. I have not made any changes to the
list.
Are they current messages? Mail can
Mark Sapiro writes:
text by default, you couldn't add it as an anchor tag. You would just
have to add something like
mailto:listname@my.domain?subject=subject of the message being read
and hope that the user's MUA would render that as a clickable link.
This still helps a lot
DongInn Kim writes:
Can anyone please help me to debug the syntax error in mm_cfg.py?
ompi_list = [ 'test-crest', 'osl-test' ]
if listname in ompi_list:
archive_url =
(http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/devel/%s/date.php; %
(time.strftime(%Y/%m)))
Tom Browder writes:
We really appreciate your efforts to test the betas of Mailman 3. But
please do be aware that although there are sites already successfully
using Mailman 3 in production, the development team doesn't recommend
use of any of the components (core, Postorius, HyperKitty) in
Mark Sapiro writes:
1. What is the definitive link for the MM 3 branch for wannabe users
(I haven't been able to find such on the wiki yet, but I know it's
there)?
I'm not sure what you're looking for, but maybe
Joe writes:
Since I am not an IT specialist I have to ask myself, why would he
feel so strongly about this ?
Just because. What more reason does anyone need?
I personally strongly disliked cPanel for a long time because they and
their customers (the host services, not the users) dumped
Peter Shute writes:
I don't have access to do that, and I think it's probably too
difficult for me anyway. I was hoping it was a configuration option
that I could ask the administrator to try. Maybe I'll just pray
that iOS 7.1 fixes it.
Unlikely. This feature is a *fix*.
The problem is
Jay Sekora writes:
It would be nice if either the admindb page for a list were
templatable, with the HTML template editable per-list, or it
included a custom-per-list HTML snippet at the top the way the
listinfo page does.
I *think* the latter is probably fairly easy for someone like
Mark J Bradakis writes:
You'd think that these lines in the config file would work like they
used to, but apparently not:
What version of Apache are you using?
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin/
I believe there's a FollowSymLinks option or something like that. Is
it
Oliver Niebuhr writes:
I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this Messages
directly - in one way or another.
That's easy enough to explain: Mailman was written in a age when
sysadmin == Mailman admin (and often, == list owner/admin/moderator)
was the primary use case. So, the
GoogleErsatz writes:
I am already doing this. Problem is: We are not sure if forwarding
moderated Messages to the private Mail Account of the List Admin is
in comply with our local and European Privacy Laws.
If it's not, give the list admin a dedicated mail account for such
mail. If
Rainer Hoerbe writes:
If one is using mailman in an environment that has some identity
management system, such as Kerberos, a SAML federation or OAUTH,
mailman should be integrated into such an single sign on system to
get rid of passwords.
Some work has been done on SSO (via Mozilla
Barry S. Finkel writes:
Is it too much to expect an OS vendor to keep packages current?
Yes, it is.
Both in practice (nobody actually manages it), and in principle (there
are very high costs to doing it and nobody's willing to pay them).
Even distros like RHEL can't afford to have everything
Barry S. Finkel writes:
When I was working as a systems programmer with an IBM mainframe,
Interesting anecdote, but it addresses the wrong end of the issue. We
already know that distros should keep their packages up to date. The
question is why that doesn't happen. This:
When I was
Barry S. Finkel writes:
I was using Ubuntu, and my management told me that I had to
install a package.
Aside from the fact that it made work for you, did you disagree with
that decision? I don't (although I don't practice what I preach, I
admit -- but I would if I was maintaining a Mailman
thufir writes:
Isn't there a different URL I can use instead?
Sure. Those URLs are chosen because they require minimal setup in
many webservers, but the base URLs are configurable.
You can use any URL you want, but (1) you need to teach your webserver
to invoke the CGI script (in Apache this
Joseph Brennan writes:
Why the tab?
I would suppose because it looks better in character-oriented display.
On most terminals, a tab will expand to 8 spaces, making the fact that
the header is folded very obvious. It won't hurt anything if you
change it to space. This isn't going to be a true
EyeLand writes:
Hello, when I send an email to my mailing list, the subscribers
receive my email with word into subject ***UNCHECKED***, how can I
deactivate that word? Thank you!
