Re: Removing 10x10

2008-05-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary I'd like to archive http://live.gnome.org/10x10 in the wiki, since it's clear that we are not going to get there, keeping the goal up on the front page seems like it will be more of a liability object of ridicule than a motivator over the next year a half. I thought

Re: Finding case studies in the wiki

2008-03-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary I would appreciate in general if the reorganisation of information in the wiki was done with some kind of method, where information which we have is somehow prioritised by importance and made available systematically. It might also be useful to take advantage of children

Re: GNOME Mug Update

2008-03-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Lucas Rocha - GNOME Milk (With a white cow full of black GNOME foot marks) I would totally buy this (particularly without any text, except perhaps GNOME and a non-cow/milk specific tagline). I also love the [computer] + [foot] = [heart] image. In green, around the mug? Lovely. :-)

Re: Vote the logo for GNOME Asia Summit -- Deadline is 9th Dec, 2007

2007-12-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Emily Chen Please vote your favorite logo for GNOME Asia Summit from here : http://www.gnome-cn.org/gnome-asia-submit/gas-logo-vote/ Thanks for Yang Hong's great help on build this vote system! We will announce the final logo on Monday, the winner will get free registration

Re: Vote the logo for GNOME Asia Summit -- Deadline is 9th Dec, 2007

2007-12-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy These are all really cool -- it was hard to choose a favourite to vote for! Minor comment: Once you've chosen the style, please fix the text to use the GNOME logo typeface (modified Trebuchet MS Bold, see the M) Actually it's Bitstream Vera Sans Bold modified.

Re: Promoting events in South America

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Diego Escalante Urrelo I would like to hear your opinions on this idea, or any opinion about the whole issue of bringing more people to our part of the world!. This is a rad idea -- go straight the the GNOME Foundation, do not pass GO, but *DO* collect travel funding. ;-) You could

GNOME/SLED story

2007-08-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
He didn't have a preference when it came to Linux distributions so he tested a number of them. The SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) stood out for Giroux. It came with the GNOME desktop, which he regards as faster than most, Firefox, which is the company's preferred browser, and the Citrix

Re: GNOME/SLED story

2007-08-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ken VanDine This is great, but I actually wish he had more reasons to choose GNOME. Faster is just one of many advantages, oh well. I'm sure he did, but that was the most straightforward quote. Anyone up for doing a more in-depth case study with them? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008:

Re: [wgo] Contact GNOME website feedback

2007-07-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ken VanDine I would also be in favor of using bugzilla or something similar to track all marketing tasks. I generally use Jira for this both at work and for foresight, very useful tool. Bugzilla can do it too, but jira is designed a little more for managing work flow. Sysadmin

Re: Formalizing the marketing team

2007-07-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=John Williams Oh dear. I am going to try again to push the idea of what marketing is. BTW: If anyone is getting sick of my pontification on this, please let me know, publicly if necessary. I'm not going to tell you to shut up -- what you say is an important point. But I am going to

Re: About The GNOME Mobile Embedded Initative

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Like someone else said, it's a chicken and egg situation. It's not: Go and do something awesome! This latest announcement seems to have come from quite high up in Gnome -- Foundation board members are involved in it, I would image. I started it independently of the Board,

Re: About The GNOME Mobile Embedded Initative

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Jeff, your communications would sound more sincere and less glib if you stopped loading them with meaningless words like 'rock' 'awesome' and the like. Tough. That's the way I talk. Because someone -- I forget who, can't see to check, hate mailing lists, pointed out the

Re: About The GNOME Mobile Embedded Initative

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Fair enough. I suppose that's just a cultural difference between us, because to me those sorts of words make me think what I'm hearing is buzzword laden bullshit that dodges the issues at hand. But that's one of the unique parameter we have to work with, right? Perhaps this

Re: About The GNOME Mobile Embedded Initative

2007-04-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thilo Pfennig The people doing embedded GUI are already captured resources and are now being paid to work on GNOME whether embedded or otherwise. Ok, thats a ood point. But still it is a switch in focus, isn't it? No. There has been a resurgence in mobile development in the last

Re: About The GNOME Mobile Embedded Initative

2007-04-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thilo Pfennig a) I do not like that this was not discussed at all in the marketing list. Such major things and announcement have to be discussed with at least the marketing team I think the reality is that not everything will be discussed here. We can argue about that, or rock on

Re: Fwd: .org Pavilion Call for Papers Now Open

2007-04-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod I can ask on #sysadmin to get something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something. Thoughts? No point having aliases for everything, we'll keep losing ourselves. Just point them to marketing-list (where it won't be very off-topic) and allow posts from that email address.

