[Marxism] A Bohemian Comic Rhapsody

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[Marxism] Haven't We Had Enough?

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[Marxism] Protesters evicted as Rice pushes US ideals Local paper on Condi Rice talk at Military College

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[Marxism] Bernie Sanders Cannot Save US

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[Marxism] The Evil Thar Was Phoenix

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[Marxism] Making Rabble Rousing Relevant Again--The Return of Class Struggle Unionism

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[Marxism] The Pacification That Never Ends

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[Marxism] Quantrill's Raiders Come to Ferguson

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[Marxism] Amnesty for Anslinger's Lawbreakers

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[Marxism] Rational Unreason of Imperial War

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[Marxism] Palestine Will Win

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[Marxism] Mr. Kurtz Comes to America

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[Marxism] Imperialism, Repressive Tolerance and Resistance

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[Marxism] Osama, IS, Assad and pretexts

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[Marxism] Rejecting the Army of One

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[Marxism] Damascus scenes

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I'm just posting a piece.  Not trying to convince anyone of anything at
this point.  I figure the more info from the multiple perspectives can only
help elucidate the matter.  Perhaps I am incorrect in this, but what the
hell

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 http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/24/street-scenes-from-
 a-damascus-neighborhood/


 Ron, aren't you aware that Lamb has been a strong supporter of the
 Baathists, Hizbollah and Iran for many years? If you want to convince
 people that the FSA is a bunch of crooks and thugs, maybe you should look
 elsewhere unless you want to embarrass yourself on purpose.

 More drivel from Lamb on Press-TV:

 Western media outlets have been publishing reports of President Bashar
 al-Assad’s plummeting approval rate, but Franklin Lamb, an international
 lawyer based in Beirut, begs to differ.

 “I think that has never been in real doubt for people who go to Syria and
 talk to people first hand and not rely on the internet in exchanging and
 repeating the same themes,” Lamb said in an exclusive interview with Press
 TV on Friday.

 full: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/18/284288/syrians-
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Re: [Marxism] Damascus scenes

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the two best known supporters on this list of almost any group opposed to
Assad have chimed inanyone else?

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 Frank Lamb? Oh please? May I suggest a correction, in the name of
 accuracy?
 Your statement should read:

 I figure the more dis-info from the multiple perspectives can only
 help confuse the matter.


 Then you would be correct.

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 I'm just posting a piece.  Not trying to convince anyone of anything at
 this point.  I figure the more info from the multiple perspectives can
 only
 help elucidate the matter.  Perhaps I am incorrect in this, but what the
 hell

 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote:

  On 9/24/14 12:16 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:
 
 
  http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/24/street-scenes-from-
  a-damascus-neighborhood/
 
 
  Ron, aren't you aware that Lamb has been a strong supporter of the
  Baathists, Hizbollah and Iran for many years? If you want to convince
  people that the FSA is a bunch of crooks and thugs, maybe you should
 look
  elsewhere unless you want to embarrass yourself on purpose.
 
  More drivel from Lamb on Press-TV:
 
  Western media outlets have been publishing reports of President Bashar
  al-Assad’s plummeting approval rate, but Franklin Lamb, an international
  lawyer based in Beirut, begs to differ.
 
  “I think that has never been in real doubt for people who go to Syria
 and
  talk to people first hand and not rely on the internet in exchanging and
  repeating the same themes,” Lamb said in an exclusive interview with
 Press
  TV on Friday.
 
  full: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/18/284288/syrians-
  show-growing-support-for-assad/
 
 
 
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[Marxism] Lying to Ourselves About the Air War

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[Marxism] A Sordid Mix of Racism and Murder

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[Marxism] Making Liberation: Abolitionism and Its Wake

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[Marxism] The Media and the Paranoid State

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[Marxism] Ain't No Fortunate Son

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[Marxism] Highway 61 Again--A Book Review

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[Marxism] The Masters Make the Rules

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[Marxism] San Francisco in the 1970s...With Paul Krassner

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[Marxism] Love Letter From Paris: Alain Mabanckou’s 'letter to jimmy'

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[Marxism] Ruling Lets Work Email Be Used to Organize Unions

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[Marxism] Drug Wars and Neoliberalism

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[Marxism] It's Not a War on Cops in NYC

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[Marxism] Free Speech in Manhattan?

