k on most lists), because I think the
plain text digest is created even if it has no recipients.
You can set Digest options -> digestable to No and force everyone to
subscribe to messages, but that may not be acceptable.
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On 11/6/20 5:09 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
>
> Currently, the lists are setup as follows:
> [image: image.png]
> Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No.
You need to set Archiving Options -> archive to No.
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>for my own Mailman 2 clients. I don't believe it is possible for a
>cPanel user to do this since they normally don't have root access to
>the
>server.
In addition, if the digest hasn't been sent, the message can be removed from
the list's digest.mbox file.
As Brian says, all this requir
t searchable by
the web server. It should be mode o+x, or if it is o-x, it must be owned
by the web server user. See the warning box at
<https://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html>.
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private/LISTNAME.mbox directory and move the
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file. Then
run `bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME` as the mailman user to rebuild the
pipermail archive.
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n/checkdbs just as it says in comments that precede the msgid in the
mailman.po file.
But, why do you want to modify the english message and msgid? Why not
leave them as is and just modify the translated msgstr.
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on.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/NR7ACRKU552EJYGXNLUVUVB47HF2N3QD/>?
If so, I don't have time at the moment to look in detail, but the issue
seemed to be permissions and only changing the --with-mail-gid option
from mailman to nobody would not have affected this at all.
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e alias. See the
`DELIVERY RIGHTS` section at <http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html>. This
means if /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db is owned by `mailman`, Postfix
will invoke the wrapper as group `mailman` and you should configure
--with-mail-gid=mailman
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tting, then subscribers
> are being misled, because they think they have choices when they actually
> don't,
I agree in the case of password reminders, but it's been that way for
many years and I have seen few if any reports of confusion. Most
subscribers wh
ired.
>
> As I mentioned, we have no control over the server, but is there a way for
> our provider to have all relevant URLs start with 'https'?
See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007>.
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;https://wiki.list.org/x/15958250>, however as
the article notes, setting the character set to utf-8 will cause message
bodies to be encoded as base64, not 8bit.
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On 10/19/20 7:10 PM, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> and Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_*moderation_action ?
>
> x Munge From
>
> Yeah, that's it.
> I suppose I could change that to Accept?
You could
is
> before, what have I missed?
See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030602>.
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m_is_list and Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
dmarc_*moderation_action ?
Note that if this From: munging only occurs on messages which are held
for moderation and approved and does not happen for messages From: the
same address which are not held for moderation then I don't unde
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
>
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On 10/15/20 1:41 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On 10/13/20 3:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> For example, if topic1 has regexp \WMailman\W and topic2 has regexp
>> \Wlist\W, any message containing a Subject: or Topics: header or
>> pseudo header containing the word
n that case?
No.
> Question 3: What effect do Topics have on subscribers receiving the
> Digest? Are they effectively subscribed to all Topics?
Digests contain all messages without any regard to topics.
> I see great potential for the use of Topics in our group, but I don't
> know whe
as currently implemented.
An implementation of Mailman 2.1 topics is not in Mailman 3, and
probably won't ever be. The thought for Mailman 3 is to enable 'dynamic
sublists' which would allow users to (un)subscribe to specific threads
on the fly, but no one is currently working on this See
https:/
doing the retries.
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>
> It seems that ANY change of that web page, no matter how trivial,
> triggers the error message.
We need to see the full error message and traceback from Mailman's error
log to understand what's going on. If you don't have access to that
information, your hosting provi
ause of this behavior?
See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030602>. The most likely cause
is a redirect from http to https in which case see steps 2 and 3 at
<https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007>.
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and post there.
I will follow up once I know which Mailman this is.
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appropriate list for Mailman 3 is mailman-us...@mailman3.org
<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>.
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addresses in several things (default From:, envelope sender,
Reply-To:, Sender), *_these_nonmembers checks only the first address
found in From:, Sender:, envelope sender in that order by default, but
if USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is set True in mm_cfg.py, the order is Sender:,
From:, envelope sender.
