Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?

2006-02-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad Clearly, there is a benefit here to the Gmane users, Brad potentially even a commercial benefit. But what do they Brad contribute back to the larger Mailman community? I don't think that's a useful question to ask. Open source is

Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?

2006-02-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
jam == John A Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sjt I missed at least one of your posts, receiving Brad's reply sjt to it almost 24 hours in advance of your post. Even today sjt this is common for netnews. jam Sorry, Gmane is not netnews. Gmane is not Usenet. OK, so that's not

Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Matthew == Matthew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew I have a mailing list with users subscribed from two Matthew particular domains, call them nice.com and naughty.com. Matthew The security czars are naughty.com have decided that Matthew inbound email with naughty.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark == Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark The logical place to do all this is Mark Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. I don't understand this recommendation. Why not use a separate Handler in either the global pipeline (if it's an organizational installation) or the

Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problems - newlist-issues

2006-02-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark == Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Henrik wrote: On 2/24/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe someone put it in Defaults.py. Let's hope Mandrake is not distributing its package this way. They are, I'm afraid. Mark :-( With all due

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

2006-03-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad If anyone wants to see a more completely laid out and Brad fully explained discussion of why Goodmail is such a bad Brad idea, please see http://www2.dearaol.com/faq and Brad http://www2.dearaol.com/blog. *sigh* I see

Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating htdig

2006-03-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jeff == Jeff Donsbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeff Based on the lack of traffic to the mailman3-dev mailing Jeff list, is it a safe assumption that Mailman3 development is Jeff stalled? (Please, devs, don't take this as criticism. It is Jeff just a question). No. Besides

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

2006-03-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad At 3:07 PM +0900 2006-03-02, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: *sigh* I see lots of explanation of why this is going to hurt legitimate bulk emailers there, but ... isn't that obvious? OTOH, very little about how it hurts

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

2006-03-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Harold == Harold Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harold Do you really have a *policy* to accept messages that you Harold will never deliver, save them to disk, and then generate Harold reject messages for them? As I read his post, indeed he does. He wants legitimate posters to be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

2006-03-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Harold == Harold Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harold The problem is that we are making net.messes by Harold automatically replying to junk. It would be nice to see a Harold general fix. Well, there isn't one.[1] Take the case in point. Your solution is also a hack in that it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

2006-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dave == Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You understand that and I understand that, but I don't think it's easy to grasp from the pages whose URLs you posted. What _is_ easy to grasp is that bulk emailers who have been getting a certain level of QoS for free are now

Re: [Mailman-Users] 1 email for multiple email-list recipients onsame server?

2006-03-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Patrick == Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patrick On 3/9/06, Matt England [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and this seems to be the trickiest part: which list becomes the primary one. I can envision straightforward (even though they are not easy to implement solutions)

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 7:50 PM -0400 2006-04-28, Barry Warsaw wrote: Whatever else we decide, I don't agree, or at least, it won't help us. $3.6.6 says that Resent-* headers are to be added by a user. It also says that these are purely informational

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
William == William D Tallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William How does the RFC, or the writers thereof, define user? They don't. IMHO (there are those more expert than I on this list) anything that is normally expected to touch the headers or body of a message is a user for the purpose of

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
William == William D Tallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:11:22PM +0900, Stephen William J. Turnbull wrote: I don't think that is the way that RFC writers in general think. William Yes, so I gather. :-) William Which means that people

Re: [Mailman-Users] stat deferred and connection reset

2006-05-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Vikram == Vikram Goyal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vikram May 7 05:07:16 ip-68-178-242-231 sendmail[12991]: Vikram k474oTaH027069: to=Several Emails, delay=06:48:40, Vikram xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=15687906, Vikram relay=someserver.net, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:

Re: [Mailman-Users] MM lists on Gmane

2006-09-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 5:09 PM -0400 9/18/06, John A. Martin quoted JC Dill: Where are those restrictions expressed. I do not see them at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users. I do not see them in either the subscription challenge mail nor in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Difficulties with mailman 2.1.5

2006-11-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: One thing that would help is if your ISP was running the latest version of Mailman -- we're now on version 2.1.9. There have been a At 3:10 PM -0500 11/17/06, Alan McConnell wrote: Yes. My question, addressed to you, or to any Debian experts here is:

[Mailman-Users] Using spam filters on subject line

2006-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bob McLeran writes: Using Mailman 2.1.9 as a list administrator. Trying to block posts with string test in the subject line but would like to automatically approve certain subjects with the same string, such as testing engine components - is this possible under either Header

Re: [Mailman-Users] Using spam filters on subject line

2006-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bob McLeran writes: We're trying to stop emails with the string test - and that works with the filter subject: test currently. What I'd like to do is to be able to create a rule that would allow a legitimate subject line, like testing NMEA circuit which includes the string test to go

Re: [Mailman-Users] mbox files

2006-12-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Paul Tomblin writes: Is there any way to make arch smarter about ^From lines? Yes, but it's not a good idea to put it in the distribution, at least not without a lot of careful hedging about and making it an option defaulting to off. You can't even being sure that From_ lines will be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

2006-12-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: I've never claimed to be a Debian expert, and if they're mucking about with packages that include certain features by default in order to remove those features, then there's not much I can do to help the poor souls that are stuck with that kind of stuff. That's

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: Brad Knowles wrote: We can tell you what the Mailman-standard was is to start them, but Apple has created their own code to manage this aspect of Mailman operations and they haven't shared that with us. Apple does provide the source code for their mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: Nothing wrong with that. It's why open source is so nice. I have the choice to find vendors and projects that share more of my values than others may. If FHS compliance is really important to you, you'll like the Red Hat mailman packages. The problem is that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoingmessagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Todd Zullinger writes: I agree that if someone comes here with questions that are obviously very dependent on some customization that their vendor has made that they should be directed to check with the vendor. (Same goes for users who need more basic help learning to use their OS of

Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

2006-12-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Then, the question is why doesn't bin/check_perms -f fix it? Are you running this as root? This may have improved more recently, but sometimes I've had to run check_perms -f more than once. -- Mailman-Users mailing list

[Mailman-Users] problem tracking down discard reason

2006-12-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ron Brogden writes: The administrator gets a discard notice but there is no mention of specifically why the message was discarded. Is there any option anyone is aware of to make logging of discards more verbose? Unlike the Hold exception, the Discard exception contains no information

[Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line

2006-12-26 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Noah writes: any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following error trace in /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about every hour or so or sometimes minutes apart. Probably for the same reason you repeatedly post to Mailman Users: it wants attention to its pain. For future

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post

2006-12-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Noah writes: 7) Logs. The incoming post email to announce arrives and sendmail dumps a line or two to /var/log/sendmail to acknowledge receipt of the email. If you can post the relevant log entries, that might be helpful. (Of course be careful that you're not revealing anything

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post

2006-12-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Noah writes: thanks for following up. we just solved the problem. Good! it was a misused wildcard in the mailman filter rules. I might have missed it but it feels like there is not enough verbose output in the mailman logs files to tell me that a message was filtered and an entry

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: If you have Mailman questions, we should be able to help with those. But we can't provide support for OS-specific issues. However, members of this list often do; eg, this thread got 3 answers. How about starting an OS-specific section of the FAQ, similar to the MTA

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: However, members of this list often do; eg, this thread got 3 answers. Of which two were We can't help you with OS-specific issues, Of course. My point is that people do respond, not that it's very helpful; I'm looking for ways to save some of that effort.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Challenge/response

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: Challenge/response is one of the most vile inventions that has ever been applied to the concept of Internet e-mail. *chuckle* I wouldn't go so far, since the spam that evoked it is far worse, but I'm steadfastly opposed to challenge-response. If you absolutely *must*

Re: [Mailman-Users] Challenge/Response

2007-02-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bob Morse writes: The problem remains, however: How do I prevent spoofing? In this case they have a real fear due to a board member who is soon to be ejected from the board and have organizational membership taken away. They feel he is capable (both emotionally and technically) of major

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages got stuck in in queue due to one badmessage

2007-02-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: 2. Why this message didn't get moved to shunt directory? I don't know why it didn't shunt. At least in earlier implementations of the email lib and Mailman, the original parse of the message was not enclosed in the shunt mechanism, so the exception got caught by the

[Mailman-Users] Getting users off old listserv

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
heathcliff writes: We are all set to migrate our user community to Mailman, but we are at an impasse as to the most painless way to do this. It is not enough to just inform them of the cut off date and send them a few lines of instructions or guides ahead of time. Has anyone come

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal character user names

2007-03-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: I understand the point about good practice, and we do try to validate user input in Mailman to avoid possible XSS attacks via the web interface. What we're dealing with here are syntactically validated email addresses so the really nasty stuff has already been caught.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Language encoding and digests...