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[Marxism] US to train Syrian rebels

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Re: [Marxism] US to train Syrian rebels

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All I'm saying is curioser and curioser.

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 http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0KP0FO20150116?irpc=932



 The U.S. military is planning to deploy more than 400 troops to help
 train Syrian rebels to fight the ISLAMIC STATE, along with hundreds of U.S.
 support personnel, a Pentagon spokesman told Reuters on Thursday.

 Yes, the USA trains rebels to fight ISIS, while Assad drops barrel bombs
 on the rebels. This is all part of the American imperialist strategy to
 consolidate a stable Baathist state over the ashes of a failed armed
 struggle. The NY Times report on the peace negotiations conveyed this
 exactly:

  “The U.S. has no irons in the fire,” Mr. Hokayem said. “It basically
  wants to maintain the illusion of involvement, while maintaining the
  reality of disentanglement and distance from this whole nightmare.”



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Re: [Marxism] US to train Syrian rebels

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Actually, just curious what they are really up to?  I'm not convinced that
your perspective regarding the rebels is accurate at all.  I also am not
convinced that they are all pawns of the US or Saudi Arabia and Qatar. I do
agree with you, Louis and a multitude of others that Assad and his regime
is criminal. I am not convinced that the US is propping up that regime,
despite their history of doing so up until the seemingly failed Arab Spring.

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 Curious why the US has been saying for 4 years now that its going to start
 training Syrian rebels any day now?
 Curious why they keep lying?
 Curious why you keep spreading their propaganda as if it had some
 substance?

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 All I'm saying is curioser and curioser.

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  On 1/16/15 8:56 AM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:
 
 
  http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0KP0FO20150116?irpc=932
 
 
 
  The U.S. military is planning to deploy more than 400 troops to help
  train Syrian rebels to fight the ISLAMIC STATE, along with hundreds of
 U.S.
  support personnel, a Pentagon spokesman told Reuters on Thursday.
 
  Yes, the USA trains rebels to fight ISIS, while Assad drops barrel bombs
  on the rebels. This is all part of the American imperialist strategy to
  consolidate a stable Baathist state over the ashes of a failed armed
  struggle. The NY Times report on the peace negotiations conveyed this
  exactly:
 
   “The U.S. has no irons in the fire,” Mr. Hokayem said. “It basically
   wants to maintain the illusion of involvement, while maintaining the
   reality of disentanglement and distance from this whole nightmare.”
 
 
 
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[Marxism] Assassination Nation

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[Marxism] Brown Moses--always reliable?

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Re: [Marxism] Brown Moses--always reliable?

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 And Moses Brown collaborates with Human Rights Watch...so what?My
point was merely to question your assertion that he is always reliable
 as if we weren't supposed to challenge his claims.  Anyhow hasta luego.

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 https://notthemsmdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/
 brown-moses-new-media-same-as-the-old-media/


 Don't you realize that Phil Greaves is a case-hardened Stalinist who has
 described Russia, Syria, Iran and the Shia state in Iraq as the axis of
 resistance?

 Greaves: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao have all shown us through
 conscious scientific practice(7) – ie: dialectical materialism(8) – that
 although there are Absolute truths to be found, they are not static
 abstract eternal truths, but constantly changing and evolving within
 themselves relative to history, motion; the transient aspect of all things.

 full: https://notthemsmdotcom.wordpress.com/author/philbobaggins01/

 Right. Someone putting Stalin and conscious scientific practice in the
 same sentence disqualified him right off the bat from attacking Brown Moses.

