Hi,
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:33:38 +0200
Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pragmatism: it is sensible to say that Evolution needs to be featured
somewhere in wgo. And we are going to have a list of featured
products. Let's move forward.
You're leading. It's your decision.
Now that the
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quim, and Gazim was it? Not scrolling is soo
overrated. Screen sizes
(and windows sizes!) are not uniform, so there is no
way of avoiding
scrolling. (To rant a bit, I hate designs which
impose too much
structure on a web page. It might look cool on
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 04:15 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
Software Map is not the right way to approach these problems, and it's not
the right way to get things our users care about on the page.
Fair enough, I'll back my stubborn ass off the case :)
To summarize:
- Our focus now is to present the
Pragmatism: it is sensible to say that Evolution needs to be featured
somewhere in wgo. And we are going to have a list of featured products.
Let's move forward.
El dt 08 de 08 del 2006 a les 13:59 +0200, en/na Claus Schwarm va
escriure:
When I say product page I mean
Now that the product
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 15:33 +0200, Quim Gil wrote:
COMMENTS ABOUT GOOGLE RESULTS
However, it will be nearly impossible to get Evolution
homepage into the top list for a search term like 'Email client'
Interestingly, doing a search for evolution site:gnome.org gives 2
distinct results (and
El dl 07 de 08 del 2006 a les 15:54 +0200, en/na Gergely Nagy va
escriure:
I suggested the wgo/apps/appname URL instead of wgo/projects/appname
I think at this point we agree that we are talking about
applications/products/software and not about projects/teams/people for
this specific case. We
Hi,
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:12:05 +0200
Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I still don't see why it is us wgo maintainers offending people.
Because *we* obviously decide which projects gets promoted with the
GNOME web resources. If our choice appears to be arbitrary, people
may get angry (or
quote who=Gergely Nagy
Hmm. So we are talking about leaving wgo/projects/* _as is_ for this
release
Given the state of plans for dealing with /projects/ I'd say that ought to
be an unqualified YES (though I've suggested this before).
My humble vote is against a bastard solution where both
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 02:36 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Gergely Nagy
Jeff: I'm obsessed with URLs because it reflects the organization of
content, which is what we are discussing here.
Talking about URLs just distracts from your focus on the design. You're
putting the horse
quote who=Gergely Nagy
The original subject of this thread was Software Map
Which is the wrong way to think about the problem, isn't it? That's why I'm
pushing for a different way of thinking about it.
Currently /projects/* _is_ just a list of applications
It's not really. Have a look. It's
--- Gezim Hoxha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2006-05-08 at 12:49 +0200, Gergely Nagy
wrote:
Hi,
Hi.
All right, so let's get back to basics :)
We seem to need to do this, every now and then.
Clearly, for these pages to make some sense at
all, there has to be some
quote who=Joachim Noreiko
wgo/app | projects
intro, shots | contact, download, roadmap, ideas
Why split? Reaching out to potential GNOME contributors and showing people
the wonder of Free Software is our responsibility. Of course there are going
to be things that are not appropriate for
Hi, Quim!
Thanks for the summery.
I suggest to rename the page
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap, then.
In fact, after reading the page again, Murray asked the most relevant
question right in the beginning: What is the purpose of the list?
I'm was just asking the same question:
I've drawn a diagram:
http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)NewWgoStructure/attachments/gnomeproductpages.pdf
As I see it:
www.gnome.org/evolution or www.gnome.org/inkscape are product
information pages. One illustrated page with links, if possible without
scrolling. They don't aim to be
--- Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote who=Joachim Noreiko
wgo/app | projects
intro, shots | contact, download, roadmap, ideas
Why split? Reaching out to potential GNOME
contributors and showing people
the wonder of Free Software is our responsibility.
Of course there
Hi,
All right, so let's get back to basics :)
Clearly, for these pages to make some sense at all, there has to be some
added value. Let's try to enumerate these first...
- authoritative
by this i mean it will be the hopefully best maintained and relevant
info source on an application relevant
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see wgo/apps/ page as an about box on steroids. It
would be _the_ pace
to go to find out some basic info about a gnome app.
That's a good way of putting it :)
Material that is currently in wgo/projects that is
more aimed at developers should go
quote who=Joachim Noreiko
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see wgo/apps/ page as an about box on steroids. It would be _the_ pace
to go to find out some basic info about a gnome app.
That's a good way of putting it :)
Material that is currently in wgo/projects that is more
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:54 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Joachim Noreiko
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see wgo/apps/ page as an about box on steroids. It would be _the_ pace
to go to find out some basic info about a gnome app.
That's a good way of putting it :)
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:54 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Joachim Noreiko
--- Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see wgo/apps/ page as an about box on
steroids. It would be _the_ pace
to go to find out some basic info about a
Jeff Waugh wrote :
Secondly, as someone mentioned on this list only
a week or so ago, look at all the Apple product sites (also that you
can get
info about almost any product using www.apple.com/productSecondly,
as someone mentioned on this list only
Yeah, I really like the apple.com's way.
