Re: [Mailman-Users] [Suspected Spam]Re: Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

On 4/21/2018 11:51 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I also wonder what Chinese immigration authorities would think of a fwknop app on an iPhone They'll send your users to a re-education camp where they can learn about possession of restricted/illegal tech. Where they will also not have

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

On 9/15/2020 2:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 9/15/20 10:44 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: I guess I don't know how to use patch. Better documentation would be helpful. man patch? In all fairness, as I recall "-p" isn't explained all that well. The diff file has paths to file(s) to patch,

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/13/2020 7:20 PM, dean.coll...@insightplanners.com wrote: Yay! Most useless, uninformative post of the day! Are you reading he same mailing list I do? And if yes, the follow-up question: did you notice the threads on getting MM2 to work on centos 7, RedHat 8, and did you ever stop to

[Mailman-Users] Re: options page for this list?

On 9/2/2020 9:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I'm not sure why you can't get a password reset. That's probably a bug (although there's a school of thought that if you have alternative secure credentials, adding a password is a bad idea). I couldn't get to mine either recently, I didn't get

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/13/2020 11:01 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: (really just who is the Cabal these days?) There Is No Lumber Cartel. HTH, HAND -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/13/2020 6:17 PM, Chip Davis wrote: Ironically, I was writing in support of Mark's and Stephen's position on the matter.  As a member of Mark's cohort, the odds are I'll never need a "New! Improved!" MM2, or MM3. You wish: at some point "they" will upgrade the hardware and/or the OS to

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 8/26/2020 4:05 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: You are all looking at the wrong thing here. The real question here is why are you not wanting to move to a Mailman 3 environment? It's not hard to install anymore. It has a future. It is modern. It as a long life expectancy and, most importantly,

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 8/26/2020 7:26 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: On 8/26/20 8:13 PM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote: Python $version code has a long life expectancy? Wow. When did that happen? Wonderful contribution to this conversation. The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life expectancy "be

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 8/27/2020 3:27 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Dmitri Maziuk writes: > The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life expectancy > "because python 3" is not in any way, shape, or form supported by the > history of the python programming language

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 8/27/2020 12:41 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 2020-08-27 13:15, Rich Kulawiec wrote: 3. Captchas are a worst practice in security and should never be used. They can be and are defeated at will by any adversary who wants to trouble themselves to do so. They're also user-hostile. There are

[Mailman-Users] Re: Archive Issue

On 9/17/2020 1:50 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: admin(24458): OSError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/rushtalk' ICBW but files in public/ should be symlinks to subdirs in private/ i.e. public/rushtalk should be a symlink to private/rushtalk and not a directory.

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/17/2020 3:59 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: ... The writing has been on the wall for Python2 for nearly ten years. The EOL date has already been extended five years. It's time to let it go. The big concern du jour in science community is: can you take your scripts from 10 years ago and

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/19/2020 11:50 AM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: I'm pretty sure that's pure FUD. I'm not the expert on mailman that most of you are, but I can think of no reason for mailman itself to ever speak HTTP or SMTP, and therefore no reason for it to need to do TLS. I'd be very surprised at anyone

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2 and postfix problem

On 9/14/2020 7:34 PM, Steven Jones wrote: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table Mailman aliases are not there. Assuming aaa-ste...@lists.victoria.ac.nz is the list address of course. They should be included in /etc/postfix/main.cf in "alias_maps =

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2 and postfix problem

Oh wait, did you say RH8? -- /etc/mailman is where "stock" mailman RPM puts mailman "config" files on RedHat. If you aren't using a stock RPM you need to figure out where you have mailman's aliases and include that instead. Dima --

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2 and postfix problem

On 9/14/2020 8:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 9/14/20 6:07 PM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote: Mailman aliases are not there. Assuming aaa-ste...@lists.victoria.ac.nz is the list address of course. They should be included in /etc/postfix/main.cf in "alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/ma

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

On 9/17/2020 9:24 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: FYI, here is a decent comparison of Django vs Flask: https://hackr.io/blog/flask-vs-django In the article, this was said: "Django is suited for bigger projects that need a lot of functionality. For simpler projects, the features might be an

[Mailman-Users] Re: Manual Update on Centos 7 (RH)

On 9/16/2020 2:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 9/16/20 12:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: configure should have replaced the things @PID_DIR@, @CONFIG_DIR@, @LOCK_DIR@, @QUEUE_DIR@ and @LOG_DIR@ with actual paths. I think you need to provide options like --with-pid-dir=/var/run/mailman/ --

[Mailman-Users] Re: Can I make mailman archive the bounce messages it has processed?

