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While Neil's analysis of the nature of the E.U. and the Tory Party is largely correct, I take issue with his analysis of those that support Remain: " The main backers of Remain and a new vote on Brexit are the big capitalists, the professional middle class, and sections of the well-paid working class." I don't think there's really any evidence to support that. Big capitalists and PMC do largely support Remain, but on the basis of the vote in the referendum, much more of the working class voted Remain than just "sections of the well-paid working class". Wayne Asher made this point much better than I can ( http://secure-web.cisco.com/1Ccgm2_bpkeKTepW2Yj1n5Ta0MK8cKbB8qJ55E5Nnnut9Za0-SQqqvvQdeBjQFauUZT-W-zjFcX0B0Ec6_LFVnGJhJO0Bxh9t8wsVOoDhZqMKr6RVCzEMS4Z199TEGHyw0fRIDA2NFDPYQ_08De1YnomfEJfqJKXZkhhksQhbiFJFFZXQtT2mWXm04Qaq5MxAJHA5qOGN0EkcY4hiJO_RC21BLqBU4SqjiFU4jyIyx0EFvXDAjLYWEOC1WJybJp9wVGvOL55Tn6ZrULmlVUrpacSFAHDhARU2X3PNNe0UXD0oFm2ftM6do20iQK7zUYl-gXJNNomdxXI3zzR6_btX8j9EURR7cbi7q0CO9BidSTMnNFDcYq5_ID0jfQ5SKpTV/http%3A%2F%2Fisj.org.uk%2Fthe-left-and-brexit%2F%29%3A ● "Two out of three Labour voters voted Remain. (I suppose that voting Labour rather than Tory counts as the minimum entry level of class consciousness.) ● A majority of those in work voted Remain, irrespective of whether they were in part-time or full-time work. ● Two-thirds (67 percent) of those describing themselves as Asian voted Remain. Four out of five black voters (73 percent) voted Remain, and 70 percent of Muslim voters did so too. These voters obviously understand the real dog-whistle message during the referendum campaign. ● The generally accepted idea that working class areas voted massively for Leave is only partially correct; many did, but traditional working class areas in London delivered the highest Remain votes (peaking at 75 percent in Haringey and 78 percent in Hackney and Lambeth). Remain won in most of the great working class regional capitals (Bristol, Cardiff, Leicester, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.) Only three cities of similar importance voted Leave and even then they did so by tiny margins (Birmingham, Sheffield, Nottingham). Working class Scotland voted massively for Remain of course." On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:30 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On 9/18/19 3:11 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: > > > > Davidson clearly stands for Brexit. > > I must have missed his Spiked-Online article, I guess. > > It strikes me that the only thing he is forthright about is the need for > the left to break with sectarianism: > > That indicates that we’re coming to an end of a particular way of > building revolutionary organization and its relationship with social and > labor movements. We’ve tested that method for half a century but have > not managed to succeed. That’s one reason why Kautskyism is making a bit > of a comeback, and, although that’s not the answer, it’s clear that we > have to do something differently, because it’s not going to happen like > 1917 in Russia. > > Now, how to do that is a question. We need intellectual clarity about > what we’re doing, first and foremost. The approach of the British > International Socialists back in the early 1960s is more like what we > need to do today. It was about 500 people, it had real analysis of the > dynamics of the system, and it was open and fluid and really more > “Luxemburgist” than Leninist. So, we need revolutionary organization of > that sort. > > In the movements we need to gather together people who agree and want to > collaborate, regardless of organizational affiliation, around shared > viewpoints to push demands on a left government if it comes to power. > This is classic united-front tactics, and it might be easier in Scotland > than Britain as a whole. But we have to work together on what we agree > on, like anti-austerity, freedom of movement, more democracy, defense > and expansion of the welfare state, and so on. > > We have come to the end of the process of party building that began in > the 1960s. We are in a new phase and there are new movements. Of course, > there are similarities with the past, and there will always be as long > as capitalism exists; but the left should stop expecting tomorrow to be > like yesterday and the day before that. > > There are new things happening, like the struggle over climate change. > And the most interesting thing today is how these new movements are > adopting working-class methods of struggle. Just look at how climate > activists, the International Women’s Strike, and immigrants’ rights > groups have all turned to striking as the way to advance their demands. > > That’s interesting because it means that working-class methods of > organizing are developing within the movement, but not as a result of > initiatives from the unions or left organizations. It’s coming up > organically, with people realizing that if you want to have an impact > you have to shut down institutions and workplaces by striking. Out of > this dynamic, we have to find our way to build new forms of > revolutionary organization and parties to fight for transformation of > the system into socialism. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1IUzHSdC9A6H3ELa9ovQ4LDIaM03ccVKIsAovNc69i6k6OeWoGcbdiOp_G4d0ZracxugacG-UNRmRpp4azB55x7PzCYjBaUt01RIpmX4EeLP1knyZDhadK9TYPs_UfpjBsyJ12NbNLvGdqiotqDvjVdgGhekb77r-TovtgLw2vHYWZR2lKdiqcQ9fk20P73f-YFAu7CxWBjwe6Uqw7z780dv5pyL8SJFCb2MWQbVRqoSACPIIwtmF5FuTB5PLahHXmeWUOEiKwrTdIDkilr-fjB7wxnra996b440nTIQ6c_8uaehaTl7iJWRdvj17UOeDiBp6ey7sytFg3hdiPxuvd6Ws4bLgei-Nc42X4tU0pCcGAHFs8D2l6CFU3N-HdbmJGDBQGqQY7EPUrckqXCPB2A/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marxmail.org%2Fsub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nelsontim86%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
