Re: [Marxism] Bild.de: The truth about Assad's war on Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 23:43 23-08-15 +1000, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote: -Original Message- From: Clay Claiborne via Marxism (asking Luko): ARE YOU CLAIMING THIS STUFF ISN'T HAPPENING? Are you like Assad? What barrel-bombs? Are you one of those? I very much doubt Luko is like Assad, but yes he does appear to be one of those. Minor point, but I don't think Clay was asking if Luko was like Assad in multiple respects. But only whether he was, like Assad, denying the brutality of the regime. With a specific allusion to Assad's notorious interview with the BBC where he claimed to know nothing about any barrel bombs. So in that respect, I do agree that Luko seems to have become one of those, thus like Assad. But I'd like the discussion on this list to remain civil, and for Clay's charge not to be misinterpreted as saying something even more extreme about Luko. The fact that Luko is willing to ignore or deny what the Syrian ruling class is doing to maintain its power is bad enough. Or perhaps Luko would like to calmly respond and tell us how serious he thinks the regime's human rights abuses are, and how those might be justified. For the sake of argument, Luko, let's say that the target of Assad's air force were only ISIS. What justification would there be for the use of chemical weapons or dropping barrel bombs in populated areas? - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bild.de: The truth about Assad's war on Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Perhaps I wasn't clear but I certainly didn't mean to imply any across-the-board comparison when I wrote: ARE YOU CLAIMING THIS STUFF ISN'T HAPPENING? Are you like Assad? What barrel-bombs? Are you one of those? I meant, did he also deny Assad's campaign of Death from Above as Assad does, both Assad and many of his supporters on the Left deny that he even uses barrel-bombs. I have to conclude that not only is he an Assad supporter, he is functioning as an Assad propagandist on this list. Why did he feel compelled to post a response to my posting of the BILD piece if he had nothing of substance to say about the content of the article? Not one fact presented is disputed - and this is an indictment of mass murder - serious business. Instead he makes the outrageous claim everything published in BILD is false. How can that possibly be true? Even a broke clock is right twice a day. Assad needs outspoken supporters on the Left who Question More whenever evidence of his war crimes is presented, but this is not some intellectual game and those people have blood on their hands. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Michael Karadjis mkarad...@gmail.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Clay Claiborne via Marxism (asking Luko): ARE YOU CLAIMING THIS STUFF ISN'T HAPPENING? Are you like Assad? What barrel-bombs? Are you one of those? I very much doubt Luko is like Assad, but yes he does appear to be one of those. That is, Luko is a Trotskyist who, through some kind of miraculous misuse of dogma, or self-deception, manages to convince himself that that means supporting a capitalist dictatorship that wages barbarous war against its working classes. This then leads to further miracles: someone who disagrees with his pro-ruling class view is then accused of ignoring class. All quite remarkable how we've ended up here. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Assad worst than ISIS: Another 50 civilians murdered in Douma today
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/23/15 5:00 AM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote: They act against the interests of the Arab and other oppressed nations, which is to unite against US imperialism, the enemigo de la humanidad, the enemy of hunankind as the Sandinista hymn so aptly called it. But the USA is already bombing the rebels rather than providing them a no-fly zone, not surprising given its implicit understanding that al-Assad is a lesser evil to al-Qaeda in Syria--the al-Nusra front. In fact the anti-imperialist left is quite happy when the USA bombed ISIS to help the Kurds as Patrick Cockburn indicated. It is so ironic that the 2003 antiwar crowd is now adopting the same posture with respect to Syria that Christopher Hitchens had for Iraq. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Africa, China and the West: an Exchange With Thomas Mountain
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[Marxism] Europe, population decline, immigration
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Two interesting pieces below from the Guardian on how immigration could help ease Europe's problems with declining population: Silent blight in a countryside of empty homes and shut shops http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/europe-rural-urban-migration-threat-countryside ...and... Get rid of the immigrants? No, we can’t get enough of them, says German mayor http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/16/goslar-germany-we-cant-get-enough-immigrants-oliver-junk _ The liberals writing these pieces think they are being creative, enlightened, and/or even rational, but under capitalism - especially capitalism in crisis - this policy always creates new contradictions and tensions, which need to be acknowledged and addressed in these discussions. It's not that I think the liberals are wrong, it's just that they are willfully naive about the dynamics of immigration within a capitalist world system divided into nation states that bestow a certain status on outsiders which places firm constraints on the demands that those outsiders can make on said nation-states. The immigrants have an unstable status, which makes them vulnerable to superexploitation. Meanwhile, 30 years of creeping neoliberalism has served to erode social support systems and increase the reserve army of unemployed among native workers, hence heightening tensions among natives and newcomers. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Juan Cole - Youth revolts are back in Lebanon and Iraq
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[Marxism] Guardian: Pesticides in paradise: Hawaii's spike in birth defects puts focus on GM crops