2007-04-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Krystal writes: Has anyone here ever attempted to use EUC-JP encoding along with digests? I recently ran into an issue with a list whom was using Japanese as they're language, and the digest mbox file actually caused any other list on that server to not receive digests and I have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Language encoding and digests...

2007-04-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: At 12:10 PM +0900 4/6/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: In the short run, you probably should disable digestible for that list. Mailman's I18N is not very robust in this respect, and it may take some time to fix. More importantly, I'm not sure where

[Mailman-Users] Two Problems with Mailman

2007-04-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The second is not really a problem, but a request. Is there any way to sort the archives by date in descending order rather than ascending order? It makes no sense for the newest posts to be at the bottom of the list. This is a Your Mileage May Vary king of

[Mailman-Users] confirmation problems

2007-04-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bill Bedford writes: I am getting a number of confirmations failing with SMTP errors similar to this Out: 220 mousa.uk.com ESMTP Postfix Your mailer is Postfix, good ... In: HELO smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Out: 250 mousa.uk.com In: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Out: 250 Ok

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: It isn't AFAICT. I was going to add it, but I am looking for a specific RFC reference. I have looked at several RFCs and I don't see anything that talks about rewriting domains in headers. All I found was RFC 1123 (STD 3), sec 5.2.2 As Lucy van Pelt (The Doctor is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: | In the dot-atom form, this is interpreted as an Internet | domain name (either a host name or a mail exchanger name) as | described in [STD3, STD13, STD14]. In particular, note that it says host name or mail exchanger name, and specifically

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: I have added FAQ 6.22 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.022.htp. Look it over and comment/fix as appropriate. Basic format, especially the length, looks good to me. Two suggestions: my feeling is that the first line should mention the *places*

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: [[ Aside: I was on the DRUMS working group for a while, Thank you! ]] The MTA needs to rewrite headers that the MTA needs to rewrite. The question is which headers should the MTA be rewriting? RFC 2821 section 3.8.4 (IIRC) mandates that gateways rewrite non-FQDN

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: Two suggestions: my feeling is that the first line should mention the *places* where replacement has been observed (envelope address, RFC 2822 addresses, whatever). It may be my anti-histamine-fogged

Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosts

2007-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: At 4:25 PM +0900 4/12/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: And on which host? Ie, is it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] composes a message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the MTA at example.com is rewriting that to To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]? If so, it's purely a DNS issue

Re: [Mailman-Users] message archiving problem

2007-04-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rick Pasotto writes: It must be the default as I certainly haven't changed anything. On the default archiver (pipermail) in default configuration, the 60-hyphen separators are preserved intact in this test: http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-test/2007-April/04.html

Re: [Mailman-Users] message archiving problem

2007-04-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: I said in my first reply A single post should be archived as one message unless it containes lines beginning with From (*nix mbox separators), but I think the current archiver escapes extraneous From lines, so even these won't cause a single message to be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?

2007-04-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: Of course, if there isn't any other resource, then CPanel users are welcome to try to help each other through this list. +1 Such help might even leak into the FAQ occasionally. Maybe it's also time we set up a separate mailman-cpanel-users list, as well as a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?

