Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Santiago Roza
On 9/26/06, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's one thing I regret it's that we didn't push this release as The big performance push ... maybe because we didn't have any benchmarks available, i guess. how could we have them for future releases? i mean what to measure, with which

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Quim Gil a écrit : Good bits in GNOME 2.16 http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/18/2031230 Not yet del.icio.us user, sorry. Gah. some minor feature enhancements? If there's one thing I regret it's that we didn't push this release as The big performance push - there was a wealth of blog

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Santiago Roza a écrit : maybe because we didn't have any benchmarks available, i guess. how could we have them for future releases? The Evolution guys had (and sent us) benchmarks, Federico Mena, Ben Maurer, Cecilia Gonzalez Alvarez, Phillip van Hoof, Behdad Esfahbod... all of these

Re: About the 2.18 release plans (was Re: User oriented release notes)

2006-09-26 Thread Claus Schwarm
Hi, On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:13:55 +0200 Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need a coordinator for the 2.18 release notes, the sooner the better. Be it Lucas, Dave, Claus or whoever wanting to push this until the release day. I can sent reminder e-mails after the beta releases to a

Wow - look at the KDE news volume

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
http://www.google.com/trends?q=gnome%2Ckdectab=0geo=alldate=all Even though our search volume is staying roughly identical to KDE? look at their news references. We need to improve at this, the way the KDE promotion team have. That means a CRM (on its way, honest) and a really regular feed of

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Claus Schwarm
Hi, Dave! On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:19:36 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with that page is: 1. technical focus, rather than user focus (here are operations which are faster, rather than Here are high-level usecases which are faster) 2. The language is pretty tame. We

Re: About the 2.18 release plans (was Re: User oriented release notes)

2006-09-26 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 11:53 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: Do I miss something? Perhaps Dave's original email - http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00096.html - and all what we discussed in the User oriented release notes and About the 2.18 release plans, including my

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Claus, Claus Schwarm a écrit : This is what could be made after feedback from a helpful Evolution developer. Read it and ask yourself how many people are really affected by these improvements. I'm not sure whether that would have been sufficient to produce the headlines you're thinking

Re: Wow - look at the KDE news volume

2006-09-26 Thread Quim Gil
During the GUADEC sprint I realized the obvious: we don't have a press team. We should. On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 13:33 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=gnome%2Ckdectab=0geo=alldate=all -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://pinguino.tv signature.asc

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, I'm feeling some aggression and defensiveness here which I'm going to put down to cultural differences. I will say, though, that we all have a part to play in improving things, and I think that this could have been addressed better if I'd brought it up before the release (mea culpa).

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of stuff people talk about on pgo. What do you think? That release notes writers have nothing better to do than taking notes about stuff developers say somewhere on the Internet? Well, it's my primary news source to know what

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Claus Schwarm
Hi, a few notes: On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:24:03 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, I think it is important for people interested in promoting GNOME (and particularly release notes writers) be aware of it. There's a difference between being 'aware of it' and following it

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Claus Schwarm a écrit : Can you provide a rationale why do you think the time of developers is so much more valuable than anybody else's time? snip I was just talking about efficient organization: to minimize the work load for everybody, some agreements need to be taken care of. So, if

Re: Wow - look at the KDE news volume

2006-09-26 Thread Dave Neary
Jeff Waugh a écrit : quote who=Dave Neary http://www.google.com/trends?q=gnome%2Ckdectab=0geo=alldate=all Dave, you have to be a bit more discerning. :-) How realistic do you think those numbers are, considering your experience with our press coverage? It doesn't seem right, surely?

Re: Wow - look at the KDE news volume

2006-09-26 Thread Tom Chance
Ahoy, On Tuesday 26 September 2006 13:21, Quim Gil wrote: During the GUADEC sprint I realized the obvious: we don't have a press team. We should. Well of course :) Three people with a whiteboard, familiar to all the contributors who are around, and with not much else to do. Write press

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Claus Schwarm
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:40:43 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK - it's clear that you're saying all these things to people other than those who should be hearing it. Ehm, pardon? You started talking about the *vision* and how the marketing team is supposed to handle things

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Murray Cumming
I'm sorry I didn't bring this up before the release, when it would have been more useful. Let's just learn the lesson, and make sure our finger is on the pulse next time, and give kudos where it's due. Gathering, sorting, and presenting the release information takes a lot of time and effort.

Re: Spreading the press release/release announcement and collecting press coverage

2006-09-26 Thread Claus Schwarm
Hi, On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:21:34 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind that is definitely a bigger feature than we will have more eye candy in future releases thanks to optional XGL support in Metacity. Note that a performance page was written. It looked like this:

Updated Component Page

2006-09-26 Thread LeeTambiah
I have added a proposal for the required elements in the footer for wgo at:- http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ComponentSelection. Please see the page and suggestions would be welcomed. Cheers Lee -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org

Re: Wow - look at the KDE news volume

2006-09-26 Thread Luke Stroven
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 16:33 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: So, from a quick glance, it looks like dot.kde.org is a news source for news.google.org, gnomedesktop.org (for example) is not. The lesson, it appears to me, is that we should be looking for ways to have community news sources on

news.gnome.org (was Re: Wow - look at the KDE news volume)

2006-09-26 Thread Quim Gil
Would it be debatable to solve the many issues we have around GNOME + news in a general plan with a main objective: a one and only news.gnome.org? This is one of the items in the revamped General navigation bar. It's ok to have the Footnotes as they are now there, but we can work on something

Re: Wgo home footer RSS

2006-09-26 Thread Quim Gil
September 24th is the planned deadline for your work [1] and you are mostly done. Congratulations! I think the results are excellent: we have a cool homepage and... room to think the secondary pages. Don't worry if there is still a loose piece in the footer or somewhere, we will have a look at

Re: Pushing a wgo section (was Re: Screenshot link on frontpage)

2006-09-26 Thread Quim Gil
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 02:53 +0200, Martin Jeppesen wrote: Are there anyone that have reached the October 18th milestone, so I can get a feeling how it is supposed to be done? Not yet, I'm still investing time with the last 2.16.1 details. Now that you mention it would be useful to provide a