[Mailman-Users] Mailman functioning (writes)

2005-05-12 Thread Forrest Aldrich
I was asked how mailman handles I/O from the web page - is it via direct
writes, direct open of configs - or is the process proxied somehow, etc.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sanitizer settings

2005-05-12 Thread Scot Hacker
So I'm still not sure why SANITIZER doesn't seem to have any effect.  
All I want is for list messages not to have  HTML attachments every time 
they include a bit of formatting. Is my method below wrong? Is there 
another way to achieve this?

Thanks,
Scot


Scot Hacker wrote:

A user is asking why  HTML messages are ending up with attachments 
(which their organization is bouncing back to them since it doesn't 
allow HTML attachments). I found this in Defaults.py

ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 1

The comments there say:
# 2 - Leave it inline, but HTML-escape it

I  added this to mm_cfg.py. Then I  changed the 1 to 2, but it doesn't 
seem to have any effect. Formatted messages still come through with 
attachments, and when I view source on a message, the HTML does not 
appear to be escaped. Ran mailmanctl restart, but no difference. How can 
I make formatted messages appear inline without attachments?

Thanks,
Scot


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing confirm page

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Tittsler
On May 12, 2005, at 09:02, Daya Baran wrote:

 How do you change the header and footer on a global level instead of
 changing every single page

It depends on how much customization you want  to do.  If you want to  
go beyond setting the WEB_*_COLORs and turning off the IMAGE_LOGOS,  
it is probably easiest to edit Mailman/htmlformat.py directly.

I believe there are at least three sets of patches in the SourceForge  
patch tracker that add style sheets to the Mailman web pages which  
would provide you with a great deal of design flexibility once  
installed.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sanitizer settings

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Tittsler
On May 12, 2005, at 16:03, Scot Hacker wrote:
 A user is asking why  HTML messages are ending up with attachments
 (which their organization is bouncing back to them since it doesn't
 allow HTML attachments).

What is in the attachments?  (Do you have a list footer added to  
messages passing through your  Mailman?  Some users will describe the  
footer as an attachment to an HTML or multipart/alternative  
message.  Make the footer empty.)
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp

 I found this in Defaults.py

 ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 1

 The comments there say:
 # 2 - Leave it inline, but HTML-escape it

 I  added this to mm_cfg.py. Then I  changed the 1 to 2, but it  
 doesn't
 seem to have any effect. Formatted messages still come through with
 attachments,

This setting affects what goes into your list archives.

 So I'm still not sure why SANITIZER doesn't seem to have any effect.
 All I want is for list messages not to have  HTML attachments every  
 time
 they include a bit of formatting. Is my method below wrong? Is there
 another way to achieve this?

If you are using Mailman's content filtering, double check your MIME  
type filtering and html/text conversion rules on the Content  
filtering web page for your list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman functioning (writes)

2005-05-12 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:15 AM -0400 2005-05-12, Forrest Aldrich wrote:

  I was asked how mailman handles I/O from the web page - is it via direct
  writes, direct open of configs - or is the process proxied somehow, etc.

The Python code opens Python pickle files for the list 
configuration, user settings, etc..., creates HTML for the web pages, 
takes the input from the web page, and writes the relevant 
information to the pickles.

It is possible to set up a reverse web proxy that sits in front 
of the Mailman web server, however.

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[Mailman-Users] change digest/non-digest frequency

2005-05-12 Thread Morgan R. Tamplin (test account)
Hello,
I'm setting up Mailman on a new XServe.  There are a few things I  
haven't found in the documentation:

-Is it possible (and how would I) change the frequency of digest and  
non-digest mail delivery?
 For example, it would be handy to be able to set a list to send  
a digest of all
 unsent mail at the same time each week on a Friday.
 (Allow the boss to keep up to date with mail to a list  
without causing frequent interruptions.)

 It would also be useful for Mailman to queue non-digest mail on  
a daily basis and send it out between
 12 and 2pm.  (Using mailman as interface to help desk with  
limited hours).

I'm pretty familiar with *nix, but new to specific system admin  
tasks.  My apologies if this was easily found elsewhere!

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sanitizer settings

2005-05-12 Thread Scot Hacker
Jim Tittsler wrote:

 On May 12, 2005, at 16:03, Scot Hacker wrote:

 A user is asking why  HTML messages are ending up with attachments
 (which their organization is bouncing back to them since it doesn't
 allow HTML attachments).


 What is in the attachments?  (Do you have a list footer added to  
 messages passing through your  Mailman?  Some users will describe the  
 footer as an attachment to an HTML or multipart/alternative  
 message.  Make the footer empty.)
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp


Ah... thanks very much for the clue. Yep, disabling the footer fixes the 
issue (although we're then left without a footer). Interesting FAQ. 
Somehow, this was not happening when the lists were running through 
CommuniGate Pro;  I'm not sure how that MTA solves the problem. But at 
least this is a possible solution for Mailman, so  thanks.

