On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:46:57 -0500
Joel Votaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm, the README says that script only currently works with
unsubscribe requests, but does not handle subscribe requests. Is
there any way to subscribe without supplying a password?
If you subscribe by mail as versus
-Original Message-
From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Computers are cheap. Bandwidth isn't necessarily cheap. I
run with a
very high chunking factor because my MTA properly handles it
But -- if this went away, what would it do to your bandwidth? Are you
On Sunday, June 17, 2001, at 06:21 AM, alex wetmore wrote:
Please don't make this assumption. It is true for the commonly used
Unix MTAs, but it is not true for all MTAs.
you're misreading what I was doing here -- I'm looking at this based on
how it goes over the wire, not how it's
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 01:19 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
CVR points. but we need to quantify what those points are and
CVR what the impact is, so we can decide just how to move forward
CVR on this.
I'd love to see any statistic you (or anybody) gathers on this
subject.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
For this 55%, the SMTP=1 is 6050K. For 100, it's 1711K bytes. That's 28%
of the first number, so we're cutting 72% of the bandwidth by chunking
at 100. The tradeoff is performance, though -- it takes a lot longer to
deliver those AOL addresses,
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:46:47 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 01:19 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
I would set Mailman's 2.1 default to have this turned ON...
Agreed.
Barry's mileage may vary on his preferences for default, of
course, and it's his
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:29:22 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:24 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
... it has to be in every message.
Really?
If it's not in the message the user is looking at when they make
the decision to unsubscribe, it's not very
On Saturday, June 16, 2001, at 12:58 AM, J C Lawrence wrote:
I'm also kinda keen on putting a themes engine on Mailman -- montly
a file-extracted form of headers/footers/tokens ala your mod_layout
thing.
sort of like my signature randomizer. kewl.
At some point, you have to decide it's
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:30 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
Would it be so bad if the Mailman FAQ/README read as follows?
If you are having performance problems and are using sendmail,
don't bitch to us.
I'd be more political about it.
Something like:
We have found that sendmail has
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 01:19 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
CVR so people know how to tune their systems. And if it's 60%,
CVR maybe we shouldn't do it..
CVR but we need to figure out what the impact is, and not guess
CVR or make assumptions...
I'd love to see any
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 10:10 AM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
I'm not so concerned about security. I figure that if we're crafting
a message for UserA, we can generate a unique url for that user to
click on to unsubscribe. Sure someone could intercept the email (and
probably does ;), but
BAW That's always seemed a big pill to swallow,
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CVR Is it really? Most of us are already setting that chunking
CVR factor very small (5-10) for performance purposes. Moving it
CVR from 10 to 1 isn't really all that
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:07 -0400
Barry A Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, or too curmudgeonly, but my
inclination would be to disable this by default, but allow a sys
admin to turn it on if they want.
Precisely -- an option in Defaults.py that an admin has
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:37 AM, J C Lawrence wrote:
Mailman has a large penetration in small under-weight systems/sites.
Its the whole -t-does-everything deal which is particularly
attractive to novice/small sites. I'd dislike seeing that quality
lost.
but will what we are
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:34 AM, J C Lawrence wrote:
VERP is interesting. I'd argue that allowing Mailman to only apply
VERP (or VERP-like techniques) to every Nth post to every Q'th list
member is the most interesting case, both for bounce handling and
human unsubscribe/listinfo
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
Is it really? Most of us are already setting that chunking factor very
small (5-10) for performance purposes. Moving it from 10 to 1 isn't
really all that significant, and it's only an issue where people are
already stressing server or network
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CVR to a good degree by programming to the lowest common
CVR denominator. Maybe it's time to re-think that, so we can take
CVR advantage of some features, while still keeping a 'generic'
CVR module for the other MTAs. that'd
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 01:38 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
When running majordomo lists, I always had the unsubscribe information
right in the message footer. Would it be so hard to do that with the
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe ?
we're talking about going beyond that, to
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:24 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
Me, I see VERP as an afterthought.
I tend to classify the various forms of do something member unique
to each message as VERP as they share similar system load issues.
I do the same, but it's a habit I'm trying to break, because
Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we've made the decision that all of our mail systems are going to be
sent individually. I'm planning on putting the subscribed address back
in the To: line
Where then will you put the list submission address? (Putting
it _only_ into List-Post:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:26 PM, alex wetmore wrote:
Computers are cheap. Bandwidth isn't necessarily cheap. I run with a
very high chunking factor because my MTA properly handles it
But -- if this went away, what would it do to your
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 03:26 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
Where then will you put the list submission address?
for the lists I'm talking about, thre is none. These are e-newsletters.
This isn't my mailman system. Sorry if it's not clear. This is my big
server.
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Chuq Von Rospach,
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