Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi Ravi? My reason is to promote FLOSS software solutions that can realistically compete with Microsoft Office. Currently LibreOffice only provides a subset of this functionality. If partnerships between FLOSS software products were in place you could have a situation where this missing

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Currently to replace the totality of Microsoft Office 365 takes around 5 or 6 applications I suspect which is a difficult ask given that you can go to one provider for a solution but if there is a recommended migration path using a number of 'partner'

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 4:02 am, James Harking wrote: > What I am proposing is for those companies that are tied to Microsoft > office have a migration, recommendation/best practice solution provided by > the greater FLOSS office desktop ecosystem. What is the reason for your proposal? -- Ravi Dwivedi

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Joshua Coppersmith
I really am very pro-FOSS and pro-LO, but I want to interject a wet blanket here regarding companies picking up FOSS and migrating to LO. I think the truth is, LO just isn't ready for that kind of prime-time. I have been using almost exclusively FOSS for five years now, even converting a school

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
I think you need to be realistic here, if you are going to continue to use Microsoft Teams for video conferencing you would use the rest of the package also, correct me if wrong but there would be no cost benefit for a business to not using Microsoft Office then? While I appreciate your desire to

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 3:22 am, James Harking wrote: > A company will typically have many 'seats' that are purchased. They will be > going to a single vendor that will provide the totality of their office > solution. There is a wealth of documentation on Microsoft Office/ 365 > configuration. Support is

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 4:10 am, James Harking wrote: > My reason is to promote FLOSS software solutions that can realistically > compete with Microsoft Office. Let me put my question in a different way: Why should a company choose a free software(or FLOSS) over Microsoft Office? (Different people can

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread toki
On 30/12/2021 21:31, Ravi Dwivedi wrote: On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Currently to replace the totality of Microsoft Office 365 takes around 5 or 6 applications I suspect which is a difficult ask given that you can Can you please tell what challenges does a company have in

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
I'm not advocating for lots of different software to be included in a single binary download, that would likely be unrealistic. What I am proposing is for those companies that are tied to Microsoft office have a migration, recommendation/best practice solution provided by the greater FLOSS

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 7:09 pm, James Harking wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop > team but I do have some sway in decision making. > > Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently > use Microsoft Office 365 and

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
A company will typically have many 'seats' that are purchased. They will be going to a single vendor that will provide the totality of their office solution. There is a wealth of documentation on Microsoft Office/ 365 configuration. Support is typically easy to come by. The integration of their

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 8:06 pm, James Harking wrote: Hi Sophie, What I'm trying to 'tease' out is that LibreOffice in its current form can not be a replacement for Microsoft Office, but clearly it is central to this. As an example I have never heard of Blue Mind. I disagree. In case of video

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 3:10 am, James Harking wrote: > I think you need to be realistic here, if you are going to continue to use > Microsoft Teams for video conferencing you would use the rest of the > package also, correct me if wrong but there would be no cost benefit for a > business to not using

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 31/12/21 5:45 am, Joshua Coppersmith wrote: > I really am very pro-FOSS and pro-LO, but I want to interject a wet blanket here regarding companies picking up FOSS and migrating to LO. > > I think the truth is, LO just isn't ready for that kind of prime-time. Companies can customize it

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
My proposal for how we are different is: (Rough draft) LibreOffice is a free software(free as in freedom) which respects your freedom. You can run, study, modify, share and share the modified versions. MS Office is nonfree software. Users do not control it. They use this power over users to

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado
Hello everyone again - blame Paolo :) -, I'm passionate about the development on page 7, green IT theme, in "Paolo" document: https://www.landtag.ltsh.de/infothek/wahl19/drucks/02000/drucksache-19-02056.pdf "The Federal Environment Agency has examined, for example, how much electrical energy at

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Clocked Modular
Interesting. Thanks. Met vriendelijke groet, With kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen. *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are not known with us, you can use the web contact form

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Ravi, You are right about signal being a centralized service. Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for Signal? Yes it is encrypted. See https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html. Android clients of Jabber encrypt

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Italo Vignoli
You are completely off-topic, messages on this mailing list must be strictly related to LibreOffice marketing. On 12/30/21 10:57, Ravi Dwivedi wrote: On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Ravi, You are right about signal being a centralized service. Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:28 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: > *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we > will, **in time, stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are > not known with us, you can use the web contact form >

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote: Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for Signal? Quicksy is exactly that-- a federated and encrypted replacement(not alternative) for Signal. I will write a blog post on Quicksy today to spread awareness. And also on problems with

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Nigel Verity
James makes a very good point. If you have a problem with MS Office you go down a single route to a single POC to try and get it resolved. If you had different support organisations for each of Outlook, Teams, OneNote etc, then MS Office would be very unattractive - especially in the enterprise

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi all, Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop team but I do have some sway in decision making. Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently use Microsoft Office 365 and generally are happy with it, however license costs are

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi
On 30/12/21 4:52 pm, Italo Vignoli wrote: > You are completely off-topic, messages on this mailing list must be > strictly related to LibreOffice marketing. I agree. Apologies for that. In the LibreOffice marketing context, I would like to say that LibreOffice should not be integrated with

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread sophi
Hi, Le 30/12/2021 à 14:39, James Harking a écrit : > Hi all, > > Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop > team but I do have some sway in decision making. > > Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently > use Microsoft Office 365

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Hi Sophie, What I'm trying to 'tease' out is that LibreOffice in its current form can not be a replacement for Microsoft Office, but clearly it is central to this. As an example I have never heard of Blue Mind. What would go a long way in my opinion is some guidance from the Document Foundation

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread James Harking
Precisely this, by supporting 'partner' applications you not only improve the viability of LibreOffice as a valid Microsoft Office alternative, but also that of other related projects and some cross promotion and recommendation makes the whole of the FLOSS office ecosystem more viable. I think a