Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL

2001-01-01 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
to finish up other projects that have been hanging around, in my case) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) We're visiting the relatives. Cover us. -- Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address?

2001-01-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
nt looking for it, and couldn't remember which book it was in... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change t

Re: [Mailman-Users] A bug?

2001-02-07 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
grade when new betas come out. The bug you're seeing was fixed long ago. Update to 2.0.1.... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I tried to get a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?

2001-02-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
effective against isn't... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
. This has been hashed over more than once. If you insist on doing it, we can't stop oyu. But don't expect us to help, make it easy, or say it's okay when we don't think it is. It's not. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman

2001-02-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
f is being handled. But whatever you choose to do, I'd suggest you stop telling the experts how to do their job, until you learn enough about the nissue you're complaining about to know why we're doing this in the first place. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's worth anything. --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

2001-03-29 Thread chuq von rospach
On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 11:41 AM, alex wetmore wrote: In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages complaining about the spam then spam itself... yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue, too. Which is another reason to make the spam go away -- because

Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

2001-03-30 Thread chuq von rospach
On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:05 AM, Ron Echeverri wrote: I disagree. Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we should simply delete it. I If you go home at night and smell gas, do you solve the problem

Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?

2001-04-03 Thread chuq von rospach
work with sendmail in my job now, and *I* am still learning about the bloody program. Don't feel bad. (grin) -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Some days

Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple OUTGOING servers

2001-04-11 Thread chuq von rospach
is to use DNS to create a round-robin of the outgoing servers, and then have Mailman server to that dns name. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I tried

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help:Duplicates with 2.0 final

2001-04-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/16/01 5:01 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another scenario is that you've cranked up your qrunner process limits, but not appropriatedly adjusted your qrunner lock lifetime. Or you haven't changed any of the limits, but the time it takes to send a single message exceeds

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final

2001-04-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
think it's better to leave nomail to the users, and either remove users or set up a second flag for system use in disabling users, because otherwise we end up with ambiguous situations. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Big problems withstale lockfiles on large list...

2001-05-01 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/1/01 1:40 PM, Barry A. Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if I hit the stop button before the page is finished loading, I can see that the CGI process continues to run for a while and then it may or may not clear the locks. That would match something I've been seeing and sorta

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Big problems withstale lockfiles on large list...

2001-05-01 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/1/01 8:52 PM, Barry A. Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've avoid that because of NFS issues, i.e. if you've got multiple Mailman installations sharing an NFS partition, the pids aren't relevant. If you have that, don't you have chaos anyway? Is the createlink lock style reliable over

[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Big problems with stale lockfiles onlarge list...

2001-05-02 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/2/01 11:30 AM, Graham TerMarsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, wanted to thank you muchly for the lengthy description of the problem and the patch that you provided. I figured that this was probably what was happening, after having gone through the process of running the CGIs

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 12:12 PM, Bill Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least, be configurable. If I want my list message to carry this info I can already put it in the footers. Why should I force everyone to scroll past a page long

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 12:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The List-headers are RFC-compliant. Footers are not. What RFC says that footers are not allowed? You know, we have this same argument every few weeks. Barry, can the FAQ/INSTALL/README/etc be updated with a comment about this so

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 1:48 PM, Clayton, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and such. Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready. www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822 Except that's not the RFC involing list-id and list* headers. And RFC822 was

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call for suggestions

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 3:32 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to setup multiple servers running (the same) mailman lists. Before we start building this beast -- why? Trying to keep the subscriber databases in sync across machines is going to be problematic. Before we build it,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call for suggestions

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 4:01 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we start building this beast -- why? Load balancing. I figured, but I wanted to make sure. I prefer having one server running mailman and having all the lists on it, however this means that machine will also get hit

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 4:27 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least, be configurable. This has been a point of contention on the list and elsewhere. I disagree. I'll take a middle ground. If he really feels this is how the list-*

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 4:35 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuq (official hard-ass of the 2002 summer olympics) The concept of spandex covered buns at an athletic avent Especially if they're MY buns. It'd scar some people for life... --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
John David Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing? Currently there is no direct support for this. And while I understand there are certain circumstances wher ethis might be reasonable (for instance, one of my list servers managers department lists

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 5:02 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially if they're MY buns. It'd scar some people for life... I thought I mentioned that _MY_ universe was not capable of supporting such concepts. Yeesh. Heh. If you want to scare the children, you can go to www.chuqui.com, and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 5:01 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good distinction. I still use the default Mailman footer that points to the list page. I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough. And the default mailman digest header is bad -- I've gotten any number of complaints about