2007-04-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is it possible for a Server Provider to dump the cPanel version of MM and do a source install that would work similar to the pre-package version?? Depends on what you mean by work similarly, of course. There are four points of view: list user, list admin, site

[Mailman-Users] Troubles with mailman+postfix

2007-04-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andrea S. Gozzi writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mail for lists.vp44.net loops back to myself Would somebody know how to fix this? You probably need to tell postfix that it accepts mail addressed to lists.vp44.net for local delivery. I would guess that the parameter is virtual_alias_domains in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Troubles with mailman+postfix

2007-04-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andrea S. Gozzi writes: 'relay_domains = lists.vp44.net' fixed it. Why is this a right way to do it? I would think that if it's all the same host you would want something to say I'll handle it, which is what mydestination does for real domains, and virtual_alias_domains does for virtual

Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

2007-04-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
David Southwell writes: the Mailman FAQ is a bit of a curates egg. Sometimes it seems like an FAQ but it often seems more like a personal blog That's a FAQ. Excerpts from mailing list posts, with those questions that are most frequently answered gradually acquiring improved wording and more

Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?

2007-04-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dragon writes: Actually no, those are not the best way to do this IMO. If ALL of the web pages were template-based, it would be a simple matter of defining the CSS you want in a CSS file and adding it to the page header. There's no reason why the programmatically generated pages can't

Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?

2007-04-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dragon writes: Yes, it could be done now, but it requires changes to the mailman code that generates the page. But the header I'm talking about is an *HTTP* header. It seems plausible that it requires only *one* change to the routine that marshals the headers or to the httpd configuration,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?

2007-04-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ivan Van Laningham writes: But the head element is not being produced in one place. I'm not talking about the HEAD element. Before the HTML, the gods have placed the HTTP headers. It seems reasonably likely that there is one place where an appropriate HTTP header could be inserted in all

Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists stop working

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rolf E. Sonneveld writes: today I have a similar (or the same?) problem. Running Mailman V2.1.9. Symptoms in my case: a new member (added with the command line utility add_members) is subscribed properly, the associated mail address gets a welcome message (so far so good), but mail to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists stop working

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: When the post is delivered, there will be an entry in logs/smtp for each batch of deliveries (usually one per remote host, or one per user if personalization or VERP is being used). Actually, if nothing goes wrong, there will be only

Re: [Mailman-Users] Quick question about spam filtering

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: In header_filter_rules, put the following regexp. ^from:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't that going to lose on (1) Bogus Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] and on (2) ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] maiman, problem with greek characters

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Yes! base64 is a standard MIME encoding which the recipient's MUAs should recognize. Why do the recipients have difficulty reading a base64 encoded message? Because they use non-conforming MUAs localized to the environment. These MUAs are typically popular with users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Placing a copyright notice in list messages.

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dragon writes: Mark Sapiro sent the message below at 12:20 4/27/2007: Brandon Sussman wrote: Can a copyright notice containing the sender's name be automatically placed in regular mailman list messages? However, is this even a good idea at all. I've got to agree with Mark, I

[Mailman-Users] Number of message limits by web hosting services

2007-04-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
John W Gintell writes: Many of the web hosting services that offer mailman place a limit on the number of messages/hour that a given domain can deliver. This is presumably done to avoid saturating their servers. If you exceed the limit, they just ignore some of the recipients. If

Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists stop working

2007-04-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not have direct access to the list server system; I am working through our ISP's support service. Any suggestions for what I can tell them to look for I'd suggest just giving them this address. Support implies that they know what they are doing, and will do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists stop working

2007-04-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: This can be tricky. LOG_DIR is defined in Defaults.py in terms of VAR_PREFIX. If VAR_PREFIX is redefined in mm_cfg.py, this will not redefine LOG_DIR as LOG_DIR was already defined in Defaults.py in terms of the Defaults.py definition of VAR_PREFIX. 2.1.9's

[Mailman-Users] Attachments - archives and encoding problems

2007-05-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
John Papapanos writes: Is there a solution to the broken link ? This is not a problem that can be solved. Mailman (or some other mail program) here is conforming to the recommendation in the standards that lines in mail bodies be broken at a reasonable length. Since this behavior is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - archives and encoding problems

2007-05-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mailman developers: I've submitted a bug on the SF tracker (what, no Jira yet?) #1712034. What I write below is all I've got for now, and it's on the tracker; bug/patch traffic will followup to the tracker. Reply-To set to mailman-users. John Papapanos writes: Here is a URL where I created a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Broken signature because of multipart/alternative

2007-05-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Wilfred Gasper writes: Thank you for this description. So there's nothing I can do against it like using another version of Python? Well, another version of Python won't do. You need another version of the Internet. According to RFC 2822, Subject: a few words Subject: a few words

[Mailman-Users] STARTTLS problem: 454 4.3.0 TLS not available due to local problem

2007-05-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Deboo ^ writes: I'm getting the above erro when I try to telnet in to my newly installed/configured postfix with TLS. I searched on google for this exact error but didn't get any solution. I got the info that thsi problem is due to the certs. I double checked the paths to the certs

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Lines Wrapped After Commas, (Like This?)