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rue` will throw a NameError exception and setting
`filter_vhost` rather than `FILTER_VHOST` won't throw any exception, but
will not set the variable being tested.
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s to reply to the poster in this way, she needs to edit
the recipients when composing the mail. I recognize this is
inconvenient, but no changes are contemplated.
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also a script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/hddump> which
can dump these databases and may be useful as illustration of how to
access them with Archiver methods.
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g from iso-8859-7 to utf-8
will help with this Hotmail issue or not, but it might be worth a try.
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is running?
FWIW, I don't try to check if mailman is running in my postrotate
script. I use
> postrotate
> /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl reopen >/dev/null 2>&1 || true
> endscript
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deration_action = Yes
to be what they want.
It can also help with some ISPs to publish a DMARC policy for your
domain in DNS, even if it is p=none.
Beyond that, do the messages bounce? I.e. are there entries in Mailman's
bounce log. Also, what do the MTA logs say about these deliveries?
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script contain?
Does it do
bin/mailmanctl reopen
after rotation?
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ther options, a csv file of members and their options. They are
the same except mailman-subscribers3.py is a python 3 script and
mailman-subscribers.py is python 2.
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erent virtual domain on the same server, see
<https://wiki.list.org/x/4030617>.
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> # This will only be printed if there were any addresses which encountered an
> # immediate smtp failure. Mutually exclusive with SMTP_LOG_SUCCESS.
> SMTP_LOG_REFUSED = (
> 'post',
> 'post to %(listname)s from %(sender)s, size=%(size)d,
> message-id=%(msg_message-id)s, %(#
n mailman and the rest of the Internet. Am
> I wrong about that?
I think that was exactly Steve's point.
> Does mailman even include its own web server? I didn't think it did.
No, it doesn't. It does however do SMTP to an MTA that isn't necessarily
on localhost, so TLS can be an issue
gt;
> Is it possible? and if so, where can I find the documentation on this
> procedure?
Messages for the digest are accumulated in Mailman's
lists//digest.mbox file. You can edit this file with a text
editor or an MUA like mutt to remove the unwanted message.
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actual file hierarchy, it is
static and you won't see changes.
By fixing this and making /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/* the
appropriate symlinks, pipermail URLs are now showing you the content in
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/* which was being updated all along.
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ilman/archives/public on the production system symlinks or
entire file hierarchies. I suspect the former and that the full file
hierarchies in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public only exist in the backups.
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line is when backing up, always ensure you copy symlinks as
symlinks and not their targets. For rsync, this is -l/--links (included
as part of -a/--archive). For cp, it's -d or -P/--no-dereference or
-a/--archive.
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On 9/17/20 9:39 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/17/2020 12:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 9/17/20 9:06 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>
>> Before doing anything, show me the results of
>> ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
> # ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/public
> Are new messages being appended to the
>> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox files?
> No
This part I don't understand. What does
ls -la /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*.mbox
show?
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On 9/17/20 8:04 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-09-17 at 07:54 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Forward to where?
>
> Oh the irony of you asking that question. :) If we go back a year,
> there were STARK warnings about the EOL of mm2. Blatan
On 9/17/20 7:56 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/17/2020 10:43 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Is ArchRunner running? Are there entries in /var/spool/mailman/archive/?
> Looks like it:
What makes you think messages aren't being archived?
Is your archive public? If so, is
/var/li
ppearing over on the MM3-users list and in #mailman.
Forward to where?
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On 9/17/20 7:24 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/17/2020 9:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 9/17/20 6:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>> For some reason, messages are not being archived. I see no error in the
>>> logs and check_perms says no problems found. Any suggestion
orking on that would be a valuable and
worthwhile effort.
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ng services.
I would welcome and support anyone who wants to develop a lightweight,
pythonic web UI for Mailman 3 list management and/or archiving and make
it available to the community.
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any logs being written? What are mode and user:group on
/var/log/mailman/?
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Description: OpenPGP digital
hat that parameter should be. I suggest
> you add this to your document.
I've updated the FAQ. Thanks again.
