Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
Le mardi 06 décembre 2005 à 21:04 -0300, Santiago Roza a écrit : cool... could you throw it in the wiki so we can build on it? i'd do it myself, but i don't think i should appear as the original author :) The whole idea behind this little draft was to show that the often requested data is

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Alex Hudson
On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 22:44 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote: there are three groups of desktop personas: 1. private 2. business 3. public sector I'm going to make a quick comment about personas before people go too far in this direction - if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure how

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Alex Hudson wrote: I would be happy to help contribute to some personas if people think it's worth doing. I think it is. Ideally, we could go into real depth on the personas and how they might interact with GNOME (and also how GNOME doesn't suit them), and do a smashing presentation of

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Santiago Roza
if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure how personas are supposed to apply to marketing), you're not trying to define a target audience per se. What you're doing is actual characterisation, as a novelist might do then maybe we don't have to follow cooper strictly, because we might end

Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005

2005-12-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 13:54 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : Hi, Alex Hudson wrote: I would be happy to help contribute to some personas if people think it's worth doing. I think it is. Ideally, we could go into real depth on the personas and how they might interact with GNOME

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Santiago Roza wrote: if you follow Cooper (and I'm not exactly sure how personas are supposed to apply to marketing), you're not trying to define a target audience per se. What you're doing is actual characterisation, as a novelist might do then maybe we don't have to follow cooper

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Quim Gil
En/na Santiago Roza ha escrit: if it could be shown at guadec or something like that If the show is interesting why not. We can't compromise to put it on schedule now of course, but there will be a possibility to present a paper, or be invited directly if the GUADEC committee thinks your work

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Santiago Roza
% I disagree. What you're doing is creating living, breathing characters which represent your target audiences. yeah, and i agree with this of course. what i don't like is the idea of creating living characters, at the cost of making them A LOT less representative of your target audience. for

Re: Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005

2005-12-07 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Marcus Bauer wrote: Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: Jane, 19yo, college student. Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design Cary, 45yo, decision maker desktop IT dept. of 200 employee company Miss

Re: Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005: JANE

2005-12-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 14:08 +0100, Marcus Bauer a écrit : Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: Jane, 19yo, college student. Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design Cary, 45yo, decision maker

Re: Tarzan and Jane - GNOME personas 2005

2005-12-07 Thread Marcus Bauer
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 15:17 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : Hi, Marcus Bauer wrote: Sounds all very good. Here are my suggestions for five personas: Jane, 19yo, college student. Tarzan, 30yo, no kids, running a small business Doris, 35yo, two kids, parttime job freelance design

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Dan Winship
Alex Hudson wrote: [It's also valid to argue that personas are not a useful tool; many people hold that viewpoint. I don't, personally, but there are significant limitations to how you can use it IMHO] There's a huge difference between personas are not a useful tool and personas are not a

gnome desktop personas - my very first draft

2005-12-07 Thread Santiago Roza
i started to draft a few characteristics of my personas; please tell me what you think. remember it's VERY conceptual, they don't even have names yet :) i didn't know if we should picture only our core segments, or a more general scenario, so i took the middle road... but this will have a

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Santiago Roza
Usability and marketing are totally different things, and of course you're going to need different tools for them. err... no. usability has everything to do with users' needs and expectations, and that has everything to do with marketing. but usability and advertising are totally different

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 11:25 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: at least from a marketing point of view, you can't ask me to forget trying to cover my userbase... that's suicidal; we'd be telling anecdotes, not segmenting anything. You're still missing the point, I think. The general idea is to cover

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Murray Cumming
[snip] You can't make everyone happy all the time; personas is just a tool to help figure out how to prioritise who to make happy when, if you see what I mean. And a way for developers to remember that they should worry about the _goals_ of real people. Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Desktop personas (draft)

2005-12-07 Thread Santiago Roza
If you think of a bell population, you have 80% within two standard deviations (I think?). yeah 80% is good; what i don't want is personas who're so individual and pretty and unique :) that they don't reflect the userbase at all. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-07 Thread Sri Ramkrishna
I met the guy who did firefox's community (and release manager I believe)stuff (and I think marketing) at OSCON. He said he would be happy to talk with us about what he did to help Firefox. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org