Re: [Mailman-Users] Call for suggestions

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 5:02 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) NFS I wouldn't even try. or b) If mailman has a way of sending a signal out when something changes on the .db files No, it doesn't. Doesn't necessarily need to. What comes to mind with this last option though is,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 5:22 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough. Your complaint? Minor ones: ___ sharks mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hockeyfanz.com/mailman/listinfo/sharks Neither of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate emails sent out

2001-05-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 10:57 PM, David Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So from what I can tell, my mailing list server is sending out all the dups. But that doesn't tell you where they're coming from. Who's creating the duplicates? You? Or someone else? Until you figure that you, you won't really solve

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/8/01 11:09 PM, Bill Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since upgrading my Mailman installation to 2.x these headers have been the direct cause of new tech support calls, everyone of which costs money. So solve the real problem -- which is create a FAQ item telling people how to fix mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/9/01 1:33 PM, Bill Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, a strident hack it or take a hike anti-configuration stance (some of the messages in the archive are downright hostile) actually makes it harder for me, and others, to migrate towards full 2369 compliance, which means it ain't

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-11 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/11/01 8:07 AM, Nigel Metheringham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would allow people enough rope to completely hang themselves, and add a reasonably useful additional feature in. If this were a web system, I'd be all for it. But e-mail interacts with other email systems all over the

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-12 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/12/01 6:52 PM, Ian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which variables should be changed? It looks like the following could use some changes: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Between 5 and 10 - that should be set for any mailman installation. 500 is way too high for reasonable performance.

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-12 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/12/01 7:20 PM, Tib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To take another approach, mail out a link to the newsletter rather than the ENTIRE newsletter to each person. Do the math; Your math is wrong, though. if you're mailing out a letter that's 30k, to 10,000 users. that's gonna be 300 megs of

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-12 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/12/01 10:43 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) If your messages are getting corrupted, AT ALL, you have far more serious problems than how fast your system is able to deliver a list broadcast. Yeah. TCP guarantees the data is good. You basically can't get corruption unless

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/12/01 10:51 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this curious. I have MAX_RCPT_TO set to 5, and to broadcast 30 messages to a subscriber base of 1,000 (ie 6,000 spool entries) through qrunner to the MTA (postfix) on a dual PII-333 takes just over 6 seconds once started.

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/13/01 12:22 AM, Tib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who has email that does not have web access at the time they get their email? Not a huge number, but not zero. As wireless mobile becomes more significant, it'll be a growing issue, not a shrinking one. True: users who have a bland interest

Re: [Mailman-Users] big lists, big messages

2001-05-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 5/13/01 12:44 AM, Roger B.A. Klorese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you expect wireless mobile NOT to have web access? Hell, I use my web access when mobile much more than my email access. No, but I expect wireless mobile to have limitations on display -- not to the level that WAP hoses you

Re: [Mailman-Users] browser compatibility of admin interface?

2001-05-20 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Sunday, May 20, 2001, at 09:03 PM, Dave Klingler wrote: Apologies to any Omni employees who read this some day and feel insulted. I'll simply say not everyone agrees with Dave, and leave it at that. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] A good MTA program?

2001-05-31 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 09:22 PM, Mike T. Gholson wrote: It doesn't look like sendmail is the greatest MTA for use with Mailman. What is a good MTA that seems to work well with Mailman? Sendmail works fine. But if you're not committed to sendmail, look at postfix -- Chuq Von

Re: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe option in mailman?

2001-06-03 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Sunday, June 3, 2001, at 11:55 AM, Mike T. Gholson wrote: On the same note, is there a way to 'mass subscribe' email addresses to the DIGEST version of the list? yes. add_members -d file list instead of -n file. It's right there in the documentation... (add_members --help) -- Chuq Von

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! Digest went nuts!

2001-06-04 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
as the messages enter the system... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! Digest went nuts!

2001-06-04 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME messages

2001-06-06 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
"strip all but these mime parts". Any stripped part ought to be replaced with a text part that documents the modification by mailman. Conceptually, not tough, but since you might need to start ripping apart nested mime-parts... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.co

Re: [Mailman-Users] header management?

2001-06-06 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
. Barry, has this ever been added to the FAQ, so we can simply point to it and not restart this argument again? -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I tried

Re: [Mailman-Users] Need mail merge capability

2001-06-06 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
absolutely must have it, but Lyris isn't free. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to silently, automatically reject ALL implicit destination messages?