Mailman as distributed by this project doesn't do that. Assuming that
you're using an unaltered distribution,
Carl Zwanzig writes:
Yep, it's a social/behavioral problem, but social methods (i.e. trim your
messages, (whine) it's too hard on an ipad) haven't worked.
From the Oh-I-Really-Wish-I-Could-Do-This Dept.:
Put forgive my brevity in your spam filter.
;-)
Richard Damon writes:
On 12/14/13, 5:23 AM, Joe wrote:
One more question I forgot to ask on my original post:
Is there a way to configure Mailman so that when users select
'reply' the message goes to the list and when they select 'reply
all' the message goes to both the list and
Christopher Adams writes:
So, I assumed that smtp-failure.log would show which addresses were not
sent to. I don't think that is what it is for.
No, it shows addresses that were sent to and rejected by the remote
SMTP server. MTAs have another option, which is to accept and
silently discard
Paul Kleeberg writes:
We are trying to subscribe a user who has an apostrophe in their
email address to a list using the web interface and get the
message: “Hostile address (illegal characters)”.
I assume the apostrophe is in the mailbox (user account) part of the
address.[1]
My reading
R. Sheng-Chieh Cheng writes:
Everything Mark says is true and authoritative. If something I say
seems to conflict with Mark, either you don't understand (feel free to
ask!) or Mark's right and I'm wrong. Like all rules, there are
exceptions -- but I'm not aware of any.wink/
But I question
Steven Clift writes:
Thanks Stephen.
Are most mailman hosts finding their mail in Gmail heading to the
Promotions tab or Forums optional tab?
I don't receive any Mailman mail at my Gmail address, so I can't say.
But hold that thought ... if you don't get any response, I'll ping
some of
Lindsay Haisley writes:
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 14:01 +0100, Roel Wagenaar wrote:
And maybe you could stop TOP-posting?
That's a bit quick on the trigger. I don't recall ever seeing a
top-post from Tanstaafl before, for one thing, and that moniker has
been around for as long as I can
Richard Damon writes:
But servers will expires sessions that haven't been used for awhile
(they need to, the browser won't tell them they have expired the
session). Once this happens, even if the browser still has the cookie,
it doesn't help anymore. The question comes how long will this
Roel Wagenaar writes:
Seems to work fine, unfortunatily mailman is rewriting the Message-Id of the
injected emails.
Seems very unlikely to me. The code you propose changing should
prevent that already. How did you determine that Mailman is rewriting
the Message-Id?
I suspect that what is
Roel Wagenaar writes:
What Mailman version is this? This should not happen unless General
Options - anonymous_list is Yes or the new in 2.1.16 General Options -
from_is_list setting is Wrap Message.
Ah, so this setting is actually useful in some real applications.
Changing the
Barry Warsaw writes:
Indeed. It would be great if you could suppress the direct CC,
It's not that hard if done in the MUA. My problem is that Uday keeps
fiddling with the relevant functions in VM and I get merge conflicts
which aren't always trivial to solve. ;-)
Note that the subject is incorrect. Mailman is not reusing the
Message-ID, it is refusing to alter it which is correct behavior
according to RFC 5322 (Message-ID is an originator field).
I believe that according to RFC 5322 (and predecessors) Mailman SHOULD
add a Resent-Message-ID to indicate
Ralf Hildebrandt writes:
Strictly speaking, all that womand wanted was to know if the message
passed both mailing lists... So she should have more faith :)
For lists hosted by the same Mailman, Mailman 3 might be able to
handle this by adding *both* List-Ids to the header, and only adding
Richard Damon writes:
It is not clear to me that mailman should add the Resent-* headers. The
RFC states:
No, it's not clear to me, either. I do have a very strong opinion in
favor, to the extent that I would make it an option defaulting to ON.
Resent fields SHOULD be added to any
Steven Clift writes:
Has this been a growing issue with Mailman served lists?