On 6/11/2020 11:16 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 6/11/20 8:23 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: The reason for the bounce will be contained in the outgoing SMTP logs. This is true only if the message is rejected upon delivery from Mailman's outgoing MTA. In some cases, the first hop MX will accept the

[Mailman-Users] Re: What to do when hosting providers frequently gets listed on an RBL

On 2021-06-05 3:31 PM, Christian Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: Hello Mark Sapiro. On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 12:44:52 -0700, you wrote: In the past, Brian Carpenter of EMWD would have responded by now with an offer to support your list and help move it, but tragically, Brian recently died from a

[Mailman-Users] Re: MM2: Archive search function for a private list?

On 2021-03-29 1:00 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: There is an up to date branch at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ that integrates the htdig search engine with Mailman 2.1. A bit "heavier" and batteries not included, but I was thinking

[Mailman-Users] Re: GNU Mailman condemns reinstatement of RMS

IANA healthcare professional, but this one obviously is... inappropriate for technical list. Could we possibly moderate s/h/it away? On 2021-04-13 8:01 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in

[Mailman-Users] Re: illegal BOM

On 2022-02-03 4:47 PM, Christian via Mailman-Users wrote: Hello Mark Sapiro. On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 14:31:11 -0800, you wrote: ... This is the only header in the message that looks suspicious. I suspect the `?` characters are actually non-ascii characters in an unencoded header and that's the

[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman data backup

On 2022-01-25 5:27 PM, Steven Jones wrote: Hi, Also the way I understand how MTAs work is postfix or whatever you are using should hold the email if Mailman is offline while you are backing up? Once mailman is backup postfix should deliver? If the MDA returns a temporary failure and the

[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly

On 11/4/23 14:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh.  Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let

[Mailman-Users] Re: group mismatch

On 2022-05-16 3:31 PM, Bill Cole wrote: ... SpamAssassin can be used as a milter during the SMTP transaction or as a filter in the delivery pipeline via a delivery agent like procmail. Using procmail is generally suboptimal, but it may be the only mechanism available for an end user to deploy

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman2 issue - "Your message was rejected"

On 2022-09-27 11:16 PM, Yuki Nie wrote: default_member_moderation = True member_moderation_action = 1 //# Note that for member_moderation_action, 0==Hold, 1=Reject, What do these do? Dima -- Mailman-Users

[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

On 10/20/2022 12:13 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Dima, Well, no, I'm not sure...  This would be something approaching ironic. The group started out on Yahoo Groups, was there for 19 years, then its Yahoo that starts filtering the same group name they allowed for two decades.

[Mailman-Users] Re: AOL -- Automatically Sending List to Spam Folder

On 2022-10-19 3:44 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: *It looks like AOL is now automatically adding our Clinicians Exchange list messages to the Spam Folder. Are you sure it's not filtering on "s-ex"? Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list

[Mailman-Users] Re: Search box for archives

On 2022-09-11 8:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: However, looking at the two files, I see references to: I suppose in my case this too has to be modified to reflect the correct path. With my MM2 installed in /usr/local/mailman2/ the above path then should become "/mailman/cgi-bin/search" ??

[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman2 issue - "Your message was rejected"

On 2022-09-29 1:19 AM, Yuki Nie wrote: Is there any other ways to check whether the issue is due to "member_moderation_action"? I think if you add moderation messages and see if you get one in the bounce, that'll tell you if our suspicion is correct and it's bouncing due to a moderation

[Mailman-Users] Re: B.S. With Google Yellow Boxes and GNU Mailman

On 2022-08-02 1:43 PM, Michael Reeder LCPC -- Hygeia Regular wrote: ... DKIM:?? 'FAIL' with domain gmail.com ... > b) Anything I can ask Dream Host to do as they have admin rights on > the server Tell them you need a DKIM DNS record for clinicians-exchange.org. Hopefully that gets to

[Mailman-Users] Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?

On 2023-07-17 4:36 PM, Steven Jones wrote: Hi, I feel the same way, hence still running Mailman2 (on RHEL8). It is simple and low CPU hit, however Red Hat stops it support in May 2024. Containers are really useful where done well but I tried 2 or times to get mailman3 going on RHEL9 with

[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

On 2023-07-17 7:24 PM, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote: P.S. It seems BIZARRE to me that we have the good ole cc and gcc that just work after however many decades Well... they have flags that I think maybe will still let them compile K C. C++, OTOH, is in many respects worse than python, and

[Mailman-Users] Re: rebuilding and replacing.