Re: GNOME Logo Branding Guidelines Concerns

2006-10-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy So I guess in a nutshell I don't think we should dictate whether or not flags must be used. I wouldn't completely ban them completely, however. We (roughly) do in GNOME itself, due to all the political issues with flags. The problem with having clear-cut cases and less

Re: GNOME Logo Branding Guidelines Concerns

2006-10-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy (1) Are there any objections to the proposed sublogo guidelines? Do you think they are too restrictive or too permissive? (3) Do you think having an approval system for sublogos would be an acceptable requirement? Should we contact a lawyer to get some advice? An

Re: community.gnome.org (was Re: [Fwd: GnomeWeb 2.18 goals])

2006-10-24 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 09:34 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: What on earth is community.gnome.org? As for today it is a launcher from the general nav bar to the GNOME is People subsites: Well, you need a way to connect Planet, Foundation and GUADEC from the General Nav

Re: [Fwd: GnomeWeb 2.18 goals]

2006-10-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Noreiko How is projects.gnome.org back on the agenda at all? Well, we could just delete all the current projects pages ;) Some of them are unmaintained and some duplicate things we want to say elsewhere. But the various app teams might object. This has already been

Re: [Fwd: GnomeWeb 2.18 goals]

2006-10-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Noreiko This has already been discussed. IIRC, the outcome was the marketing wants snazzy pages that present parts of gnome, not necesarily single modules or apps, and module and app teams will throw a hissy fit if they lose their little corner of webspace. So we end up

Re: [Fwd: GnomeWeb 2.18 goals]

2006-10-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Noreiko Those ideas never needed to be in opposition, but were pushed that way. They are not mutually exclusive. Fair enough. But then what's your objection? Using the projects.g.o subdomain? Yes. It's unnecessary. What's wrong with www.gnomesupport.org? There's no

Re: Updated Why choose GNOME leaflet

2006-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Wood We're now looking for comments on the text to make it more fun and interesting. It's probably worth noting the prospective audience will probably be IT managers and small developers. Suggestions: * Why Choose GNOME? - Put your foot down: Demand GNOME. (semi-joking;

Re: Updated Why choose GNOME leaflet

2006-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andreas Nilsson * Use the new foot device and logotype. The spacing of the logo and first two paragraphs looks awkward. Too much on the left and top, too little on the right and bottom. Máiríns new stuff in the gnome wiki, right? Yep. The text mentions that it runs on Unix,

Re: Screenshot link on frontpage

2006-09-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 20:05 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: There's no reason why you can't link that with the word 'screenshots'. There is a reason not to link with the word Screenshots a section that comprises an overview-tour of GNOME, a screenshots gallery

SWiK-Source released

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
Hey, Datapoint for a possible projects/applist/doapsite: SWiK-Source, the engine behind swik.net (which is roughly an application wiki for FLOSS projects) has been released under GPLv2. It's PHP/MySQL with some Java backend stuff (that could probably be replaced). Kind of interesting. With some

Re: SWiK-Source released

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Lee Tambiah I think the Java backend would have been a problem, but as Sun are also open sourcing the Java Environment (which is happening as wer speak) it will really be truly open in time to come. We already run Java services on the GNOME hosts. Jeff Please add me to Planet

Re: Screenshot link on frontpage

2006-09-20 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Martin Jeppesen I have seen the various mockups for the Gnome website, and I think that one of the most important features is a visible link named Screenshots. 100% agree. Very good point. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/

Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=karderio I hacked a theme up in July, and have been patiently nudging people since to either put it up or tell me what is wrong with it... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2006-July/msg4.html Right - I'll take a look. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney,

Re: Planet GNOME block (was Re: Page Layout Update)

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil I still think that if thousands of readers follow it daily and bloggers fight to get in, it's for a reason. Planet GNOME is one of the most interesting web spaces we have been able to create (for insiders and also GNOME outsiders), therefore there must be a strong reason

Re: Planet GNOME block (was Re: Page Layout Update)

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil The cool gnome-is-people Planet block with its little hackergotchis and its genuine content renewed automatically several times a day all year round should be discarded to avoid... the rather small probability of having offensive words during some hours in the title of a

Re: Planet GNOME block (was Re: Page Layout Update)

