Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Sure. But why bother? Well, you already get 90% of that for free in MM3 already, except it's only exposed in the test suite. Launchpad has similar functionality and for developers, it's very useful. It's probably not useful to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:39 PM, LuKreme wrote: Neither. I think the best way to do this would be to have a list- ping email address where all it does is send you back your message as if it had been posted to the entire list, but sent only to you. That is, with footers attached, attachments,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Finkel
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Sure. But why bother? Well, you already get 90% of that for free in MM3 already, except it's only exposed in the test suite. Launchpad has similar functionality and for developers, it's very useful. It's probably not useful to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Test mesages

2009-09-11 Thread tanstaafl
On 9/11/2009, Stephen J. Turnbull (step...@xemacs.org) wrote: What I have in mind is a screen that the site manager or list owner can use: Clone list List to clone: ___ Name (mailbox) of new

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher C. Wright wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. It is clear that options 3 and 4 don't work for you. If neither option 1 or 2 works either, you can see the note at the bottom which will lead you to a patch which we don't recommend for the reasons

Re: [Mailman-Users] combining 2 mailman servers into 1 - how to mergealiases aliases.db

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
John Adamski wrote: My question is how do I get the aliases aliases.db files on the server I'm migrating all lists to, so it reflects all the lists. Is it as simple as running bin/genaliases or do I have to manually update the aliases file then somehow regen the aliases.db? Once you have

Re: [Mailman-Users] MailMan cc_cfg.py

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Corey Jones wrote I'm trying to make default 'Require Approval' under Privacy Options. Where do I find a list of config commands so that I can make that default by writing to the mm_cfg.py file. In Defaults.py. # SUBSCRIBE POLICY # 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1)

Re: [Mailman-Users] Garbled digest messages

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rick Morrison wrote: I help run a private Mailman mailing list for a group that is occasionally seeing garbled messages in their plain-text digests. The garbled messages are completely unreadable, with every character of the original message being lost. The garbled messages seem to appear only

Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mike Mackenna wrote: I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing list. I would like to use mailman for the list. I hear running your own email server can be a headache because of all of the security concerns. Is there a free service available for small clubs to make

Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the sending domain, will reject the mail. Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with our mailing list

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Joe Finocchiaro wrote: The problem: How do we prevent people other than the administrator from posting to the list? We created a new list today and everyone keeps posting to it... We don't want that option. We use this list as a one way communication piece. See the FAQ at

[Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list

2009-09-11 Thread C Nulk
Hello all, I have what I hope is a simple question. First, a little background. I have two lists - call them A and F. Both lists are moderated. List A is used as an authorization list, does not/is not used to send any messages, and has about 10 members, one of which has the email address

Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 09/11/09 10:45, Barry Warsaw wrote: Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service. Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was one culprit, but they whitelisted me). Even

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
C Nulk wrote: Now, when o...@place.com sends a message to List F, will the message be held for moderation, since o...@place.com is a member of moderated List F? Or, will the message be delivered to all of List F members because o...@place.com is on List A whose members are allow to post messages

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Kirke Johnson
I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread LuKreme
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is to fix them, not remove them.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Carpenter
I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing list. I would like to use mailman for the list. I hear running your own email server can be a headache because of all of the security concerns. Is there a free service available for small clubs to make use of the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Kirke Johnson
The headers would work, but the subscription would automatically be restored the next night. Folks find that frustrating and would rather not be reminded about it. There will always be a percentage who do not want to receive information that is considered critical to the organization providing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
LuKreme writes: On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:44, Kirke Johnson kjohn...@pcc.edu wrote: Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. I would think the proper solution is

[Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread Lindsay Haisley
I've been to several sources of documentation on Mailman and can't find anything definitive on this, except for a bunch of list postings, so perhaps someone could point me to a doc on the current state of this feature, or answer the question. I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kirke Johnson wrote: I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that was by turning off

Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Lindsay Haisley wrote: I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution list can get a post distributed by putting Approved: passwd as the first line of the post, yes? I've also seen some discussion of putting this in the subject line in square brackets. Is this supported? What's the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:46 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Lindsay Haisley wrote: I understand that a poster to a moderated distribution list can get a post distributed by putting Approved: passwd as the first line of the post, yes? I've also seen some discussion of putting this in the subject

[Mailman-Users] qrunner question

2009-09-11 Thread Lindsay Haisley
I'm trying to test a list to which fairly long HTML-ized (ugh!) posts will be posted by a customer. For testing, I have only a couple of addresses (mine) on the subscriber list, but when I post, qrunner takes like half an hour to push the posts through so I can see what's going on. Is there any

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists don't have them. I think the solution to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. It might not be a bad idea, especially for people who's clients are not set to plain-text, so yeah, that would be good. As long as it's not taking

Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:20 PM, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. It might not be a bad idea, especially for people who's clients are not set to plain-text, so yeah, that

Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner question

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Lindsay Haisley wrote I'm trying to test a list to which fairly long HTML-ized (ugh!) posts will be posted by a customer. For testing, I have only a couple of addresses (mine) on the subscriber list, but when I post, qrunner takes like half an hour to push the posts through so I can see what's

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list

2009-09-11 Thread C Nulk
Thank you for the information Mark. Now, I know I shouldn't be asking but... Is there a way to add on a list-specific basis an entry similar to mm_cfg.py entries that I can then use in a locally modified Handlers/Moderate.py to add an accept_these_nonmembers type check before the membership

Re: [Mailman-Users] Authenticating a post to a distribution list

2009-09-11 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:19:44PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: If people want this feature (Approved: password in square brackets in the Subject:), speak up. If we do implement this, I think it should be a list option. Very much so. Were it not to

[Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive

2009-09-11 Thread John Lieber
My drive failed after creating a new list, I would like to recover the list members from the server. I have the original file that I imported from however I did a lot of cleanup after the import and before the drive failed. My hope is that after putting the drive into a second computer, and if

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:16 PM, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Sep-2009, at 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, that's the way it works, but maybe it shouldn't. What do people think about changing this? Well, I'd be in favor of forcing the rfc2369 headers to always be there, myself. I hate it when lists

Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
John Lieber wrote: My hope is that after putting the drive into a second computer, and if I can see the data, is there a way to extract the mailing list members? The list configuration and membership, etc is all in the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file and lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.last is a

[Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..

2009-09-11 Thread Khalil Abbas
hello .. what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? and what happens if I deleted these files from both directories? and is it ok to do that ? Thanks ..

Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive

2009-09-11 Thread John Lieber
Thank you very much! -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:11 PM To: John Lieber; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering users from hard drive John Lieber wrote: My hope is that after putting the drive into a second

Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Khalil Abbas wrote: what are the files in : /var/lib/mailman/data/bounce-events.pck ? and what's the difference between them and those in: /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck ?? The files /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck are individual messages delivered to list-boun...@... and waiting to be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: I am fighting a variation of this right now. We have several automated lists from which members can not remove themselves. Due to complaints about subscription headers that would not work, I removed them. The only way I found to do that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a moderated list

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
C Nulk wrote: Now, I know I shouldn't be asking but... Is there a way to add on a list-specific basis an entry similar to mm_cfg.py entries that I can then use in a locally modified Handlers/Moderate.py to add an accept_these_nonmembers type check before the membership check? Basically, I want

Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments

2009-09-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: The only way I found to do that was by turning off include_rfc2369_headers. Maybe we just need a new option to control the List-Subscribe and List- Unsubscribe headers? I think that if

Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..

2009-09-11 Thread Khalil Abbas
thanks alot for the explanation, but actually I got confused alittle, is it about the automatic bounce processing? i.e. the messages that got bounced back or is it about the actual delivery of messages?? means if something is wrong then the messages are not being delivered correctly to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] question aabout bounces..

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Khalil Abbas wrote: thanks alot for the explanation, but actually I got confused alittle, is it about the automatic bounce processing? i.e. the messages that got bounced back or is it about the actual delivery of messages?? means if something is wrong then the messages are not being delivered