On 2023-05-05 2:57 PM, Jeffrey Westgate wrote: All installed, created a new list... and stopped. Not sure what I missed, but in 2.1.20, after a newlist is created, we get a block of all the required aliases to put in the /etc alias file Back in centos 7 + postfix we'd have them in a

[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

On 2/12/24 10:32, Carl Zwanzig wrote: On 2/12/2024 5:30 AM, Richard wrote: That's just silly: We've had "diff" for over THREE full decades now, to say nothing of the variants. And diff is going to fail for this, at least part of the time. The obvious solution is to have an empty footer,

[Mailman-Users] Re: Attach footer only once?

On 2/9/24 12:21, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... You could try putting a `-- ` line at the beginning of the footer to make it look like a signature. At least some MUAs do not include signatures in quoted material in replies. However if you have a signature and a footer, both delimited with "-- \n",

[Mailman-Users] Re: Sharing PHP or Scripts to a list

On 11/22/23 10:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... The web page created by pipermail encloses the body of the message in a ... block and html escapes it so any PHP, html tags, etc. will be displayed as written. You could probably disable php handler in archives dir in the httpd config too, for

[Mailman-Users] Re: Security features of Mailman

On 1/29/24 09:39, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote: Steve, Sron, et al: Regarding: "ensur[ing] a safe environment for email discussions" ...I would hope that all netizens are fully aware (and obviously not all are) that there is not and cannot be such a thing as "safe environment for email

[Mailman-Users] Re: Security features of Mailman

On 1/30/24 07:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: rich...@karmannghia.org writes: ... > Anyone who thinks their unencrypted emails are in any way secure on > the open internet is, unfortunately SADLY mistaken. This is true. Security by obscurity works up to a point, but if you ever get

[Mailman-Users] Re: Cloudmark blacklist

On 3/18/24 09:46, Jayson Smith wrote: Hi, Comcast/Charter (found out about that one Saturday night when trying to reply to a legit individual message) both reject the message as soon as a blocked server connects, you don't even get to say HELO. Microsoft, when they decide you're evil and put

[Mailman-Users] Re: Outlook blocked again, but strange response

On 3/12/24 11:40, Julian H. Stacey wrote: I'm interested what independent mailman-users@ think on technical issues of DKIM/SPF, but `advice' from fined monopolist google Not wanted. Search RISKS archives around the time SPF was introduced, that's about the earliest discussion I know of.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Exim in Ubuntu

. If I were doing this, I'd be tempted to try alpine w/ mailman from source. (We run centos 6 on servers and so far I don't see any upgrade path for them that involves either readhat- or debian-based distributions. In fact, *BSD looks like a better option than any of them at the moment.) --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Updated view on Sendmail integration

g because sendmail is full of bugs? -- Dmitri Maziuk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 S

Re: [Mailman-Users] Updated view on Sendmail integration

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:28:53 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Dmitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users writes: > > So basically unix user/group access model is wrong because sendmail > > is full of bugs? > > Please, Dmitri. All large software applications are full

Re: [Mailman-Users] How many abonents mailman can handle ?

a few thousand, we ended up importing them in smaller batches. -- Dmitri Maziuk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Sec

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler same as postfix-to-mailman.py

ibers posting rom their gmail instead of subscribed From: -- I want those to get moderated instead of bounced, b) it is of course subject to spoofing, and c) how much of a problem is it IRL? In our -- admittedly very lightly loaded -- domains, it's RBL and fail2ban that seem to provide best bang f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unexpected unsubscription confirmation emails

tion form on > their behalf in an attempt to remove them from the list. > > Is there any way for us to monitor these attempts? Short answer is it should be in your webserver log if it came via the web interface. -- Dmitri Maziuk -- Mailman-

Re: [Mailman-Users] email to sms?

On 2/27/2019 3:22 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Is there a collaborative or open source email to sms project? Can anyone refer me to better information? I've been pretty much just casting around so far. Google for nagios sms notifications. As I recall something was doable with a basic dialler

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending to prodigy.net mail server addresses

b0rk3d DNS is a common feature of spam. -- Dmitri Maziuk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead

ache 2.2 until 2034, and rebuilds are free as in beer. As long as MM2 is python 2.6-compatible, I'll be fine with it until well past retirement age. (No wonder they sold their pile of software to anyone silly enough to buy it.) -- Dmitri Maziuk -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead

loy host, and took a while to figure out and find a workaround. I mostly managed to suppress the memories of trying to upgrade openstack from nova to havana (or whatever they were called). -- Dmitri Maziuk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-User