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy (2) Instead of posting post excerpts/subject lines on WGO, post other information. E.g., you could just post hackergotchis, the person's name, and how recently they said something on PGO, and where they are from. That's my preferred option, should we beyond a banner

Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=karderio So, on the subject of pretty sites, is there any chance of anybody making live.g.o not ugly (Jeff?) ? I still feel it is rather important... We need a moin 1.5 compatible theme for it, that at least (for now) matches wgo. Further changes down the track will be simpler once

Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png Full of awesome. I really dig this. ** planet GNOME mini feeds - maybe the subject lines of the most-recent posts on planet GNOME including little mini hackergotchis. (This would be a

Re: SpreadGNOME.org

2006-08-24 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil - If anybody wants to promote GNOME, a very basic and easy step is to put a prominent and cool link to http://gnome.org in the homepage. Note: Use 'www.gnome.org'. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ I am a

Re: Getting GNOME banners created

2006-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Corey Burger http://warbard.ca/temp/official-desktop-happy-corey-2.svg Could we avoid the Official Desktop of Happy People thing? It really isn't a very positive message... Given that it doesn't say anything about GNOME, I have to judge it on brand expression - I'm really not sure

Re: How are we compelling?

2006-08-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil How are we compelling to regular people? The answer to this crucial question belongs to a goal [1] still unassigned: Quim, I don't believe Travis was asking the question purely for the benefit of the website... - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia

Re: PROPOSAL Re: gnome app pages

2006-08-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil Proposal to make useful products pages without being divisive: Different slant - How about we focus on creating product pages for the release suites (and their contents) for now, using them as a test bed for building out the catalogue later on? This means we're taking on a

Re: wgo mock up required

2006-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=LeeTambiah One thing that is baffling me at the moment is talk of the CMS, If we create pages for wgo, wouldn't we have to implement this into the CMS anyway? In other words why are we creating a template when we will be using a CMS. I believe I have a misunderstanding here, could

Re: gnome app pages (was confusingly Gnome Software Map)

2006-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gergely Nagy Hmm. So we are talking about leaving wgo/projects/* _as is_ for this release Given the state of plans for dealing with /projects/ I'd say that ought to be an unqualified YES (though I've suggested this before). My humble vote is against a bastard solution where both

Re: gnome app pages (was confusingly Gnome Software Map)

2006-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gergely Nagy The original subject of this thread was Software Map Which is the wrong way to think about the problem, isn't it? That's why I'm pushing for a different way of thinking about it. Currently /projects/* _is_ just a list of applications It's not really. Have a look. It's

Re: gnome app pages (was confusingly Gnome Software Map)

2006-08-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Noreiko wgo/app | projects intro, shots | contact, download, roadmap, ideas Why split? Reaching out to potential GNOME contributors and showing people the wonder of Free Software is our responsibility. Of course there are going to be things that are not appropriate for

Re: gnome app pages (was confusingly Gnome Software Map)

2006-08-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joachim Noreiko --- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see wgo/apps/ page as an about box on steroids. It would be _the_ pace to go to find out some basic info about a gnome app. That's a good way of putting it :) Material that is currently in wgo/projects that is more

Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map

2006-08-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Claus Schwarm This is the point of projects.gnome.org: better maintainability for prgo and wgo as well. The point of my previous email was that projects.gnome.org is an implementation detail (and from my POV, not a good one). I understand all the arguments for it, but I just don't

Re: gnome app pages (was confusingly Gnome Software Map)

2006-08-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gergely Nagy Gergely: s/applications/products/ - or you'll forget about a whole bunch of things that will need to fit in with this. :-) I can't think of any. You mean stuff like gnome-office? Maybe they deserve their own space? Say wgo/office/? Ok, first, don't get hooked on

Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? My initial feeling is no - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented.

Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gergely Nagy Looks like a good start! Here are my thoughts: Hey - this all gets into technical details very quickly, without much in the way of problem definition before the fact. I've mentioned this before about the proposed shift to projects.gnome.org, and wished I'd had time to

Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Claus Schwarm However, since gnomefiles is running well, we should really ask ourselves why we should introduce another one. It doesn't seem like, after some thought about what we want to achieve for ourselves and our users, that anything like gnomefiles is what we want to introduce

Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Eugenia Loli-Queru BTW, is there truly a need to re-invent the wheel and create a new software map? There isn't, and that's hopefully not what we're doing. I don't know why Claus is interpreting the direction of the discussion that way. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney,