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 16:02 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote:
Suppose I am a potential developer, interested in
Nautilus.
I need to be directed towards pages that tell me...
- who is currently working on nautilus
- how to communicate with them (mailing list, irc)
- what's in the development
Hi,
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:02:23 +0100 (BST)
Joachim Noreiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's all too much technical detail for wgo, and it
will detract from pages aimed at users.
Some more thoughts about the topic:
* What about the Windows port of Evolution? Say, a Windows uses
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:22:55 +1000
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where easily satisfied on my terms demands some introspective
thought and design. Just saying whack up a home page or create
projects.gnome.org does *not* satisfy my questions - in fact that's
the whole reason I've been
An attempt to get conclusions from this interesting discussion.
1. DIFFERENT LAYERS AND GOALS
- All the discussion refers to content located at www.gnome.org EXCEPT
the wgo/project/* subsites that we are not going to touch at all in this
release (and might or might not become
quote who=Claus Schwarm
This is the point of projects.gnome.org: better maintainability for prgo
and wgo as well.
The point of my previous email was that projects.gnome.org is an
implementation detail (and from my POV, not a good one). I understand all
the arguments for it, but I just don't
quote who=Gergely Nagy
Gergely: s/applications/products/ - or you'll forget about a whole bunch
of things that will need to fit in with this. :-)
I can't think of any. You mean stuff like gnome-office? Maybe they deserve
their own space? Say wgo/office/?
Ok, first, don't get hooked on
On Sat, 2006-05-08 at 12:49 +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Hi,
Hi.
All right, so let's get back to basics :)
We seem to need to do this, every now and then.
Clearly, for these pages to make some sense at all, there has to be some
added value. Let's try to enumerate these first...
-
Hello,
I am in charge off the GNOME Software Map. I wrote a draft [1] on the
wiki but I need your opinion about what I wrote to start.
So... please have a look at it and let me know your ideas/opinions.
Thanks in advance.
[1]: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap
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On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 13:06 +0200, Simon Rozet wrote:
I am in charge off the GNOME Software Map. I wrote a draft [1] on the
wiki but I need your opinion about what I wrote to start.
[1]: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap
Hi,
Looks like a good start! Here are my thoughts
quote who=Gergely Nagy
Looks like a good start! Here are my thoughts:
Hey - this all gets into technical details very quickly, without much in the
way of problem definition before the fact. I've mentioned this before about
the proposed shift to projects.gnome.org, and wished I'd had time to
--- Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we need to get beyond the idea of software
map or projects and
start thinking about how we can best serve the needs
of our users - and our
software maintainers! Some things that we should
think about can not even be
boiled down to cvs or
Gnomefiles has an unfriendly url scheme. Try guessing the app id...
Fixed:
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/SSH+Tunnel+Manager
Also, gnomefiles.org is _not_ authoritative
I am not sure what this means.
and not translated.
No, and it will never be, because the developers only write their NEWS
Why compete in the first place?
BTW, sorry if I misunderstood (it's not clear what the Software Map really
is). Is SoftwareMap a generic gtk/gnome software repository, or specific
official Gnome product-app pages?
Eugenia
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quote who=Claus Schwarm
However, since gnomefiles is running well, we should really ask ourselves
why we should introduce another one.
It doesn't seem like, after some thought about what we want to achieve for
ourselves and our users, that anything like gnomefiles is what we want to
introduce
quote who=Eugenia Loli-Queru
BTW, is there truly a need to re-invent the wheel and create a new
software map?
There isn't, and that's hopefully not what we're doing. I don't know why
Claus is interpreting the direction of the discussion that way.
- Jeff
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On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 17:46 -0700, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote:
[snip]
So no, I am not
willing to remove non-Free apps from the listing.
[snip]
Nobody is asking you to do this, and I don't think anybody (well, maybe
RMS) ever asked you to.
Thanks for the recent changes. Commercial demo, not Free
We are looking at using an out-of-the-box CMS for www.gnome.org. These
usually come with build-in feed display support. We'd rather not tweak
that with custom hacks.
Maybe the CMS will be able to filter message according to tags ? So
providing only one feed with tags (license, category, ...)
, last year I (personally, of course) asked for this in
the context of remaining the official GNOME software map, and I wasn't
completely happy with the pretty tame stance we took as a board. It was
a compromise position.
Cheers,
Dave.
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asked you to.
That's not right, last year I (personally, of course) asked for this in
the context of remaining the official GNOME software map, and I wasn't
completely happy with the pretty tame stance we took as a board. It was
a compromise position.
Cheers,
Dave.
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- In the GNOME Software Map we will feature at least a link to
gnomefiles.org, with the comments we feel needed. We can also include
their feed, or maybe we find the way to have a feed with only free apps
if we think this is appropriate.
What I can do is modify the RSS feed and when there's a non
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