Lindsay Haisley writes:
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 15:34 -0500, Mike Starr wrote:
I know there aren't any teeth behind RFCs but it might at least get
their attention.
The real problem is that RFCs are based on working practice,
preferably acknowledged best practice. DMARC is an experiment
We are using the services from ultrahost.us There is no response from
Ultrahost team in spite of our several tickets loged. Is anyone
confronting the similar issue with them?
I think now we may again have to change the service provider where we
can get unlimited traffic with mailman as per the
That sounds a bit like what yahoo and google groups do. If there's a web forum
associated with the list then there'd be the option to simply not deliver to
yahoo members, and they can just use the web interface.
Peter Shute
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On 17 Apr 2014, at 1:39 pm, Stephen J. Turnbull
Larry Kuenning writes:
Query: On a very low-traffic mailing list (i.e. one where the list
admin doesn't think it too much trouble), would it be a reasonable
workaround for the list admin to paste the content of a
message-to-be-moderated (i.e. one From: a yahoo address) into a new
I am trying to understand how charset encoding works, and I get the
distinct idea that I must be missing one small, vital piece of
information.
Background: The problem arose as follows:
Somebody changed the footer of the EuroPython Mailing list which is hosted
at python.org to be:
EuroPython
Hi, Laura!
Laura Creighton writes:
But the Europython mailing list is configured so that its messages
come out
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
This isn't from the list or site configuration, this is from the
poster's mail user agent (MUA). The mailing list does not choose
On 04/17/2014 04:19 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
But unless I have overlooked something, there is no way to make a charset
change on a per-list basis through the mailman administrative interface.
Instead you have to edit mm_cfg.py
Correct.
Even if I had root access on python.org, I
On 04/17/2014 05:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mailman already has about 200 lines of logic to handle cases where the
footer charset is incompatible with the message's charset. Have you
tried simply changing the Python escape to a literal EN DASH in the
web interface? I hope Mailman is
I've searched the list and found enough related posts that this looks
like it should be simple just reinstall, hopefully with the original
PREFIX settings and probably diff the old and new mm_cfg.py files just
to catch all the changes/new features/etc.
I have visual problems so my eyes often go
In a message of Thu, 17 Apr 2014 05:41:15 -0700, Mark Sapiro writes:
The issue is msg_footer is assumed to be in the character set of the
list's language, us-ascii by default for English. I don't think Mailman
does the right thing in this case.
From my perspective, the problem is that by having
On Apr 17, 2014, at 03:54 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
Now that my problem has gone from 'getting the EP footers to work' to
'understanding what exactly is going on here'. And right now I do not
see why the charset for the lists' language has to be hard coded in
mm_cfg.py, nor why there has to be
On 04/17/2014 06:23 AM, Richard Shetron wrote:
I've searched the list and found enough related posts that this looks
like it should be simple just reinstall, hopefully with the original
PREFIX settings and probably diff the old and new mm_cfg.py files just
to catch all the changes/new
On Apr 17, 2014, at 04:27 AM, Jon 1234 wrote:
When is Mailman 3 expected to be released, very approximately?
We *are* going to do a beta release of the full suite after Pycon. I expect
there will be bugs and missing features, but we're hoping people will bang on
it and help us get to a good,
On 04/17/2014 06:54 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Thu, 17 Apr 2014 05:41:15 -0700, Mark Sapiro writes:
Now that my problem has gone from 'getting the EP footers to work' to
'understanding what exactly is going on here'. And right now I do not
see why the charset for the lists'
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 15:24 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Their understanding (and knowledge) of accepted best practices
regarding email and mailing lists is woefully limited.
I rather doubt that. The DMARC I-D has gone through several editions
(I-Ds have a life-span limited to 6
I can't answer your specific question but a number of years ago I
created a Yahoo account which required the creation of a Yahoo email
address. I have never used that email address nor have I divulged it to
anyone. Oddly enough, thousands of spam email addresses land in that
Yahoo email
In a message of Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:54:19 +0200, Laura Creighton writes:
In a message of Thu, 17 Apr 2014 05:41:15 -0700, Mark Sapiro writes:
The issue is msg_footer is assumed to be in the character set of the
list's language, us-ascii by default for English. I don't think Mailman
does the right
It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging
which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual,
working address for a post's author, while still passing DMARC
authentication, would be for Mailman to change the From: address to a
VERP-like address with
I see you've already responded, but there are a few things I'd like to
clarify.