2001-06-11 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
in the reply. If that exists, bounce it. If not, assume they did edit it enough, and even if you don't agree iwth how they edited it, don't worry about it and leave it alone. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriptions

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
. On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 07:55 AM, JT wrote: Equally likely situations: he has *multiple* users too dumb to figure out how to unsubscribe (sad), Could you remove all traces of [EMAIL PROTECTED] from your system or i will be forced to block your address. Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
many people feel everyone else owes them whatever they want. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
enthusiasm in 15 years. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off. -- Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
to be... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Shroedinger: We can never really be sure which side of the road the chicken is on. It's all a matter of chance. Like

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
stupid or arrogant when they don't get it) -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-14 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
to tweak, and what you ought to hide until they define themselves as experts. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. To the optimist, the glass is half full

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-14 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
unsubs on my mail lists, and that was a guy who was trying to make a point and so unsubsribed me from my own lists. Let's just say he didn't appreciate the response. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-14 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
under. I'll be back later. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. You know, I Remember When I Used To Speak In Capitals, Too. It's addictive. It also encourages

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

2001-06-14 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 12:43 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: I think I'm gonna go find a tree to sit under. I'll be back later. sorry, folks. That was meant to go privately, not to the entire list. I pushed the wrong button. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
PROTECTED] wrote: I will not take bull shit and smart emails! Just take me off your email list -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = [EMAIL PROTECTED]> = [EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I'll try

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
to the users. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
are proposing cause problems? It's only an issue if we 'put them over the edge', and I don't at all think we should ASSUME we will. I'm willing to bet most sites will continue to work just fine. It's osmething that might be useful to survey before making assumptions and decisions. -- Chuq Von Rospach

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
do VERP, since it's now free. but if you don't want to do the customization for end-users, then yes, intermittent VERP is fine. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
that, to encoding the unsub with the info needed to find the subscribed address automatically. We can put the URL in there already; that just isn't always good enough. We're talking about customizing that for each user. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
into the conversation midway and don't catch that we've redefined things on them. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-15 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 03:26 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: Where then will you put the list submission address? for the lists I'm talking about, thre is none. These are e-newsletters. This isn't my mailman system. Sorry if it's not clear. This is my big server. -- Chuq Von Rospach

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
not worth trying to save someone from themselves. sigh of course, we have to remember they'll blame us for it, too. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
with a properly configured version of postfix, exim or qmail. This is not a problem with mailman: this is a design limitation in sendmail that we don't believe will be fixed in the forseeable future. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
of this... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
is useful enough we want people to use it unless they have to turn it off, we don't want to have to try to convince the people who install stuff and leave everything defaulted to turn it on. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

2001-06-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
on the developers list... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and phone bills

2001-06-24 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
on TV. Speaking for Barry, I can only say let's cut this out and get back to talking about mailman Are we done spraying testosterone all over the mail list yet? Or do we need another round of proving we're an even bigger expert than you are? -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
probably not what you meant... Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. How about never? Is never good for you

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
as typical to see these things in a 30 minute turnaround as a 3 minute. Or 2 hours. You can reduce the worst of the damage, but these hacks don't really fix it. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
, unless it's very, very important to trap whatever Im trapping. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
digest subject line, but that's mostly because digests coerce reply-to (they basically have to. I can't justify reply-to-nobody, but it's tempting), and that's what usually starts loops in the first place -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-25 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
. Usually on deadline. Also consider that this might be a very desirable feature on some lists, limiting the ability of a person to make excessive posts. that's something for a list admin to decide, not a state counter in a database. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

2001-06-26 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
are actually fairly simple. If you want to act like a list mom, know the rules you're enforcing. And one of those rules is don't do that. rather hard for them to justify their actions that way, of course (grin) -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Debian upgrade hell...

2001-06-26 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
the real economy, the new economy and the false economy... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist

Re: [Mailman-Users] test

2001-06-26 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
future tests fail -- keep testing... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Sendmail problems

2001-06-28 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
as one whole minute (grin) is too long, then I'd suggest you cut out the caffeine, not fix Mailman... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Always look away from

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Sendmail problems

2001-06-29 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
improve this further, but majordomo has a bad tendency to implode a system if you get a burst of content and haven't tuned the system right. Mailman's designed to avoid that, and what you're seeing is one of the tradeoff's needed to avoid that kind of peak load resource crisis. -- Chuq Von

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Sendmail problems

2001-06-30 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
loop can then select() off the socket and go to sleep until soemthing gets written to it. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Any connection between your

Re: [Mailman-Users] installing

2001-07-08 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
through it, or do it for you. These tools assume a certain level of technical knowledge. If you don't have that, you either need to get someone who does to help, or not use them. It's not the tool's fault -- these things aren't blenders that work as soon as you plug them in. -- Chuq Von Rospach