 Now I can understand that you probably share his fondness for the first
 three, albeit with a  but surely you must understand that Maliki was no Che
 Guevara. Right? Got my fingers crossed here.

 Greaves: But the historical record shows that Maliki’s more recent
 attempts to reverse this destructive process, along with a multitude of
 other policies which upset US strategic ambitions, including his refusal to
 allow the permanent installation of US military bases; his governments
 close alliance with neighbouring independent Iran; their efforts to aid the
 Syrian government against the NATO-sponsored Wahhabi insurgency; and not
 least attempts to remove the vassals of the GCC from Iraqi politics–formed
 the real motives behind the US-Saudi-led campaign to incite Wahhabi
 fundamentalists against Maliki’s Shia dominated government.

 full: https://notthemsmdotcom.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/
 orientalism-and-the-isis-spectacle/

 What breath-taking stupidity.




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Re: [Marxism] Creating a Crisis--It's NATO's Way

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I don't mind political disagreements, but I don't like being called a liar.
Responding specifically to your charge regarding who was attacked first in
eastern Ukraine--I never made a claim one way or another.  Instead, I wrote
that the separatist protests were attacked by Kiev forces, which they
were.
 Also, your focus on one fact that may or may not be verifiable (especially
since it comes from that servant of Washington and Wall Street--the New
York Times) makes it easy for you to avoid the actual premise of my
piece---this is a conflict serving the imperial interests of Washington and
Moscow.  Your predeliction for confusing opposition to your opinions
regarding Ukraine and Syria with support for the Russian empire and its
clients is just plain incorrect.  As for propaganda, --nah...I'm just
putting forth a perspective based on an anti-imperialist view of the world
that considers the US the greatest threat to world peace.
I have no more love for Putin or Assad then you do.  I also can't pretend
that supporting the Kiev government or the current armed opposition in
Syria is different than supporting the goals of US imperialism.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote:

 On 2/16/15 9:02 AM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:


 http://stillhomeron.blogspot.com/2015/02/creating-crisis-
 its-natos-way.html


 Ron writes: It was only a matter of days before the separatist elements
 [in Ukraine] opposed to the new Kiev government held protests that were
 attacked.

 Ron, your article is filled with such assertions that are not backed up.
 In fact the statement above is complete horseshit. I am not going to take
 the trouble to demonstrate in any great detail why it is horseshit because
 I am too busy right now working on a video interview with Erwin Baur but
 would urge you in the future to try to refer your readers to newspaper
 articles that back up your claims.

 I will leave it like this. In Donetsk, the violence was initially directed
 at Maidan supporters and not the other way around. Here is one report,
 dated a month before the Russian leader of the Donetsk separatist movement
 announced the formation of a new people's republic:

 http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/witnesses-
 share-video-and-accounts-of-deadly-attack-on-anti-war-
 rally-in-eastern-ukraine-by-russian-separatists/

 In other words, you are writing lies in the service of the Kremlin's bid
 to create Novorussya, an ambition that has a sorry past going back to
 Catherine the Great's turning Ukraine into the Russian equivalent of Texas
 after the fashion of the Mexican-American War of 1848. You know, the war
 that Henry David Thoreau ended up in jail for his protest.

 Frankly, I don't care if you heart beats faster when you see Vladimir
 Putin riding around on horseback bare-chested. But at least take the
 trouble to put a tiny bit of documentation in your propaganda.


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like I said, Louisyou reinterpret any opinion that doesn't match yours
in these areas to be something it isn't.

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 On 2/16/15 10:03 AM, Ron Jacobs wrote:

 I don't mind political disagreements, but I don't like being called a
 liar. Responding specifically to your charge regarding who was attacked
 first in eastern Ukraine--I never made a claim one way or another.
 Instead, I wrote that the separatist protests were attacked by Kiev
 forces, which they were.


