[Marxism] on Greece debate

2015-07-11 Thread Gary MacLennan via Marxism
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Hans and Michael have put up two thoughtful pieces.  My heart is with
them.  I do so hope that Hans is correct, but my head is with Richard
Seymour.  he has emerged from twitterdom to post a very good piece. We
should bear in mind that Richard (like me) was a supporter, of what I at
least thought Syriza represented,  a break from the sterile sectarian
Leninist madness.  Richard's conclusion is very stark.  He writes

So it is important to be clear: if Syriza supports and implements this
deal, it is over.  It will not recover.  It may exist as a party, but as a
force of the radical left it will be all but redundant.  It may as well be
a centrist, austerian coalition.  A left that goes along with this will be
committing suicide.  And finally, don't put your faith in the idea that
maybe if Syriza hangs in there, does what it's told, eventually, after a
while, Podemos will come, maybe some other radical left formations will
come, and the balance of power will tilt.  Even if that *was* how the
European institutions work - and they have proven they aren't susceptible
to that kind of pressure - this outcome will seriously undercut the chances
for the European radical left.

On a personal level my Irishness is beginning to assert itself.  I am
thinking only a bunch of Keynesians could make the Stalinist KKE look
good.  I am also incubating a hearty dislike for Tsirpas the Traitor.  And
please, for god's sake, let no one trot out the crappy line that he can't
be a traitor for he never pretended to be anything other than what he is.
He went into the referendum pretending that it made a difference.

Let me now tackle, and I do not intend this in a flame like provocation,
the line that is emerging.  Green Left Weekly ( my subscription has
expired  if someone contact me I will renew it) has come out with the
slogan Greece needs our solidarity. Michael endorses this and on the
surface who can say nay?  Well, I do.  Greece here functions as
a metonym (part stands for whole).  My solidarity is with the people of
Greece, not the Greek capitalists, not with Pasok, not with To Potami, and
no longer with Syriza.

Finally, Stuart criticised my questioning of Syriza's   Tsirpas' tactics.
I respect his subsequent silence. But I would ask him to consider whether
he has an inclination to overly put his faith in princes.

comradely

Gary
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Re: [Marxism] on Greece debate

2015-07-11 Thread ioannis aposperites via Marxism

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On 11/07/2015 12:46 μμ, Anthony Hartin via Marxism wrote:
 If the Left platform doesnt have the weight to turn

around the party then its time to gather up as many of the far left
forces as possible and look outside

While the left platform as a whole is totally unable to do so, it is 
quite probable for some of its personalities minorities and in 
particular for DEA. In that case, as usually, there will be fewer 
leaving than they had entered, and this, on top of the 3 splits to the 
right they have already suffered inside SYRIZA. Not a positive balance 
after all and it is to be seen whether they can find the courage to 
search for what went wrong about. New splits may occur during this 
painful task and that is no good news for the greek revolutionary left


JA
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Re: [Marxism] on Greece debate

2015-07-11 Thread Anthony Hartin via Marxism

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 So it is important to be clear: if Syriza supports and
   implements this
 deal, it is over. It will not recover. It may exist as a party,
   but as a
 force of the radical left it will be all but redundant. It may as
   well be
 a centrist, austerian coalition. A left that goes along with this
   will be
 committing suicide. 

Though its painful to watch, what we are seeing is the reformation of a 
(reformist) party of the ruling class in which the far left is starting 
to look like a foreign object. That doesnt mean that it was wrong to 
enter a broad party, just that its time to recognize that the only point 
of entering a bourgeois parliament is as a manoeuvre to advance the 
class struggle. If the Left platform doesnt have the weight to turn 
around the party then its time to gather up as many of the far left 
forces as possible and look outside


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