Re: Looking for GnomeWeb goals coordinators

2006-07-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil Have a look at the 2.16 goals at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/Goals and suggest any change now. Under 2.16 goals, one of the unassigned tasks is move projects subsites out of wgo - I strongly think this should be deferred, because I've yet to see any analysis for what we

Re: Experiences with these CMSs

2006-07-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil The decision must be made also having in mind the context for next releases. Aspects as user integration with other web tools we are using, integration of eCommerce/donation system and CRM tool are also relevant. Neither of those things (including the CMS itself) has to be

Re: *.gnome.org partitioning draft

2006-07-20 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Calum Benson Of course, nautilus is a particularly troublesome case anyway, because many users will potentially never know that their file manager is called 'nautilus' at all. So perhaps we'd need to set up something like gnome.org/filemanager as well... Dodge the bullet

Re: *.gnome.org partitioning draft

2006-07-18 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil - Do you agree moving from www.gnome.org/projects/* to projects.gnome.org/*? It helps defining better what wgo is about and gives more of an own identity to the projects. Old URLs would redirect automatically to the new ones. Before making this decision, please figure out

Wiki changes [Was: Personas]

2006-07-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David Neary Look at RecentChanges regularly. It used to be available as an RSS feed, but that seems to have dropped off with the recent upgrade. The RSS feed is definitely still there, and you can turn on diffs as well, which is very handy. You can put '.' in the subscriptions

Re: wgo url policy

2006-07-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary Minimal redundancy Avoid multiple URLs for a given page. Currently both http://gnome.org and http://www.gnome.org exist. I suggest to forward all gnome.org access to www.gnome.org. Are there any duplicate pages on wgo now? These are not duplicate pages, they are

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Iain * Kathy's talk on passionate users, Apple's Mac vs PC adverts and their success with making things cool have shown us that people don't care about what a computer can do, but what they can do with a computer (there may be more of a difference in my mind, I'm just lacking a good

Re: gnome.org revamp - next steps

2006-07-09 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil - CMS: we need agreed platform(s) to start building upon. Greg Nagy is responsible of defining the requirements and get to a resolution. The CMS needs to be able to authenticate users against LDAP, and possibly use LDAP groups for authorisation (though our requirements there

Re: wgo revamp timeline (proposal)

2006-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Guilherme de S. Pastore Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 14.02 +0200, Quim Gil ha scritto: July 26th: End of www.gnome.org revamp planning (aka feature freeze). Policies, licensing and wgo platform (CMS) agreed. *Please* not drupal. I think a worthwhile rule for this entire

Re: Not for me and maybe a lot of other people

2006-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the designated 'stable' garnome release 2.14 and tried to get it to work. It did not. Before replying to the rest of your mail, it's worth pointing out that using GARNOME is not for the light-hearted - it is really designed for testers and developers of GNOME

Re: GNOME and Ohio Linux Fest 2006

2006-07-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Patrick Wagstrom 1. I've been looking at the responses for speakers, and I haven't seen anyone propose a GNOME talk yet. The call for speakers closes on July 10th. Is there someone who could give a 30-90 minute talk (in past years, most were 45 minutes or so) on GNOME? Ah, I've

Re: Photo Library for Marketing

2006-06-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Murray Cumming I guess that sooner or later we're going to do some Happy Gnome People advertising campaign. When we do that we'll want some high quality photos of some attractive people, in some consistent style (though that could be a post-processing thing). We'll have to use

Re: slide templates missing?

2006-06-20 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/MarketingMaterial#head-f72c708eaa7de9260bbc0fca4c963701be5909c7 All those links are 404 :/ Anyone know where they went to, or have copies we could upload to the wiki? It would be great to get them back up and announce them to guadec

Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] Siggraph tradeshow]

2006-04-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary Is siggraph something we should be interested in? Projects like the GIMP have participated before, and with the usage GNOME is getting in Hollywood, perhaps it's something we should consider. Perhaps we can ring in a favour from Dreamworks - I wonder if they have a booth

Re: Dark background foot

2006-04-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Murray Cumming On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 16:47 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Check the changelog before you hit send! http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges That should probably go at the top, in the place of that TODO comment. I guess that it might be a bit more attractive with a thicker

Re: The way forward

2006-03-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Corey Burger So for 2.16 I propose that we do away with the community annoucement. It only serves to confuse. To me, community annoucements come on people's blogs and Planet GNOME, not to annouce lists. Disagree. It's worth having an announcement in our own voice (even though we

Re: Press releases

2006-03-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Corey Burger This is now on the wiki at: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen/PressRelease thanks to the excellent suggestion of jeff. I'm going to do an editing run later tonight (want to fix up some clunky wording and s/features/benefits/ in certain places), and team up with

Re: Promotion campaign for GNOME 2.14 release?