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Re: [Marxism] a different take on recent demonstrations in Ecuador
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * And don't miss the comments posted below the article, including from Ecuadorians. A different take, indeed. Yes, from the comments we are informed that this is a USA/zionist-backed color revolution. Those poor indios who can't think for themselves are getting duped once again.(yes I'm being sarcastic). I'm just curious if the Luis Maca quoted in the article is actually ex-CONAIE president Luis Macas. He drank me under the table once but he forgot his head gear. Can't recall how we got his hat back to him. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Robots and AI: utopia or dystopia? part one | Michael Roberts Blog
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Re: [Marxism] a different take on recent demonstrations in Ecuador
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * And don't miss the comments posted below the article, including from Ecuadorians. A different take, indeed. -Original Message- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Brasky via Marxism Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:04 AM To: rfidle...@sympatico.ca Subject: [Marxism] a different take on recent demonstrations in Ecuador http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42695.htm _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/rfidler_8%40sympatico.ca _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] a different take on recent demonstrations in Ecuador
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://tinyurl.com/pd8tbut http://tinyurl.com/ne9gwul From: Greg McDonald [mailto:gregm...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 7:42 AM To: Richard Fidler; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] a different take on recent demonstrations in Ecuador And don't miss the comments posted below the article, including from Ecuadorians. A different take, indeed. Yes, from the comments we are informed that this is a USA/zionist-backed color revolution. Those poor indios who can't think for themselves are getting duped once again.(yes I'm being sarcastic). I'm just curious if the Luis Maca quoted in the article is actually ex-CONAIE president Luis Macas. He drank me under the table once but he forgot his head gear. Can't recall how we got his hat back to him. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Africa, China and the West: an Exchange With Thomas Mountain
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/23/15 8:30 AM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote http://stillhomeron.blogspot.com/2015/08/africa-china-and-west-exchange-with.html Thomas Mountain: Chinese aid has built more schools, hospitals, water and electric infrastructure than all the western governments and the UN combined, and is set to do much more if the present programs that have been announced are implemented. China recognizes that Africa needs educated and skilled personnel to help develop African resources and it is in China’s interest to help make this happen. Again, doing this is a long term investment that will pay off for China, both in good will and in their companies’ bottom lines. --- http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/409374/The-Remarkable-Raj-Why-Britain-should-be-proud-of-its-rule-in-India Dr Lalvani, who came to the UK in 1956 to study, believes that both nations benefited from the trade links that were firmly established in the 17th century and continued under the often maligned East India Company, which founded its first trading post in Surat, on the west coast of India, in 1613. Within 40 years it had another 22 bases, supplying the motherland with everything from salt to opium. At the time India, a country of disparate states, had no uniform government and it seemed that France might gain control as it also sought to expand its empire overseas. That prospect was ended by the victory of Robert Clive over French forces at Plassey, in Bengal, in 1757. It paved the way for the British Raj to rule India for almost two centuries, for the East India Company to thrive and for fortunes to be made by individuals. There were cases of corruption and greed and cruel reprisals against opponents but Dr Lalviani says: It is important to note that there is a substantial list on the credit side. They include railways, roads, canals, mines, sewers, plantations and the establishment of English law and language. Great cities including Bombay, Calcutta and Madras were built and some of the finest universities and museums in India were founded. The first definitive atlas of India was drawn and there were great social reforms, such as the eradication of thugee (violent highway robbery), the banning of the custom of suttee (the burning of widows on the husband's funeral pyre) and female infanticide. (clip) _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] 'Corbyn has links to deranged warmonger' claims Tony Blair
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Re: [Marxism] Assad worst than ISIS: Another 50 civilians murdered in Douma today
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Sonntag, 23. August 2015 at 04:26, A.R. G via Marxism wrote, querying Clay Claiborne Wait, are you saying that the US should impose a no-fly zone? Yes, Mr. Claiborne is a 100% supporter of US imperialism Have the rebel groups called for such a measure to be taken by the United States? Yes, they called on the enemy to intervene in Syria as in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya by massive bombardements. They are following the tradition of Arab elites to call on the enemies of the Arab nation to help one of the cliques aiming to be imperialisms stooges to take the absolute power and eliminate all competitors. Just as in 1914-19 looking to British imperalism, and since 1940 to US imperialism. They act against the interests of the Arab and other oppressed nations, which is to unite against US imperialism, the enemigo de la humanidad, the enemy of hunankind as the Sandinista hymn so aptly called it. There is no other way. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: The Intervention of the FI in Greece - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (Kokkino suffered a triple split... The Greek section of the FI needs to maintain its distinct organization... Syriza--sins of commission... The far left in Greece--sins of omission...) Apart from the section, in Greece there are also some other groups who identify in one way or another with the FI. Kokkino is a small group originating mostly from the IST. They have permanent observer status in the FI. They participate in SYRIZA, supporting its Left Platform. Kokkino, in the process of the last SYRIZA Conference suffered a triple split losing half of its membership, which supported the majority Tsipras Platform. The Left Platform in SYRIZA is led by the bureaucracy of the Left Current of the former Synaspismos and supported also by DEA. DEA is a somewhat bigger organization, also a split from the IST (in fact Kokkino is a split of DEA). They don’t have any formal status in the FI, but they have been invited to take part in the FI meetings as a guest since last year. We need to maintain our distinct organization, the FI section, within such a front, as strategic questions, far from becoming obsolete, are getting even more relevant today. full: http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3237 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina is about to fall
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The political crisis in Guatemala just went from critical to full meltdown. On Friday the attorney general, accompanied by the head of a UN-sponsored commission against corruption in Guatemala, announced that former vice-president Roxana Baldetti had been arrested and was being held pending trial on corruption charges. Baldetti had resigned in May following the discovery of a fraud network in customs known as La Linea. But the Attorney General also announced that it was asking for pre-trial proceedings against President Otto Molina Perez to strip him of immunity from prosecution. The evidence showed, she said, that he was the head of La Línea. On Friday afternoon, the leaders of the main business associations demanded Pérez Molina resign; on Saturday, three cabinet members and three vice-ministers resigned and thousands of people gathered in Guatemala City to demand the president's resignation. On Sunday the Archbishop of Guatemala joined in the popular outcry saying the majority of Catholics --the country's largest religious group-- wanted the president gone. Various student, peasant, and worker organizations have announced protests for the coming days demanding Otto Perez's resignation. The president hasn't been seen since shortly after the attorney general's announcement. In response to a habeas corpus petition filed on the president's behalf, a judge went at mid-day Sunday to his residence. People there told her that Perez Molina was not there and that they could give her no information on his whereabouts. Even before the latest revelations, a motion to strip Perez of immunity had received a majority of the votes in Congress the previous week, but not the two-thirds majority necessary for approval. Guatemala is scheduled to have presidential elections in two weeks in which Perez Molina was trying to get himself re-elected. A coalition of some 70 groups headed by the powerful Comité de Unidad Campesina (CUC), an organization of indigenous peasants, has announced a three-day strike starting Tuesday demanding cancellation of the illegitimate, illegal and fraudulent elections. The deepening crisis is bound to have an impact in neighboring Honduras, where for 14 weeks there have been weekly Marchas de las Antorchas (March with Torches) by people calling themselves indignados (meaning those who are outraged, which is also how participants in occupy-type movements in Mexico, Spain and other countries referred to themsleves). The Honduran indignados are demanding the resignation of the president in the wake of the looting of the country's social-security funds and the creation of a UN-sponsored International Commission Against Corruption in Honduras like the one operating in Guatemala. If anything, the Honduras government is even weaker than the one in Guatemala, since it is the bastard child of the 2009 coup against Manuel Zelaya carried out with the cooperation and back-handed support of the Obama administration which officially claimed to oppose it. In both countries powerful criminal gangs fed by superprofits from the drug trade have penetrated all spheres of society including the government and the police. It is a situation similar to that in some parts of Mexico, like the state of Guerrero, where 43 students from a teachers college were kidnapped by the Iguala police who were said to be acting on behalf of local crime bosses, including the mayor from the leftist Revolutionary Democratic Party (PRD) and his wife. In El Salvador the political situation is different and the government seems to be more stable, but an escalating war against two U.S.-originated mafias, the Mara Salvatrucha and Calle 18, are sinking the country into a bloodbath unseen since the civil war in the 1980s. In the week that started last Sunday, August 16, at least 246 people were killed, an average of 35 a day. The number of homicides has been steadily growing for a year, since a truce with the cartels established under the previous government fell apart. To get an idea of the magnitude of the bloodbath, remember that El Salvador is the smallest country in Central America, with a land area and population comparable to that of metro Atlanta, where I live. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Ecuadorians struggle for land reform and food sovereignty
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Social movements have long waited for meaningful and concrete progress towards land reform and food sovereignty in Ecuador. These movements are seeking the approval of the land law — a policy reform that would radically transform land tenure and property rights in Ecuador. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/59860 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