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include the other configure options you used.
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ou try it, I'd appreciate feedback.
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On 9/16/20 12:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 9/16/20 11:10 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> On to the next layer of the onion. After the install I get this:
>>
>> #./check_perms -f
>> WARNING: directory does not exist: @PID_DIR@
>> W
On 9/16/20 12:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> configure should have replaced the things @PID_DIR@, @CONFIG_DIR@,
> @LOCK_DIR@, @QUEUE_DIR@ and @LOG_DIR@ with actual paths.
>
> I think you need to provide options like
> --with-pid-dir=/var/run/mailman/ -- with-config-dir=/etc/mai
igure with
options ..., and anything else. With that info, I will create a FAQ for
RHEL/CentOS analogous to the Debian/Ubuntu one at
<https://wiki.list.org/x/17891606>. Actually, I'm starting to work ion
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sort by latest first, or use your browser's find in
page function.
It doesn't seem that difficult for me if I know what I'm looking for.
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you to make a proposal to mailman-ca...@python.org. I suggested
what I thought it should include. I don't think I said it had to include
all that. See my follow=up at
<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/WS5ISNCEOGKEJRJNO3FCXFBCXMJY5ADC/>.
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On 9/15/20 12:28 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/15/2020 3:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> If you are in the directory that you unpacked the Mailman 2.1.34 tarball
>> into, do
>>
>> patch -p1 < /path/to/mailman-FHS.patch
>>
>>
> Hi Mark,
>
mmand (i.e. check_perms)? I also assume I need to use -u.
If you are in the directory that you unpacked the Mailman 2.1.34 tarball
into, do
patch -p1 < /path/to/mailman-FHS.patch
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It needs to be applied before running configure as it patches configure.
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athy are his proprietary work and he has valid
reasons for not licensing their use by others.
Would you care to elaborate on why you think interacting with HK is "an
abysmal time waste"?
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At a minimum, you need to configure with the options
`--prefix=/usr/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman`, but
there are other things changed in configure itself by the patch to get
things installed in the proper places.
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.
This also requires other mm_cfg.py settings. See
<https://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html>.
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> List Manager.
> Sep 14 10:31:12 harmonia.csd.net systemd[1]: Unit mailman.service
> entered failed state.
> Sep 14 10:31:12 harmonia.csd.net systemd[1]: mailman.service failed.
>
> I don't understand the permissions denied error.
I suspect this is a SELinux i
otential group of Mailman 2.1 developers either fork the project in
which case, they can do whatever they want with their fork, or if they
want to commit changes to the Mailman 2.1 branch on Launchpad that they
be willing to take over the entire job.
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uldn't be having this conversation at all. And, I don't see what
use there is of just updating the branch on Launchpad without making
releases.
You may have ideas about how this can work without all that. That's why
I think we want to see and discuss your proposal.
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OK, I'm back and more or less caught up so I'm ready to continue this
discussion.
In his initial post in this thread, Jim suggests that he and others want to
join the Mailman Coders team on Launchpad in order to commit to the Mailman 2.1
branch there. In a thread on the merge proposal that
m, but there are
apparently no matching files so the shell just passes the literal
"mailman-*.timer" as X and systemctl enable $X complains.
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to
> be making a mess of it. Once there I will have docs for it.
I don't know if this will help, but see
<https://wiki.list.org/x/8486953>. Also if you haven't, see
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.N/INSTALL.REDHAT where N in 2.1.N is the
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ne of the supported OAuth2
providers, an account will be created and you don't need to "sign up".
I hope this helps.
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On 9/11/20 6:44 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> Thanks. So far it is looking good but I made one small change:
>
> ^from:\s*(
> I hope I did it right.
What you did is OK. It will match
From: Jane Doe
but a simpler way to do that is
^from:\s*(The highway is for gamblers,
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<https://wiki.list.org/x/8486953>,
<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-October/017343.html>
and the patch attached to the latter. The latter can also be found at
<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-develop...@python.org/message/TNSLSSV7KSJGXHZE5RWVCOPHZR5
On 9/10/20 12:13 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>
>> From:\s.*no-reply
>>
> Thanks again for the reply. Unfortunately that doesn't work either.