2007-05-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: case, it is done by the underlying Python email library, and all three of the above folded subjects should unfold to essentially the same thing (i.e., the MUA should remove the inserted crlftab) AFAIK the standard implies but does not say that a single CRLF is to be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Lines Wrapped After Commas, (Like This?)

2007-05-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: I agree that the current state isn't correct, but the right place to fix this is in the email package, so the discussion really should be moved to Python's email-sig. I thought about that ... but I certainly hope that people who have opinions about this will join,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Lines Wrapped After Commas, (Like This?)

2007-05-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: The problem is that the people who can fix this problem are over on the list that Barry identified. Any discussion anywhere else is not likely to go anywhere, at least not as far as Python Mailman are concerned. So, get your experts to go have the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Splitting Subject

2007-05-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lloyd F. Tennison writes: I saw that, but it is not really an answer as te problem is that it is inserting a TAB, not whitespace, and that is what is causing the problem. A carriage return and spaces would be fine. The tab is what most clients cannot handle. Carl's reply

[Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected

2007-05-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Leonard Jacobs writes: delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') I am also seeing many Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid errors. This seems likely to be either a Postfix problem, or maybe you've caught a social disease (ie, a

[Mailman-Users] Using wget to turn digest mode on/off

2007-05-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Curtis Preston writes: But that doesn't authenticate. On the real web side, it works if you authenticate FIRST with another page, then call the user's options page after you're authenticated as the admin, but I don't think I can do that with wget. Dunno if it will get you where you want

Re: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there

2007-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Juan Miscaro writes: My MTA is rejecting with a 550 (user does not exist): No, it would appear that it is in an error state, closing the connection before receiving and acknowledging a QUIT command (required by RFC 2821, section 4.1.1.10): $ tail -600 smtp-failure | grep example Jun 09

Re: [Mailman-Users] post formatting and timing

2007-06-26 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: I don't know if there is a standard that says your MUA 'should' recognize a single LF in the decoded text as a line break, Since it's in UTF-8, Unicode does, Technical Annex #14. Conformance is required by Unicode 4.0. Of course if the MUA doesn't claim conformance to

[Mailman-Users] Blank Characters Removed from Subject: Line

2007-06-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Finkel writes: I am running Mailman 2.1.9. I have a list where one posting has a Subject: line: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible Antivirus Problems The next posting in the thread has: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with

Re: [Mailman-Users] Taboo body?

2007-06-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Implementation of a custom handler to take action on a message based on pattern matches on the message body would not be difficult, but I don't know if anyone has done it. If you need something that's somewhat automatically extensible, the SpamBayes package is written

Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank Characters Removed from Subject: Line

2007-06-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: But, the fact remains that there are many commonly used MUAs that drop a whitespace character in unfolding and there's not much we can do about that. I wonder if they're better with RFC 2047. That is, suppose we rendered Subject: Pretend this is a long field as

[Mailman-Users] specific (1) LHS and (2) sender rules to frustrate spam/phishing

2007-06-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rich Kulawiec writes: Any incoming mail message whose putative sender matches: do-not-reply@ and which is directed to any of the Mailman standard aliases can be rejected (not bounced [1]) with SMTP status 550 (extended status 5.7.1) since either: (a) it's a forgery,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman roadmap

2007-07-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Michael Kabot writes: I would love to help, but afraid my Python experience is non existent. If you have coded in any language, well, Python is very readable. Try reading the Mailman code, starting with the email module. If you like, then help with the code. If it leaves you cold,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Content Filtering Scrubs PDF Attachment