Laura Creighton writes:
But you and I could quite easily both want English(USA) as the
default language for our lists, but you also want us-ascii while I
want utf-8. The way things stand now, we cannot both
Lindsey,
I have been following this thread with interest, and relieved that for our
list, all posts are moderated. We have determined to repost all messages
coming from Yahoo with our moderator's account.
To your question if VERP might be a partial answer, we are using VERP and
Full
On 04/17/2014 11:01 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging
which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual,
working address for a post's author, while still passing DMARC
authentication, would be for Mailman to
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 12:26 -0600, Terry Earley wrote:
I have been following this thread with interest, and relieved that for our
list, all posts are moderated. We have determined to repost all messages
coming from Yahoo with our moderator's account.
To your question if VERP might be a
Lindsay Haisley writes:
Stephen, thanks for your generous reply, and your insights. It
does seem to me, though, that when megabucks are riding on
additional bandwidth, and if Yahoo is serious about controlling
spam, they might start by putting some resources behind putting
their own
I am pleased to announce the first release candidate for Mailman 2.1.18.
Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.7 is recommended.
This release has new features to help with mitigation of the impacts of
DMARC on mailing lists.
There is also a new dependency associated with these
On 17 Apr 2014, at 04:27, Jon 1234 jon.1...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
From: rich...@damon-family.org
I have been (slowly) working on an module to integrate a mailing list to
a Drupal web site. My goal is to generate an archive that you can easily
find recent messages in, and then be able to reply
On 04/17/2014 11:32 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
I am pleased to announce the first release candidate for Mailman 2.1.18.
I neglected to emphasize that there are some new and some modified i18n
strings in this release.
I strongly encourage all interested people to look at these and submit
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 11:29 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 04/17/2014 11:01 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging
which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual,
working address for a post's author, while
Lindsay Haisley writes:
Mailman to change the From: address to a VERP-like address with the
author's address encapsulated within an address @ the list server.
Any mail received by the list server for this address would have
its address parsed by Mailman and be redirected to the original
On Apr 18, 2014, at 03:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Getting it right by design ... well, that's why we need Mailman 3.
And really, Python 3. The email package in Python 3.4 rocks.
-Barry
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On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 03:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Lindsay Haisley writes:
Mailman to change the From: address to a VERP-like address with the
author's address encapsulated within an address @ the list server.
Any mail received by the list server for this address would have
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 11:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
dnspython http://www.dnspython.org/
Mark, is this distinct from pydns at http://pydsn.sourceforge.net?
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote:
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 11:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
dnspython http://www.dnspython.org/
Mark, is this distinct from pydns at http://pydsn.sourceforge.net?
(not Mark), short answer yes. PyDNS and DNSPython are 2
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.orgwrote:
Lindsay Haisley writes:
Someone, maybe it was you, posted on this forum earlier that perhaps 90%
or more of spam with a yahoo.com origin (or one of their international
DNs) actually _does_ come from Yahoo
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 16:28 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
(not Mark), short answer yes. PyDNS and DNSPython are 2 different python
libs, the latter seems to be more popular.
Slightly confusing :)
import DNS[imports PyDNS]
import dns[imports DNSPython]
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From: t...@yingtong.co.uk
I have it working with Fudforum and although the fudforum integration was (to
me) poorly documented I got it working and has been stable / rock solid for a
couple of years now.
It would be nice to get things like membership linked between the two and to
more
On 17 Apr 2014, at 22:04, Jon 1234 jon.1...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
From: t...@yingtong.co.uk
I have it working with Fudforum and although the fudforum integration was
(to me) poorly documented I got it working and has been stable / rock solid
for a couple of years now.
It would be
From: t...@yingtong.co.uk
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:36:37 +0100
ref identity I really mean at present most of the traffic is on the mailing
list (and the forum is more of an archive for 80% of the joint community)
where users complain they can’t easily identify forum posters as people (its
One of my users on one of my lists is seeing something odd. His own signatures
are appearing on other people’s emails sent to a Mailman (2.1.14) list. Some
points of info:
- He has his own domain, hosted by google
- Email is read on the web (not sure which browser)
- It appears on some, but
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