I wouldn't say it's growing. For quite a while (a decade or so) we
have been getting the occasional request for help in getting mail
delivered to the major freemail services and portals, including Gmail,
Yahoo!,
Hi Stephen,
Really thanks for the comprehensive answer. In my situation I'm using
following reg expression to catch spam.
X\-Spam\-Flag\: Yes.*
Is it wrong?
Maybe. I forget the exact context, but in some places exact matches
and regular expressions can both be users. In that
William Agbor Baiyee writes:
I have recently received messages from a few subscribers of a list
that I manage. I would appreciate any advice regarding how best
to proceed with this issue.
1. If they are reporting non-delivery of messages they sent, *and*
they use Gmail, *and*
Re@lබණ්ඩා™ writes:
I've detected something doubtful situation in mailman because it has
released an email with spam flagged.
Mailman doesn't know anything about spam or spam flags. Mailman's
native filtering uses regular expressions, and takes certain actions
based on matches to those
Steve Sokol writes:
When we send messages, there is an attachment which is the
signature which would normally appear at the bottom of the list.
Simple question: How can I make it a signature instead of an
attachment?
The basic answer is there is no reliable way to accomplish that; it
is
Crile Carvey writes:
Is there an easy way for a list admin to check how many messages
are being sent out for a given list?
The basic answer is Mailman doesn't keep statistics like that but you
can easily compute them from the Mailman and MTA logs.
But why do you want to know? We need to
Crile Carvey writes:
But I have since learned that mailman is just not made to be easy ;-).
That depends on what you want to be easy. Mailman 2 is basically a
complete rewrite of the internals of Mailman 1, but the program's
goals and assumptions, and therefore the basic specification, are
Bryan Wright writes:
Now I just need to fine-tune sendmail so it speeds up as well, but
that's a question for elsewhere.
Just a guess, but it may not be sendmail per se. If there are issues
with the DNS, that could result in multiple long delays, giving the
half-hour time you're seeing for
renaud courvoisier writes:
Hi,
I'm encountering a problem on postfix with mailman and only with it :
sending a message from a domain outside my server cause a 554 5.7.1
Relay access denied error.
I do not have this error with messages directly sent to postfix.
This is a postfix
David Andrews writes:
Are there scripts out there to do this stuff, or what is the best
way?
Scripts by Mark[tm] are the best way. :-)
Maybe some new elements for the web UI in Mailman3?
In Mailman 3, addresses are associated with separate user objects,
which know which addresses they
Aaron Dolgin writes:
my hosting provider has mailman preinstalled. am i suppose to have access
to those files since mailman is open source?
That depends on exactly what you mean by hosting provider. If you
have contracted for the whole host (including a VM), and the
preinstalled software is
Tim Walter writes:
I am using v2.1.9 (via webmin)
Does that mean you have no access to add code to Mailman?
It's not possible to configure this kind of thing via web interfaces,
but if you can add fairly simple python script (which we can help you
write) to the Mailman installation, it should
benjamin_joy...@ao.uscourts.gov writes:
When I send a message out through the mailing list, the sent by
address alwayse seems to be listname-bounces@hostname. Is it
possible to remove the bounces apendation from the sent name so
that it only shows listname@hostname?
It's technically
e.c. writes:
Thanks, Seun. I suspected as much. The purpose of the prospective voting is
to offload all moderator functions onto the general membership in those
cases where the mailman program itself is not able mediate those functions
(e.g. having owners set maximum daily posting limits
Patrick McEvoy writes:
To clarify, in some languages other than English dear has gender such as
Spanish, Estimado for males and Estimada for females.
Ugh, that is a problem. The best solution I can think of is to put it
in the fullname in the email address:
To: Mr. Patrick McEvoy
Patrick McEvoy writes:
For example Dear Mr for males and Dear Mrs females.
Best avoided, for various reasons as Mark mentions, and also because
of the Miss/Mrs/Ms issue for women.