 I don't think you lie about everything. Generally when you write about
 Mumia or fracking or some such issue that falls outside the boundaries of
 the geopolitical chess game, you are honest. But when it comes to any
 conflict that pits some hapless victim of the axis of resistance, you
 write things that are untrue. I will say this. You are not a liar in the
 sense of doing it consciously. It is more a question of someone so cocooned
 in the Dissident Voice, RT.com, WSWS.org reality that you are incapable
 of seeing an alternative.

Also, your focus on one fact that may or may not be verifiable
 (especially since it comes from that servant of Washington and Wall
 Street--the New York Times) makes it easy for you to avoid the actual
 premise of my piece---this is a conflict serving the imperial interests
 of Washington and Moscow.  Your predeliction for confusing opposition to
 your opinions regarding Ukraine and Syria with support for the Russian
 empire and its clients is just plain incorrect.  As for propaganda,
 --nah...I'm just putting forth a perspective based on an
 anti-imperialist view of the world that considers the US the greatest
 threat to world peace.


 Well, I don't care if you are an anti-imperialist or anti-fluoride. Just
 don't be so intellectually lazy that you write a bunch of undocumented
 horseshit.

  I have no more love for Putin or Assad then you do.


 Yes, that's the same disclaimer that the Party of Socialism and Liberation
 use. It is just that you like them spend 10,000 words against those who
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[Marxism] A socialist case for Ukraine March 2015 (400) By Volodymyr Ishchenko

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[Marxism] The US Presidency—Who Does It Serve? An Exchange With the Authors of The Unsustainable Presidency

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[Marxism] On Palestine-Book Review

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[Marxism] Cambodia/Kent/Jackson

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[Marxism] Calling out .....

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Is this Clay and Louis' version of Joe McCarthy's list?  No comment
regarding Louis' review of his own writing...
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Actually, Louis.  I'm used to you and Clay doing your thing.  My skin is
plenty thick.  Given your often over-the-top responses to those who
disagree with your take on events makes me wonder about your epidermis,
though.

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 On 5/4/15 1:16 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:

 Is this Clay and Louis' version of Joe McCarthy's list?


 What in the world could you possibly be talking about? McCarthyism was a
 form of state terror in which Communists lost their jobs and occasionally
 their lives.

 As far as I can tell, there are exactly two people on the American left
 that blog in favor of the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad, me and Clay. Plus,
 Michael Karadjis in Australia. That's about it.

 As opposed to us, there is a steady diet of pro-Assad articles in
 Counterpunch, DissidentVoice and other leftist websites that are too
 numerous to enumerate.

 This mailing list is also one of the few places where you can see news
 items that run counter to the pro-Assad blogosphere. If you think that this
 amounts to McCarthyism, I really don't know what to say. Put it this way,
 Ron. If you can squeal about what Clay writes (or me), then you probably
 have a pretty thin skin. Given the hegemonic support on the left for the
 axis of resistance, you should be able to shrug off a tiny sliver of
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[Marxism] In the wake of Sanders' announcement

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I revised my piece on his presidential run..

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[Marxism] Fwd: HOT WEEKEND AND CHILLY SUMMIT

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-- Forwarded message --
From: wechsler_gross...@yahoo.de
Date: Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:37 PM
Subject: HOT WEEKEND AND CHILLY SUMMIT
To: Victor Grossman wechsler_gross...@yahoo.de



