Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-13 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
Why such mail would not be DKIM signed by Postfix when mail submitted via the Postfix sendmail command is DKIM signed by Postfix probably has to do with the Postfix/opendkim configuration and is not something I can answer offhand. If you think of anything, please let me know. I have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-13 Thread Joe Sniderman
On 05/13/2012 01:39 AM, David wrote: [snip] If you think of anything, please let me know. I have been reading all the DKIM related posts I can find, both on this list and other places. For a mailing list, would I have to expand my SigningTable in any way? No, as long as the list's

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-13 Thread Dave (FitEyes)
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Joe Sniderman joseph.snider...@thoroquel.org wrote: On 05/13/2012 01:39 AM, David wrote: For a mailing list, would I have to expand my SigningTable in any way? No, as long as the list's domain is in your SigningTable. OK. If you want to sign outgoing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-12 Thread David
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: DKIM signing is normally done in an outgoing MTA. SPF and reverse DNS are DNS things, not Mailman. In general, best practices for Mailman servers are the same as best practices for sending mail in general. Mailman does

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
David wrote: I have DKIM implemented with opendkim and Postfix and messages sent out via sendmail are signed properly. However, messages sent out to the list's users by Mailman are not DKIM signed. Any suggestions? Is Mailman sending outgoing mail via your local Postfix. These headers from

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-12 Thread David
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: David wrote: I have DKIM implemented with opendkim and Postfix and messages sent out via sendmail are signed properly. However, messages sent out to the list's users by Mailman are not DKIM signed. Any suggestions?

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
David wrote: For a mailing list, would I have to expand my SigningTable in any way? My opendkim SigningTable currently only has an entry for *@list.example.com(which is associated with list._ domainkey.example.com). But /var/log/mail.log shows a lot of entries like this: no signing table match

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
Mailman does have the ability to remove DKIM signatures from incoming mail where Mailman might break these signatures by, e.g., prefixing Subject: headers and/or adding list header or footer information to message bodies, but this is controversial. Also, DKIM signing of outgoing list mail is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-11 Thread Geoff Shang
On Fri, 11 May 2012, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On the other hand we're getting spam reports for list mails (not spam!) our users sent to a list. But since it's not spam we cannot actually do anything about those mails while the LIST ADMIN could easily unsubscribe the people reporting the spam.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Geoff Shang ge...@quitelikely.com: On Fri, 11 May 2012, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On the other hand we're getting spam reports for list mails (not spam!) our users sent to a list. But since it's not spam we cannot actually do anything about those mails while the LIST ADMIN could easily

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-11 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 9 May 2012 16:01:57 -0400 David d...@fiteyes.com wrote: It seems to me that Mailman provides at least some of the intelligence (via logs) that 37Signals custom developed on top of Postfix. Am I right? The core suggestions seem to be universalL SPF records, DKIM signing, reverse DNS

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-11 Thread David
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: Getting to 99.9% delivery for a mailinglist is not difficult. Unless you use it to manage your newsletter distribution. The trick is: Do not force people onto your mailinglist. Make it a list were most people are

Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
David wrote: The 37Signals article caught my attention. I would enjoy knowing others's thoughts about how to apply these (or other) suggestions to Mailman. It seems to me that Mailman provides at least some of the intelligence (via logs) that 37Signals custom developed on top of Postfix. Am I

[Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery

2012-05-09 Thread David
Is this an appropriate place to discuss the broader topic of how to best use Mailman? Now that we have it running well, we would like to take additional steps to ensure that the list's emails are delivered as well as they can be. The 37Signals article caught my attention. I would enjoy knowing