2006-02-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Santiago Roza On 2/24/06, Alex Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember him saying he was switching to Kubuntu when Dapper comes out? no exactly, luckily. he said he was now using Kubuntu on his desktop machine:

Re: Simple Idea for Gnome Journal

2006-02-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh quote who=Steve George a. They aren't that well-read other than if the person says something really outstanding. People like celebrity and controversy. It's really important to mix up the questions - have some standard ones, but always think about the person

Re: Simple Idea for Gnome Journal

2006-02-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Steve George a. They aren't that well-read other than if the person says something really outstanding. People like celebrity and controversy. It's really important to mix up the questions - have some standard ones, but always think about the person on the other end, current events,

Re: Buzz measurement with Blogs

2006-02-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa It would be interesting for someone to correlate those spikes with particular bits of news. Presumably the december spike on both camps was Linus; I have no idea what happened in late January to spike us. GNOME.conf.au of course! :-) - Jeff -- FISL 7.0: Porto Alegre,

Re: Promotion campaign for GNOME 2.14 release?

2006-02-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Steve George According to the timeline (http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen) we're about a month away from GNOME 2.14 product release. Aside from release notes what about doing a promotional campaign for the products launch? This would be an ideal way to generate some buzz and

Re: Upcoming Events: GNOME.conf.au, FOSDEM, LWE SFO

2006-01-19 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa We'll of course be present at LWE Boston, even if Jeff will not grace us with his presence. ;) More details forthcoming... I hadn't seen any prepatory info about it, so figured I'd just announce the ones I was familiar with (not necessarily going to myself). - Jeff --

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Santiago Roza I dunno - with old board members, new board members, and people who should have been elected (!!!) i don't understand what you mean by should have been elected; could you please explain? That was just a little off-topic public gripe. There are people who I would

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Santiago Roza well, it's marketing (or to be exact, public relations) 101... you (as an organization) don't just shut up when someone trashes your image. go write a high-profile article trashing coca-cola or intel or whatever big brand, and see if their public relations department

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Santiago Roza I don't think we fear Linus. well i think we do. if the very idea of sending him a politely disagreeing message is seen as too risky, that sounds like fear. Dude - Chris, Nat, Havoc and I each politely disagreed with his message, in the appropriate forum. The

Re: Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Murray Cumming It would be harmless to change it to Gnome if the marketing team decided that this is a good idea. Except that a large proportion of the project would like it to remain the way it is. We've gone over this before, numerous times. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006:

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Santiago Roza i think we're pretty much obsessed with the real gnome, but we need to accept that the real gnome is the one real people receive with real distros... In large part, we do, as we're very pragmatic about our relationship with distributions and other major projects. They

Pure?

2005-12-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David Neary So concentrate on simple, and pure. How much do you think 'pure' resonates with, say, my Mum? Let's start from the top: She doesn't understand or care about software freedom, and getting her to use GNOME should not depend on that understanding. So, 'pure' as a concept

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dan Winship The same principle should hold for GNOME. If we are actually better than our competitors, than all we have to do is make sure that the distros realize this (by marketing ourselves *to the distros*), and we win. And if we *aren't* better than our competitors, then we're

Re: GNOME motto brainstorming

2005-12-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=YetZero I think Intuitive by design has the two words that mostly represent Gnome at least for me, and it's not a cliche phrase, I think it has potential. intuitive and design are features, not benefits. Let's put this in the context of a tennis ball: Feature: bright green (user

Re: LinuxWorld 2005 London

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Wood LinuxWorld Expo in London is in a couple of days, and things are in place for an excellent GNOME stand this year. In addition to the normal marketing, I was wondering if the marketing team had any specific requests for things we could be doing, like questions to ask

Re: LinuxWorld 2005 London

2005-10-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Wood Suggestion: Get a GNOME LiveCD image on the Freedom Toaster that the Ubuntu folks will be hosting. Talk to Scott James Remnant, Cced. Nice idea - we have 100 LiveCDs already printed to hand out, but if we run out I could give them a shout? No, I'd suggest making

Re: It's a jungle out there

2005-09-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Murray Cumming On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 18:55 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: I did some doodles of a parrot drinking coffie and decided that was java, I'm still trying to come up with a good animal for C++, would be nice to have something that lives in the jungle. Sorry, C++ has