A HOT WEEKEND AND A CHILLY SUMMIT
Victor Grossman - Berlin Bulletin No. 91, June 5 2015
This could be a hot weekend in Germany, especially in southern Bavaria, and
not only because the thermometer is approaching 90 Fahrenheit. Will the
heat be coming from the weather gods alone? Will it reach Elmau, where top
leaders of seven top nations at the G7 Summit will discuss “the global
economy as well as… foreign, security and development policy”?
That doesn’t sound exciting. And since the big shots will be sorting it all
out in a five-star ”luxury spa, retreat and cultural hideaway” a thousand
meters high in the Alps, as far from the real world as possible, it could
remain quite cool. To guarantee this, one possibly caustic trouble-maker,
Putin, was shown a cold shoulder. Down-graded areas in controversial
latitudes and longitudes like China, India, all Africa and Latin America
were not even considered. If they wish to let them have G20 meetings - or
whatever - the seven seemed to think. “We know who really counts in this
world!”
But counting, like chickens before they hatch, is a dubious exercise. A big
crowd wants to intrude on their Alpine solitude – as loudly as possible.
Recalling the excited G8 Heiligendamm summit of 2007 at the Baltic Sea,
much closer to urban civilization and constantly bothered by angry
citizens, Angela Merkel has seen to it that 17,000 police now guard a wide
security zone around the Elmau “retreat” and all routes leading to it. They
have a close-knit video net, a fleet of helicopters and drones,
“confinement” containers and quick-sentencing, rapid-fire judges at the
ready. All hotel and pension rooms in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, the nearest
town,  were blocked well in advance and everything else done to frighten
local farmers from renting free camping space for tents, trailers, meetings
and facilities like the well-ordered tent colony in Heiligendamm. When one
courageous property owner offered the protest campers a large meadow the
agreement was first barred by the town because of possible “flood waters”.
Another court decision reversed this, however, and the colony has been set
up, though over fifteen miles from the summit palace.
The first rally on Thursday, almost a hundred miles away in Munich, the
nearest city of any size, surprised everyone with up to 40,000 determined
but non-violent demonstrators. They came from a wide range of groups like
the teachers’ union (GEW), the LINKE (Left) party, Oxfam, the Green Youth,
the Green Party of Bavaria, the anti-speculation organization attac and the
left-leaning Nature Friends. They sent many demands up to the lofty
mountainside: drop the “Austerity” policy so enduringly espoused by Angela
Merkel, move convincingly against climate warming and ecological disaster,
keep anti-biotic meat and gene-altered attacks on agriculture by firms like
Monsanto out of Europe, and above all, cancel plans for US-European (TTIP)
and Canadian-European trade agreements (CETA), companion pieces to Obama’s
US-Pacific treaty (TPP), which would endanger ecological efforts, labor
standards, cultural independence in films and books and hand key decisions
to special courts and big business who could over-rule any progressive
gains in the separate countries.
Since the demise of the USSR and its bloc twenty-five years ago the mighty
companies and the governments they so strongly influence have used
technological progress and global possibilities to push down standards of
living in the poorest countries of the south and, aided by the resulting
pressure, of working people in their richer countries as well, whose union
movements and political Left almost everywhere have been weakened or
de-clawed. Wage levels, job security, retirement age, women’s rights,
public schools and higher education have all been under pressure.
The current demonstrations are another sign that people are fighting back.
Rallies and marches are planned for each day, moving as close to Elmau as
permitted, maybe even somewhat closer. The “black bloc” groups who like to
burn cars or garbage cans and break windows have not been invited this time
but, unlike Putin, they could show up uninvited, and many non-violent
protesters are also in a defiant mood. As ever, the media predators will
hunt big bold scare headlines.
The G7 men and two women (hostess Angela Merkel and World Monetary Fund
head Christine Lagarde) will rely on the armed, uniformed, visored men in
surrounding woods and meadows to keep 

[Marxism] The Stuff No ONe Talks About

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[Marxism] Police Shootings of African-Americans: If It Can Happen in Olympia, It Can Happen Anywhere

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[Marxism] Das Bild and Syria

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It is one thing to quote the New York Times, it is quite another to quote
Das Bild or FoxNews.  Das Bild is one of the most reactionary, right wing,
pro-imperialist rags on the planet.  This has been the case since its
inceptions by the Springer family after the war.  Does this mean that Assad
is a good guy and his military commits none of the crimes it is accused of?
No, of course not.  Does this mean quoting essentially fascist news organs
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after Corbyn's speech

Billy Bragg sings the Red Flag.