 If you are using Mailman's content filtering, double check your MIME  
 type filtering and html/text conversion rules on the Content  
 filtering web page for your list.

No, we're not using Content Filtering for these lists.

Scot

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[Mailman-Users] remove_members returns no success output

2005-05-12 Thread Ramasamy, Sudhakar
I am using the remove_members command inside a shell script and sending the
output by email. When there is an unsuccessful remove such as an invalid or
non-existent email address I can get the output. But when an email address is
successfully removed there is no output from this command.
 
When I do the same through the web interface I can see the output as
expected. Not sure what I am missing.
 
-sud
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[Mailman-Users] Messages moderated from port 2525

2005-05-12 Thread Ed Danley
I apologize if this discussed elsewhere, I didn't find it.

My domain host (http://www.siteground.com) runs mailman 2.1.5p1. I have a
mailing list setup for my church for general news. The pastor and secretary
are authorized to post. All others are moderated.

This setup ran fine through my ISP, DSL via SBC, until SBC decided to start
blocking port 25. At that time all mail needed to be sent with their
signon/password for outgoing mail. When that happened, both the secretary
and pastor postings became moderated. I have to intervene to allow the posts
to proceed.

In talking with my domain provider about this, they suggested that I send
outgoing emails using port 2525 direct via them. While this works to allow
mail going out without SBC blocking it, mailman is still moderating all
postings. Siteground.com has tried a multitude of things (I don't know what)
but nothing seems to work.

I have browsed the email internet headers (not knowing what I'm looking for)
and nothing seems out of the ordinary to me. No mention of SBC or the funky
port.

Is this a known problem? Is there a work around shy of dumping SBC's DSL
service?

Thanks.

Ed Danley


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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Users] remove_members returns no success output

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Tittsler
On May 13, 2005, at 02:53, Ramasamy, Sudhakar wrote:

 I am using the remove_members command inside a shell script and  
 sending the
 output by email. When there is an unsuccessful remove such as an  
 invalid or
 non-existent email address I can get the output. But when an email  
 address is
 successfully removed there is no output from this command.

The lack of an error message means it was successful in removing the  
member(s) requested.  remove_members only outputs on success if you  
use the --fromall switch, to confirm which list(s) from which the  
subscriber(s) were removed.

You could modify your copy of remove_members if you wanted to echo  
each address after a successful ApprovedDeleteMember().

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Users] change digest/non-digest frequency

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Tittsler
On May 13, 2005, at 00:54, Morgan R. Tamplin (test account) wrote:

 -Is it possible (and how would I) change the frequency of digest

You can change the frequency of periodic digest generation by  
changing the mailman crontab  entry that runs the cron/senddigests  
script.  (And if you don't want the change to affect all of your  
lists, look at the --listname argument documented at the beginning of  
the script.)

 and non-digest mail delivery?

Does it really matter when it is *delivered*?  Your mail server  
should be able to collect the mail even if the helpdesk user wasn't  
available.  (You might be able to have your MTA freeze certain  
messages in its queue, and thaw them for delivery at certain times.   
An Exim system filter could do that for you for example.  But again,  
why not just let them be delivered by the mail system and just not  
picked up by the user until they are available?)  Or if you mean you  
want mail to a list to bounce rather than be sent or even held, you  
could remove the mail alias except during specified hours.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 00:23, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 All of a sudden, within the last hour or so, subject_prefix on both
 mailman-users@python.org and mailman-developers@python.org is being
 added to replies even though it's already present resulting in
 doubling and tripling (so far not more) of the prefix.

Thanks for the quick heads up.  I think I just fixed it.  At least I
/hope/ so, 'cause I'm going to bed. ;)

will-test-a-few-follow-ups-to-be-sure-first-ly y'rs,
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[Mailman-Users] bounce processing on seldom-used list

2005-05-12 Thread Charles Sprickman
Hello,

We've just started digging into mailman a bit more here.  Very happy with it so 
far...  A list owner brought up a good question today.  I was telling him how 
this is better than a long bcc: list in Outlook and one thing that I like about 
any modern mailing list software is that it handles bounces for you.

But this situation was kind of unique...  It's a large list, but it does not 
get used more than 5 or 6 times a year.  The list owner would like to know when 
someone is bouncing, but right after the first bounce.  Is there any way to do 
that?  I didn't see too much about bounce processing in the FAQ, but it seems 
like it's built around lists that see traffic more often than a few times a 
year...

Any suggestions on how to hack in even some basic here's a list of people that 
bounced on this mailing for this list functionality?  Even something outside 
of mailman itself?

Thanks,

Charles

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