Re: GNOME 2.12 Live CD contains beta packages + suggestion

2005-09-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rahul Sundaram http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD ... and the first on the list is the Ubuntu LiveCD, based on Casper, which is incredibly easy to customise. Pretty sure that's why it was used for the GNOME LiveCD. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand

Re: release notes: Mandrakesoft/Mandriva

2005-09-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz Le lundi 05 septembre 2005 à 02:35 +0200, Reinout van Schouwen a écrit : Hi, Just wanted to point out that a string in the release notes mentions Mandrakesoft. The company has been renamed to Mandriva. Please adjust the text. :) Also: GNOME 2.12 is the

Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa If someone could proof/comment, I'd appreciate it. Suggestions: * remove Desktop and Platform from the heading and para 1, because we ship more than the desktop and platform, and calling the whole thing GNOME X a stronger message of coherency. * remote

Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa If someone could proof/comment, I'd appreciate it. * Release Notes link goes to notes/ instead of notes/C/ - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ When's the last time you heard of the police having to intervene at an

Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa and remove the icky people who actually did the work bit. I was attempting there to make it non-marketese; am open to other explanations of what the community announce is. Right, but there's non-marketese and there's ugly, unwelcoming phrases. How about is the official

Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa Someone picks it up and runs with it, despite any warnings. Oh, I see what you mean. I've, uh, tried to deal with it. ;) We've done that before, too. - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero I think it will be

Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa shrug If someone else wants to fix it, fine. But I'm not fucking with our shit build system yet again. Dude. It's not that hard. Also, !-- ... --- as we've done before. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ Warning:

Re: quick logo hack request

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa Rock! No offense, Dave, but I'm going with this one ;) Oh, hrm... how is IE doing with png these days? I wouldn't normally care much, but obviously windows users are a big target for the livecd. Should have thought about that last night... Only matters if you're doing

Re: another mild call for volunteers [was Re: made some release notes 'splash' changes]

2005-08-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa a) Please use /start/ which is intended for this - no more mess! Start and the release notes are a mess exactly because we are cramming all these different, mostly unrelated functions into it Okay, so don't suggest adding yet another location! The operative word in my

Re: Software freedom day

2005-08-19 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary We're a little late on the get-go, but I think we should do something for Software Freedom Day - http://softwarefreedomday.org/ - September 10th this year. Don't know why it didn't occur to me to pimp this to GNOME, we've been doing lots of stuff about it in Australia and

Re: Why Google funds open source development?

2005-08-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil All the (very few) infos I've read about the Summer of Code talk about free projects, young developers and money... but they don't mention why Google is funding them. Chris Dibona (who is running SoC and Google's Open Source efforts) says they love Open Source, use Open

TUX Magazine Reader's Choice Awards [Was: Some criticisms of GNOME]

2005-08-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David Neary Here's an e-mail I got from the editor of tuxmag, which details some criticisms of the desktop. It raises some points that are interesting, and to which we should probably have an answer. Meanwhile, vote in the TUX Magazine Reader's Choice Awards, here:

Re: upcoming tuxmag article

2005-08-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Travis Reitter Do we need a standard FUD response (like a standard FAQ)? Guys, there was no FUD in this email, just a lot of standard Nick Petreley attitude. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ You put on the pants, and the

Re: Pronouncing GNOME

2005-08-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Simos Xenitellis I feel it would be good to push forward a common pronounciation, at least for the purposes of marketing. We do push forward a common pronounciation, given that *we* say it correctly all the time, and there are people listening. :-) - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October

Re: GNOME Logo Font

2005-08-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy I added 6 more variations using fonts that I *think* are ok to use - Nimbus Sans L Regular, Grotesk Bold came with a GPL license... I'm not 100% on the others... Thanks. :-) re-load to see: http://www.linuxgrrl.com/gnome-logos/ Still prefer Vera Sans Bold out of the

Re: GNOME Logo Font

2005-08-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy However, if Trebuchet is difficult to come by then I have a feeling the guidelines won't be followed. I tend to agree, though Trebuchet is not really difficult to come by; the packages that everyone uses are freely redistributable (then MS changed the EULA). Besides

Re: GNOME Logo Font

2005-08-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Simos Xenitellis Additional free fonts are MgOpen (http://www.ellak.gr/fonts/mgopen/). See MgOpen Cosmetica Bold. Yes, that has a lot of potential! Very approachable. Thanks for pointing it out. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20th

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