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Re: [Marxism] regarding Russian air strikes

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this is just absurd, Clay.  For one thing, they were Marxist.  For another
thing, they weren't being supported by the OSS as soon as their use to
Washington was done and, for another thing, they were fighting the US
military and its puppet regime in Saigon, not trying to set one up.

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> Ron Jacobs on Ho Chi Minh's Viet Minh "
>
>> Why are we supposed to be bothered that OSS-trained mercenary "rebels"
>> were
>> attacked?  How are these OSS-trained mercenaries that much different from
>> the contras or the so-called mujaheddin?
>
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Re: [Marxism] regarding Russian air strikes

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i am not arguing about the intentions of the rebels Gopal wrote about in
his book. (his book on Afghanistan is good--i reviewed it also).  We should
be talking about the current situation, which is partially the result of
the US decision to not support the progressive rebels of Gopal's article,
but the socially reactionary ones.

Look, let's cut the baloney.
>
> The world is divided into two blocs of capitalist nations--one
> headquartered in Washington and the other in Moscow. If you are in a
> country that is part of the Moscow bloc, where the hell are you supposed to
> get weapons? From Venezuela? Cuba? What are the chances that someone in
> Homs could talk a Chavista colonel into shipping them some MANPAD's?
>
> It is only natural that you would turn to the USA or one of the states
> that are allied with it such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Qatar (even though
> they are also acting on their own Sunni sectarian motives). Did Ron expect
> them to rely totally on weapons they confiscated from Baathist munitions
> storehouses they overran?
>
> In 1914 M.N. Roy, the founder of the Mexican Communist Party and later the
> Communist Party of India, approached the German imperialists for arms.
> Later on, an Indian nationalist named Subhas Chandra Bose lined up support
> from Adolph Hitler against the British. Unlike Roy, Bose was not a
> socialist but his cause was just.
>
> Finally, there is every evidence that the Syrian rebels had the intention
> of building grass roots democracy every bit as legitimate as the Kurds in
> Rojave. It was absolutely disgusting that at the time it was moving in this
> direction, "anti-imperialists" had talked themselves into believing that
> they were no different than Jonah Savimbi or Adolfo Calero.
>
> The best article describing this process was written by Anand Gopal for
> Harpers in August 2013. I reviewed his excellent book on Afghanistan for CP
> a while back.
>
> I am pretty sure that his article is not behind a paywall (
> http://harpers.org/archive/2012/08/welcome-to-free-syria/) but here is
> the takeaway:
>
> Matar brought me to a mosque that sits next to one of the mass graves.
> Inside, there were heaps of clothes, boxes of Turkish biscuits, and crates
> of bottled water. An old bald man with a walrus mustache studied a ledger
> with intensity while a group of old men around him argued about how much
> charity they could demand from Taftanaz’s rich to rebuild the town. This
> was the public-affairs committee, one of the village’s revolutionary
> councils. The mustached man slammed his hands on the floor and shouted,
> “This is a revolution of the poor! The rich will have to accept that.” He
> turned to me and explained, “We’ve gone to every house in town and
> determined what they need”—he pointed at the ledger—“and compared it with
> what donations come in. Everything gets recorded and can be seen by the
> public.”
>
> All around Taftanaz, amid the destruction, rebel councils like this were
> meeting—twenty-seven in all, and each of them had elected a delegate to sit
> on the citywide council. They were a sign of a deeper transformation that
> the revolution had wrought in Syria: Bashar al-Assad once subdued small
> towns like these with an impressive apparatus of secret police, party
> hacks, and yes-men; now such control was impossible without an occupation.
> The Syrian army, however, lacked the numbers to control the hinterlands—it
> entered, fought, and moved on to the next target. There could be no return
> to the status quo, it seemed, even if the way forward was unclear.
>
> In the neighboring town of Binnish, I visited the farmers’ council, a body
> of about a thousand members that set grain prices and adjudicated land
> disputes. Its leader, an old man I’ll call Abdul Hakim, explained to me
> that before the revolution, farmers were forced to sell grain to the
> government at a price that barely covered the cost of production. Following
> the uprising, the farmers tried to sell directly to the town at almost
> double the former rates. But locals balked and complained to the citywide
> council, which then mandated a return to the old prices—which has the
> farmers disgruntled, but Hakim acknowledged that in this revolution, “we
> have to give to each as he needs.”
>
> It was a phrase I heard many times, even from landowners and merchants who
> might otherwise bristle at the revolution’s egalitarian rhetoric—they
> cannot ignore that many on the front lines come from society’s bottom
> rungs. At one point in March, the citywide council enforced price controls
> on rice and heating oil, undoing, locally, the most unpopular economic
> reforms 

