Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 01:52 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 10/02/2017 02:54 PM, tlhackque via Mailman-Users wrote: > ... >> From your comments on this thread, Mailman V3 will not (yet) meet your >> expectations. > > Mailman 3 doesn't seem to be available from my distro vendor. That will change. I know

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 02:54 PM, tlhackque via Mailman-Users wrote: ... > From your comments on this thread, Mailman V3 will not (yet) meet your > expectations. Mailman 3 doesn't seem to be available from my distro vendor. -- Dimitri Maziuk Programmer/sysadmin BioMagResBank, UW-Madison --

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 02:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/02/2017 12:22 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: ... >>> Sep 25 15:53:57 2017 (7782) smtp to >>> XXX for 1 recips, completed in 0.081 seconds >> ... >>> Sep 25 15:59:06 2017 (7782)

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/2/2017 12:37 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Could you point me at The Fine Manual for mailman where it says how many addresses I can subscribe through the web interface? I can't (and as Mark mentioned, it's installation-dependent), but it would be helpful to others if you would add something

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 02-Oct-17 15:35, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > Oh, I agree: mailman worked exactly as designed. Whoever designed that > particular assumed it'll take zero time to process an uploaded list of > an unknown size, and that did precisely what ass-u-me always does. No > surprises there, unfortunately. No,

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 12:22 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > >> One big killer in delivery from Mailman to >> Postfix is recipient address validation at smtpd time. I.e., you don't >> want reject_unknown_recipient_domain in smtpd_recipient_restrictions. > > :) Well I do actually, this being our mail gateway,

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 01:16 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > (My car is a great car > but won't carry 500kg of cargo, so I don't ask it to.) Well I bet your car comes with a manual that says what its max cargo capacity is. Could you point me at The Fine Manual for mailman where it says how many addresses I can

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 02:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > And "abort the running op because my browser timed out" is not Mailman's > doing. That's your web server and its CGI interface. Oh, I agree: mailman worked exactly as designed. Whoever designed that particular assumed it'll take zero time to process

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 01:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You need to look in Mailman's 'smtp' log to see how much time is being > taken to deliver to postfix. Close to .1 s, with an occasional .12 on the date in question. > One big killer in delivery from Mailman to > Postfix is recipient address

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On 10/02/2017 07:47 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > Mailman's been been trouble- and maintenance-free for us since we > switched from whatever-that-perl-thing-was-called all those years ago, > and it never occurred to me it'd something as silly as abort the running > op because my browser timed

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/2/2017 7:58 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: PS there is nothing except postfix, spamd, mailman, and apache serving mailman's interface running on this server. It' running at load avg of 0.0 on 24 cores in 128GB of RAM. AFAICT the only reason for the software to croak on the list that size is

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/02/2017 07:58 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > OK, thanks. Now I get to draft 3,500 apologies and then resubscribe > everyone except the couple of people who replied with "please stop". If you use Mailman's mass subscribe (with smaller chunks, say 1000) you can add the apology to the new

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Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 2017-10-01 22:23, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > On 9/29/2017 11:34 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > >> (mailman 2.1.12 on centos 6.9) > > > > I don't think that Mark mentioned it, but 2.1.12 is -painfully- old (as > > is centos 6.9) and centos packages often lag way behind the >

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 2017-10-01 17:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: On October 1, 2017 3:34:29 PM PDT, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: So I don't get it, are you saying that is *was* aborted after the CGI timed out? Yes. OK, thanks. Now I get to draft 3,500 apologies and then resubscribe everyone

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 2017-10-01 22:23, Carl Zwanzig wrote: On 9/29/2017 11:34 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: (mailman 2.1.12 on centos 6.9) I don't think that Mark mentioned it, but 2.1.12 is -painfully- old (as is centos 6.9) and centos packages often lag way behind the corresponding source versions. If you

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 9/29/2017 11:34 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: (mailman 2.1.12 on centos 6.9) I don't think that Mark mentioned it, but 2.1.12 is -painfully- old (as is centos 6.9) and centos packages often lag way behind the corresponding source versions. If you need to stick with 6.9, I would consider

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On October 1, 2017 3:34:29 PM PDT, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: >On 10/01/2017 04:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> The log entries were written as Mailman did the subscribes and sent >the >> welcomes, but those subscriptions were lost when the process aborted >> before finishing. No

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/01/2017 04:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The log entries were written as Mailman did the subscribes and sent the > welcomes, but those subscriptions were lost when the process aborted > before finishing. No more subscriptions are currently being done. So I don't get it, are you saying that

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/01/2017 02:44 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > For another week or so, > judging by what I can work out from the postfix logs -- because there's > no other place to look. See my other reply at -- Mark Sapiro

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 10/01/2017 02:34 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > It's /var/log/mailman/subscribe in this case, thank you, but it shows > "new mail@addr, admin mass sub" > for addrs from a to j up to Sep 25. (I sorted the list before upload and, but > those subscribes were lost > it goes all the way to z.)

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On 09/30/2017 05:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/30/2017 02:31 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: .. > It's in progress as far as you're concerned, but not as far as Mailman > is concerned. As far as Mailman is concerned, some users were sent > welcome messages, but no one has been subscribed. End of

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 09/30/2017 11:47 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Question: what is mailman actually doing?g? > > Look in /usr/local/mailman/logs/* /var/spool/mqueue/ > or whatever your local equivalent paths are It's /var/log/mailman/subscribe in this case, thank you, but it shows "new mail@addr, admin mass

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 09/30/2017 03:15 PM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: > Hello Dimitri Maziuk. On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:31:23 -0500, you wrote: > >> But the welcome messages have been sent so interrupting it and >> re-running with smaller address chunks will have some people receive >> the welcome

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 09/30/2017 02:31 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > But the welcome messages have been sent so interrupting it and > re-running with smaller address chunks will have some people receive the > welcome message twice. I'd like to avoid that. TRhe welcome messages contain randomly generated user

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

Hello Dimitri Maziuk. On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:31:23 -0500, you wrote: > But the welcome messages have been sent so interrupting it and > re-running with smaller address chunks will have some people receive > the welcome message twice. I'd like to avoid that. I don't think so. My My Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 2017-09-30 13:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: The process is subscribing the members one at a time. This will send a welcome as each user is subscribed, but the updated list configuration is not saved until the process is complete. Thus, if it's interrupted prior to completion, the list is not

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

On 09/29/2017 11:34 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > a few days ago I made a mistake (?) of uploading a list of ~7000 > addresses into the "bulk subscribe" box. None of them made it into the > subscriber list, but at least some of the welcome e-mails went out. > > Question: what is mailman actually

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

> Question: what is mailman actually doing? Is it waiting for all the > retries and bounces before it updates the subscriber list? Or has it > failed and I need to re-do the whole thing? Look in /usr/local/mailman/logs/* /var/spool/mqueue/ or whatever your local equivalent paths are Julian --

[Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

Hi all, a few days ago I made a mistake (?) of uploading a list of ~7000 addresses into the "bulk subscribe" box. None of them made it into the subscriber list, but at least some of the welcome e-mails went out. Question: what is mailman actually doing? Is it waiting for all the retries and