Try this in header_filter_rules
^from:\s*(
From: Jane Doe
and it won't match
From: juno-re...@example.com
From: no-reply...@example
g configure with the option --with-cgi-id=wwwrun and then `make
install`. See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030645>.
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rs
actually ask to join the GNU Mailman project as members.
Note: within the hour I am going off-line for 12 days so you won't hear
more from me for a while.
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give serious consideration to anything you
propose, but we haven't seen a proposal yet.
Please stop painting me as an obstructionist who wants to kill Mailman
2.1. I do not think that's a fair characterization.
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ed by Jim Popovitch and
Phil Pennock
See
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/NEWS#L1070>.
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y fork the project and hope that their
fork becomes the accepted source for Mailman 2.1.x.
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n 3.1 is buggy."
>
> I am pretty sure that documentation is old.
Yes, it is was old. I just updated it to better reflect the current state.
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wnside to
enabling VERP for better bounce recognition with the setting
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
That setting is sufficient to VERP all messages which ensures each SMTP
transaction has only one recipient.
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me change made to
Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or possibly Mailman/Defaults.py although you should
never change that) that created a Python syntax error.
Try as the Mailman user to cd to the Mailman directory and do
python -c 'import mm_cfg'
That should give you more information as to the actual problem.
owever, even an admin can't subscribe a
banned address. To add new members, you'd need to first remove the match
all pattern from the ban_list and then add it back.
This changes in Mailman 3. In MM 3, banned addresses can't post either.
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On 8/11/20 1:21 PM, Andy Cravens wrote:
>
> I have three questions:
>
> First, If I run the prune_arch command to remove archives older than a year,
> is this going to take minutes, hours or days to complete?
minutes.
> In one post Mark Sapiro states that prune_arch lo
From: Las Vegas Community of Christ
> Date: 8/2/2020 9:09:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Deleting List swimc.org
> To: Mark Sapiro
>
> Hi Mark,
> After some time I finally did figure out the role newqwestmailman and I did
> go to them. After much study they said th
the fact that they all use some version of Mailman software.
The "bouncing emails" that I'm asking to see should have information
that will allow me to identify where they are coming from, and enable me
to offer further advice.
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On 8/8/20 1:40 PM, Johannes Rohr wrote:
> Am 08.08.20 um 21:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
>> On 8/8/20 6:47 AM, Johannes Rohr wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> As a quick fix I have now recoded the mailman.po for de to from latin1
>>> to utf8 and re-compiled it
APJ7AQTZTXGJGJW6DR>
for one thread on this.
[1] They appear to have removed
<https://sources.debian.org/patches/mailman/1:2.1.18-2/91_utf8.patch/>
from the latest packages. It was in their 1:2.1.23-1 package, but is not
in the 1:2.1.29-1 package.
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RL and email domains are the same, it doesn't matter and you can
just run fix_url as above.
Possibly, part of the underlying issue is changes being made in
Mailman/Defaults.py rather than Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Defaults.py gets
overwritten in an upgrade which is why changes should always be mad
eneral Options page
Host name this list prefers for email.
(Details for host_name) ...
Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030592> and
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Defaults.py.in#L67>.
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/wiki.list.org/x/4030723>.
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ailman's error log indicating the exception with a traceback,
and possibly shunted messages. It might be a permissions issue in whish
case running Mailman's `check_perms -f` as root will probably fix it.
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give us more information to be able to help.
Alternatively, if this is by chance a cPanel managed server, can you log
in to your control panel? If so, there should be a Mailman section there
from which you can delete the list.
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/dist-packages/dns \
/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/
or you can run mailman's configure with the option
--with-python /usr/bin/python
First, I would run both
/usr/bin/python --version
/usr/local/bin/python --version
to see which is newer and use the newer one.
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ps.
Otherwise, you may have more than one Python and dnspython is not
installed in the default one. What does
which -a python
show?
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