[Marxism] Fwd: regarding Russian air strikes

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Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] regarding Russian air strikes
To: Louis Proyect 


You are attempting to make it seem that I am equating FSA with Assad's
military.  I am not.  At the same time, you seem to be pretending that the
"protection force" called the FSA is the same as it was before it received
millions of dollars and training from the CIA.  the FSA and its allies on
the ground and in DC, Langley, Riyadh, Ankara and elsewhere have one
goal--to get rid of Assad and replace him with a US-friendly regime.  While
the getting rid of Assad part is something I support, the latter part is
something I oppose.  I have a feeling the ultimate result if this war goes
on is either a much much larger conflict or an intensification of the
current bloody chaos.  I support negotiations without any conditions.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:

> On 10/1/15 11:44 AM, Ron Jacobs wrote:
>
>> There is no revolution in Syria--that's all, not in Assad's forces or in
>> the "rebel" forces.
>>
>
> Fine.
>
> But the FSA is not committing war crimes on a massive scale. It came into
> existence to protect civilian populations from being murdered and largely
> performs the same function today as well as fighting to extend its
> influence and control over Baathist-held territory.
>
> If you can't distinguish between lightly armed men trying to defend Sunni
> neighborhoods in Idlib and MIG's firing missiles into apartment buildings,
> you need help.
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we've been told by US media that it was only against ISof course, the
US press has its own agenda...

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ken Hiebert  wrote:

> Ron Jacobs said:
>
> Why are we supposed to be bothered that CIA-trained mercenary "rebels" were
> attacked?  How are these CIA-trained mercenaries that much different from
> the contras or the so-called mujaheddin?
>
>
> Ken Hiebert replies:
> I think you are conceding that Russian planes have attacked non-ISIS
> targets.
> This leads me to ask how Russia has presented their presence in Syria.
> Have they presented it as a fight against ISIS?  Or have they presented it
> as a fight against all opponents of the Syrian government?
>
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Re: [Marxism] SA sending ground troops?

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i'm not disagreeing Louis.  The war needs to end.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Louis Proyect  wrote:

> On 2/5/16 11:02 AM, Ron Jacobs wrote:
>
>> except Saudi troops will be part of the US axis of whatever the hell it
>> isnot your "axis of resistance"
>>
>>
> Okay, let me get this straight. Tons of bombs being dropped in Syria and
> Iraq with the USA's deployed on behalf of the anarchist, freedom-loving
> Kurds advancing on jihadists here and there while Russia's being deployed
> on behalf of Shiite militias. This is a difference without a distinction.
> When it is your hospital or bakery that is being blasted to hell, what
> difference does it make if the lettering on the bombs is from the Latin or
> Cyrillic alphabet?
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except Saudi troops will be part of the US axis of whatever the hell it
isnot your "axis of resistance"

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> wrote:

> On 2/5/16 10:52 AM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote:
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>> http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/general-saudi-arabia-set-deploy-troops-syria-160205042542486.html
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> Another member of the "axis of resistance". I also got word that the
> Venusians are sending a brigade or two armed with Kargonium-tipped
> ground-to-ground missiles. Xjrledmek, the king of Venus, explained that
> unless you destroy jihadism in Syria now, the universe is threatened.
>



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