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Thomas Murgan writes:
This does not work for me:
ProxyPass /mailman http://internal-server/mailman
ProxyPassReverse /mailman http://internal-server/mailman
If you want all URLs starting with http://external-server/mailman; to
be forwarded to corresponding URLs at
Patrick McEvoy writes:
Hello,
I have just set up a Mailman mailing list. When I send an email to the
list the email header each member receives has my email address in the
From field and the list email address in the To field instead of the
recipient's email address in the To field.
Stephen Cook writes:
Yes, oldserver will only be a web server, so all mail can be forwarded to
the new server.
In brief, it looks I should:
1) Forward all mail from oldserver.mydomain.com to newserver.mydomain.com
using an MX record or an SMTP forward on oldserver.mydomain.com
2)
Stephen Cook writes:
I've been asked to migrate the mailing lists from Lyris Listmanager
running on Windows 2003 to Mailman on Red Hat Enterprise.
... requests to http://oldserver.mydomain.com; should go the the
old Windows server, and myl...@oldserver.mydomain.com should go
to the new
Nezih Yasar writes:
Hello everybody,
I am an owner of a list using Mailman.
We have more than 200 active senders in a 2000-member list.
We need a setup tool to restrict 2 messages per day for every user.
Is it available such a setup in Mailman?
No.
Does anyone have any experience
Richard Damon writes:
On 7/15/13 4:03 PM, Nezih Yasar wrote:
We have enough additional lists sharing the traffic but this is an alumni
list without moderation. It has a central role. Each alumni has a right to
affiliate the list.
OK. I still suspect that starting a new list for
Dave Blakemore writes:
Specifically I have one user who is not receiving notes
It would help if you are more precise about this. Never received
anything since subscription? Check the subscribed address for
accuracy. I'm not sure how you can check for invisible characters
(like space and
Kip Warner writes:
Yes indeed. I'd say it's just pure lazyiness.
Sorry to hear that. If there's anything we can do to help, let us
know.
And they may see the light. Anything's possible, these days:
cPanel has decided to adopt a positive attitude and support us with
feature requests and
David writes:
If anyone has or can come up with an itemized, file-by-file,
checklist,
There's not going to be anything like that. These things differ from
OS to OS and from site to site.
I can tell you that aside from standard Mailman code, docs, and
website data, Debian's mailman package
Kip Warner writes:
Hey Stephen. Thanks for your help. I passed on your comments to DH and
this is what they said:
The web interface has the same problem as the mail interface --
the logs rotate and are not available after a certain span of
time. Everything
Javad Hoseini-Nopendar writes:
I have created a mailing list named iranr...@iranravi.com, but I have a
problem. I believe a few members of the mailing list don't really like to
receive all the emails of the list. They don't like to take part in
discussions. but they only like to receive
Kip Warner writes:
Apparently Mailman doesn't handle opt-in confirmations in a way that is
compliant with it. Specifically, it doesn't log new subscriptions or the
IP addresses of the confirmation. Is this correct?
Each step of a subscription is logged. IP addresses of web requests
are
Joe writes:
I would like to have mail addressed to the list with a simple
'Reply' and addressed to both the list and the sender with a 'Reply
All'.
Can Mailman be configured to behave this way ?
No. Replies are generated by subscriber-side mail clients, not by
Mailman. Mailman
Jan Lausch writes:
Deal all,
I typically would prefer to see the queue of messages awaiting
moderation in time order, not alphabetically by email address
as happens by default.
I totally second that notion.
Is it worth thinking about threading them?
Richard Damon writes:
I will say that for a list I run, I find the alphabetical ordering
useful.
Indeed. Ordering will be an option, and since this request is hardly
a FAQ (though I think it a pretty obviously worthwhile feature), I
suppose that the default will be the traditional
Mark Sapiro writes:
Your patron requested unsubscribe and answered the confirmation on Mar 1
and was then removed from the list. Subsequently on May 6 the patron
replied again to the original May 1 confirmation email which was still
in his/her mailbox. This time the confirmation token had
Jan Lausch writes:
I mean, the main wiki page
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0 has been last updated
3 years ago.