2007-07-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: However, do keep in mind that spammers have recently latched onto the fact that most people do seem to let *.PDF files through, although I'm not sure what MIME type these messages are being tagged with. FWIW, in a sample of 10 recent .pdf spams, all had extension

[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification - Out-of-Office

2007-07-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Finkel writes: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, This is the relevant case here. If the message doesn't look like an MTA bounce, it's probably a bad idea to treat it as a bounce. ML admin addresses get a fair

[Mailman-Users] Spam

2007-08-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jewel Makda writes: I am receiving spam from a listserv on my server and I am not even subscribed to it. The spam is not getting through to the list members which is a good thing. The name of the list is: maineattorneys-l and sometimes the email will be to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mailman-Users] Subscribing to my list

2007-08-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Julie Zbeetnoff writes: After not getting any response and not being able to send out to my list for over 24 hours. I decided to test the subscription option. I did not receive confirmation to join my own list but rather I received a confirmation to join this mailman list which I

[Mailman-Users] Mailman charset problems

2007-09-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Pál Viktor writes: I have a problem with the mailman web interface output. I use the hungarian translation, which should be generated as an ISO-8859-2 html file, but it generates an UTF-8 output. I have checked the text files which are related to the web output and they are all in

[Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gary Spivey writes: former, does somebody have a recommended way to stop them? I have a SPAM filter running on my end system, but I am just tired of the constant flow of SPAM. There's no recommended way. As Mark says, only a choice of evils. The basic problem that we face is that email

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: If (3) interests you, I can go into more detail about my solution, but I gotta run right now. BTW, #1 and #2 are also issues for e-mail to Postmaster, which is covered in the SAGE Booklet Internet Postmaster: Duties

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: giving them some reasonable protection against loss of revenue due to the material being freely available in an electronic form. You may not call that proprietary, but that's precisely the definition of proprietary that one arrives at when observing the behavior of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: If I had mentioned a book that I wrote or co-authored, or a book that I had been technical reviewer of (e.g., 2nd editions of the O'Reilly books _DNS BIND_ and _sendmail_) and I provided a link to the publishers web page for the book, would you have done anything

[Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
J.R. Constance writes: I have been working through the instrucitons available at http:// www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ I believe these instructions are pretty old, and SpamAssassin has evolved significantly since then. I get the following: warn: Unknown option: a

Re: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers

2007-10-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steve Campbell writes: I will do my best to train the users, but for now, I have just added a note in the footer to avoid the Reply to All. Of course, no one read footers, but what the heck. Note that Mailman also allows headers, which people will notice. Of course you don't want that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman

2007-10-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote: He's Greek. I'll bet he has users putting raw ISO-8859-7 in the headers. Look for illegal character isn't ascii errors in the logs (something like that, I forget exactly how it's spelled).

Re: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers

2007-11-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
zbigniew szalbot writes: I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin but when I run list_pending adwent I get list_pending: command not found is /usr/local/mailman/bin on your PATH? -- Mailman-Users mailing list

[Mailman-Users] settings in the from field

2007-11-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mervyn Kahn writes: How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of the following [EMAIL PROTECTED]; on behalf of; Teamepasella [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't; this is a bug in the user's mail program, probably Outlook. The most straightforward approach is to tell

[Mailman-Users] A question about Non-member filters

2007-11-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Park writes: My question is what does the Reason Message has implicit destination mean? The list was BCC'd, and therefore doesn't appear in the message headers. There are various caveats and features that need to be accounted for, but that's the basic idea.

Re: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError during Archive Obscuring

2007-11-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: Tokio Kikuchi wrote: File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, line 579, in as_text atmark = unicode(_(' at '), Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang)) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)

[Mailman-Users] thread-throttling (feature idea, needs more thought)

2007-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Popovitch writes: What if Mailman had a thread-throttling feature where after a preset number of posts, further posts (with same msgid or Subject, etc.) would automatically induce a queuing delay. I think this would just lead to people mail-bombing the admins instead of the list. :-)

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails

2007-12-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Cyndi Norwitz writes: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:49:30 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin is much better integrated in the MTA ahead of Mailman, but if they want to integrate SpamAssassin with Mailman at some point, refer them to

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