Re: [Mailman-Users] should admin get daily notices of pending request

2001-07-09 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
else. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. When his IQ reaches 50, he should sell. -- Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing the X- headers

2001-07-11 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 7/11/01 3:46 PM, Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read it, and while I can appreciate the effort to support RFC 2369, I believe it would be beneficial to allow local administrators to make exceptions according to the needs of their particular lists. The FAQ below doesn't

Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow command-line unsubscription

2001-07-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
me. Since it's a single process, your MP machine isn't going to use all it's CPU, but the operation is going to be primarily disk-limted anyway -- are you using fast disks? Slow disks? -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome http://www.chuqui.com [[EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow command-line unsubscription

2001-07-14 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 7/14/01 11:32 AM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to brief examination here its lock bound rather than IO or CPU. So mailman is setting and removing the lock for every address? If so -- Barry, isn't that a design flaw for this case? -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome

Re: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users

2001-10-01 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 10/1/01 2:10 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch. Please be aware of the implicit security hole you're opening here. Implicit? That's like calling amputation a flesh wound. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Mailman-Users] What is Error decoding authorization cookie?

2001-09-28 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 9/28/01 1:56 PM, Nancy Montano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Error decoding authorization cookie. He recently moved out of the area and is now using a Satellite connection. This is the only change he has made. That's enough -- he's now going through a proxy server, and I've seen problems

Re: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations

2001-12-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/5/01 10:29 AM, Tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my issues are just with trying to do member operation .. How long does it take to add/delete an individual member? FWIW, in my experience, the delay isn't mailman. It's disk I/O. Almost all of the time spent in this operation is in Disk I/O.

Re: [Mailman-Users] how to suppress List- info?

2001-12-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/13/01 2:35 PM, William H. Sterner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a new list manager and haven't been able to figure out how to suppress the following List- lines in each message from the Administrator's manual. It's in the FAQ. --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing vacation autoresponder mail bombs

2001-12-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/16/01 2:18 PM, The Berean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any workaround in Mailman to prevent this from happening again? Shoot anyone who does it, preferably in public, preferably in the virtual kneecaps, to convince all of your othre users not to be so stupid. A misbehaving or badly

Re: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists

2001-12-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/17/01 3:32 PM, Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a list of about 11,000 currently on Solaris/Sendmail/listproc that I'm thinking of moving to Linux/(qmail|Postfix)/mailman. Only one message a week is sent. Anyone running a list that big on Mailman? Any special setup

Re: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists

2001-12-18 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/18/01 5:06 AM, Tass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: default_process_limit = 150 If you have 512M of Ram set it to 200, it will give you a lot of room. Maybe. Maybe not. One of the things you need to do when setting up your MTA is figure out what your network can take. It makes no sense (in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Capacity

2001-12-20 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/20/01 1:01 AM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any capacity limitations as far as the number of names mailman can handle at a single time? Explicitly no. In terms of runtime resource consumption, yes. I'd be very wary, unless you have really large iron. The current

Re: [Mailman-Users] Capacity

2001-12-20 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 12/20/01 11:56 AM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I manage two larger than that (neither on mailman). Hurm. In my context above I'm assuming that list does not cover marketing lists per se but only what we'd historically/'net-wise consider a mailing list Sorry, a list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question: How do I use server sideincludes in administrator interface option: Edit General List InformationPage

2002-01-30 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 1/30/02 9:38 PM, Ed Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Benny, Yes - I'm using Apache, and SSI had been enabled. But SSI generally doesn't work in CGI programs, which the python files are. The two are basically mutually exclusive. What I did was use mod_layout (www.tangent.org) instead

Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Institution requires standardheader/footer on all pages...

2002-02-17 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
might require a little tweaking, but that's easy. -- Chuq Von Rospach ([EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/) Will Geek for hardware. The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet: And they all died happily ever after -- Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX

2002-03-05 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
think I'll hold off for a bit and see how this part of the saga plays out. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/ Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you? -- Mailman-Users maillist

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed:nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user

2002-03-11 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
the angry replies go back to the poor schmuck in the reply-to -- and since I've already abandoned the hotmail account I used to start the bomb, I'm off scott free) -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/ He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch andreply-to munging per user

2002-03-11 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
into messages with the karma rating, so users could filter based on the karma rating. All sorts of fun ways to get people to play karma politics on your mail list... Funny, FWIW, is -3. It is one of the biggest problems with /. Karma. But I digress. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck

2002-04-07 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On 4/7/02 5:30 PM, J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered that perhaps Mailman is just not for you? Nope. Not relevant. Don't inject facts into a rant. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/ The first rule of holes: If you are in one

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