Yeah, this is a problem. There's been a lot of water flowed under
that bridge since then, but you can only see it if you look at the
source trees (I mean the NEWS
Jay Ashworth writes:
A few grafs on this in the doco or on the wiki might not go amiss,
unless I'm really the only person who's ever asked, in which case
nevermind. :-)
I still don't understand what you're asking for, unless it's
Mailman subscribes *exactly* the address you give it. In
Mark Sapiro writes:
On 06/03/2013 03:21 PM, Cyndi Norwitz wrote:
Could there be an easier way? I don't want to run the risk of
list owners overdoing this, but some spam usernames are super
obvious. Like freecredit or onlinepoker.
Learn simple regular expressions. There are lots
Mark Sapiro writes:
The bug is only that if you select Add invalid address to one of
these sender filters: Mailman will add the address to one of the
*_these_nonmembers filters and later you will be unable to edit that
filter through the web UI unless and until you remove the invalid
Janice Boothe writes:
Perhaps you are adding in additinal languages that have such little
use just to be able to say you offer a huge number of languages?
If there was a real use for all of the others, then someone soudl;
translate.
There was a real use. That's why someone *did*
Janice Boothe writes:
It seems rather odd and extremely limiting that Mailman functiuons
as you describe in regards to confirm.
Yes, it's limiting, and the limitation was probably deliberate.
Because the confirmation page is viewable by just about anybody,
providing a customizable template
Drew Tenenholz writes:
Is there a good reference to what ports and protocols they should
leave alone so we can keep working?
These can be changed in mm_cfg.py, I believe, but incoming 80 (HTTP)
and 25 (SMTP) and outgoing 25 (SMTP) cover most sites. Incoming 443
(HTTPS) is another
Mark Sapiro writes:
On 05/16/2013 01:48 AM, Jan Lausch wrote:
Is that a correct MIME-set?
As Mark says, it's conformant to MIME in that a MIME conforming MUA is
perfectly happy to process that encoded file as part of the message
body's text, completely oblivious to the fact that it's really
Barry S. Finkel writes:
The in front of From in message bodies IS REQUIRED.
Only by the archive builder.
Specifically, AFAIK you are correct, Pipermail will split an mbox to
messages on any line matching ^From , and leave any From lines
in the resulting archive. There are two ways to
Lindsay Haisley writes:
Is there any support in any version of Mailman for total end to end
message security?
Not in a distributed version, although as mentioned in another post
there's a patch. There's a GSoC proposal to implement some such thing
for Mailman 3, with a reasonable UI for
Brian Canty writes:
I have removed all my subscribers from a list, but 2 of them will not
unsubscribe. Does anyone know of any way I can get to the raw
subscription list and manually remove them?
Membership management | mass remove from that list's admin page? Or
is that what you've
Richard Damon writes:
There is a fourth case, Host Provider sends the emails then sends you a
bill for the overage at the rate specified in the contract. This could
be very expensive for going that much over limit.
All I can say is, ouch! :-(
Mark Sapiro writes:
I have nothing to add to Mark's answer to question 1.
2- If that email consumes 200GB of my monthly bandwidth, while my
monthly bandwidth limit is only 8GB, sending that one email will
explode and break down my whole website or it will just give me an
error that
Al Black writes:
Specifically, I have some users on a couple of lists that are gmail
users with multiple accounts linked to that gmail address. They
use it to send mail while at work, but still have it appear to come
from their home address.
This means that the envelope address will not
Neil Anuskiewicz writes:
You guys are saying that I could contact Google and actually have some
influence? Have a lot of other people brought up the issue with
them?
No, that was ironic. A lot of people (including several on this list)
have contacted them and asked them to make it
David Roth writes:
Is there anything open-source to make a Mailman legacy archive searchable?
FreeWAIS (oldie but still goodie), Namazu, and Xapian come to mind.
They all require some effort on the part of the user, though. I don't
know of anything that you can trivially install (eg, from RPM
William Bagwell writes:
As long as it defaults off and is user selectable I think this would be a
nice feature.
No, by definition it's a nasty feature, as it involves nonconformance
to RFC 5322.
Suggested similar in the past... It will break threading for those
of us who want full
William Bagwell writes:
So if a list adds a footer to the body of a message (many do) then that
implies that the Message-ID /should/ be changed.
No. As the section you quoted later shows, that is a syntactic
difference and clearly *not* a reason for changing the Message-ID.
Obviously
fr...@library.iisc.ernet.in writes:
grep -r Fri Mar 8 10:09:05 IST 2013 *
Try
grep -r Fri Mar 8 10:09:05 IST 2013 *
(note two spaces before 8 in Mar 8)
Grep is not very smart that way
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Mark Sapiro writes:
Aside: If you'd post from your subscribed address, you'd avoid
moderation delay and possible rejection of your post.
I think Drew already knows this, but since Mark mentions the member
filter here, I'd like to remind users that if one has several possible
posting
Sergio Bastian Rodríguez writes:
Thanks for your answer, Mark.
I can not understand one issue of that behaviour. All emails are
send/receive by the same email client, Outlook 2003 and 2007
versions. So, when all costumers used the same client software ,
is possible that sometimes
I see the conversation has continued as I wrote. I'll try
to avoid duplication, but it would be a mess to rewrite the whole thing.
Bruce Harrison writes:
OK, there are no headers in the Sent folder as the mail message
gets copied in there before it goes thru the mail systems, so
nothing
Bruce Harrison writes:
Thanks for a good, detailed explanation.
You're welcome. This kind of problem gets sadly technical really
quickly.
Our one remaining Barracuda boxes is an outgoing mail filter,
I really should keep my random opinions to myself. I'm sure it does a
good job, I was
Mark Sapiro writes:
On 3/14/2013 3:22 PM, Bruce Harrison wrote:
j...@mailman.utm.edu was not in the Sent folder message at all.
We understand that and never expected it to be. The question is in
exactly what context in the Cc: in the sent folder is Judy found.
To be specific, we
Joseph Brennan writes:
- Andrei - tucsonand...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like members to receive email with From: Mailing List Name
How will people know who wrote each message?
Obviously, the Cabal authored it.
P.S. There is no cabal.
Joseph Brennan writes:
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
I bet they think it's an anti-spam measure. None of the big services
likes to talk much about that.
That's what frontline helpdesk told me, but no one could explain how
it reduces spam.
Rich man's graylisting
Joseph Brennan writes:
I reported this a few months ago, as a Google Apps for Edu customer, and
Google refuses to fix it. I spent a couple of weeks back and forth with
several people, and I got beyond the first line helpdesk. None of them
could give me a good explanation,
I bet they
Mark Sapiro writes:
It's hard to say, but it seems that you have list members in multiple
domains all served by the same google mail MX, and google doesn't like
receiving multiple recipient domains in a single SMTP transaction.
Other way around, I think. The Google MX in question seems to
Yosem Companys writes:
Hi all,
I'm one of the moderators of the Stanford University Program on Liberation
Technology at http://liberationtechnology.stanford.edu/.
You've come to the right place. Mailman is a liberating technology!
I was wondering whether someone on this list could
Tanstaafl writes:
On 2013-02-15 10:25 AM, Joseph Brennan bren...@columbia.edu wrote:
I am uncertain what /.*+/ would do. Remove either * or +.
As Joseph says, change the first part of your regexp from ^From:.*+
to ^from:.* or ^from:.+ (I would choose the former because it's
more inclusive,
Like Joseph, I don't know what /.*+/ does, but this
$ echo 'From bounce' | perl -ane 'print if /From.*bounce/;'
From bounce
$ echo 'From bounce' | perl -ane 'print if /From.*+bounce/;'
$
shows what it doesn't do.
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You could also do
From: Stephen J. Turnbull f...@acceptable.com
Reply-To: step...@xemacs.org, l...@your-host.org
People would have to be careful to clean out the unneeded address, but
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