Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Marx, Lincoln and Project 1619 | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2020-02-15 Thread Mark Lause via Marxism
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 Douglass actually acknowledged the nomination, thanked them for it, and
declared his support for the Republican ticket.

The backstory on this had to do with the efforts of the Woodhull wing of
the women's movement to keep "universal suffrage" on the agenda" after the
adoption of the `5th Amendment in 1870.  In a very real sense, the
persistent advocacy of woman suffrage represented the left wing of what had
been a rather broad civil rights movements in the wake of the war.  This
was not an unreasonable place for the IWA to want to position itself.
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Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Marx, Lincoln and Project 1619 | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2020-02-15 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 2/15/20 3:29 PM, Joseph Green via Marxism wrote:


Sorge and Marx aside, there are some serious issues concerning Woodhull's party.
According to Wikipedia,
"In 1872, Douglass became the first African American nominated for Vice 
President of the
United States, as Victoria Woodhull's running mate on the Equal Rights Party 
ticket. He
was nominated without his knowledge. Douglass neither campaigned for the ticket 
nor
acknowledged that he had been nominated." 


There's hardly any mention of Douglass in Messer-Kruse's book except 
that he was nominated. I ordered a copy of Barbara Goldsmith's highly 
regarded bio of Woodhull and will report back on what it says. Frankly, 
I wouldn't be surprised if what Wiki said is true.

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Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Marx, Lincoln and Project 1619 | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2020-02-15 Thread Joseph Green via Marxism
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On 14 Feb 2020 at 14:24, Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist wrote: 
>It did not seem to matter to Sorge or Marx that Woodhull´s running-mate was 
>none other 
than Frederick Douglass. His willingness to join her had a lot to do with the 
respect that 
her section in N.Y. had earned. 
> 
Sorge and Marx aside, there are some serious issues concerning Woodhull's 
party. 
According to Wikipedia, 
"In 1872, Douglass became the first African American nominated for Vice 
President of the 
United States, as Victoria Woodhull's running mate on the Equal Rights Party 
ticket. He 
was nominated without his knowledge. Douglass neither campaigned for the ticket 
nor 
acknowledged that he had been nominated." It also says that, however, "he would 
serve as 
a presidential elector in the United States Electoral College for the State of 
New York". 
I suspect Wikipedia is right about this, because if Frederick Douglass had 
campaigned 
against the Republican Party in 1872, there would probably be a number of 
notable 
speeches by him on this subject, including answers to the objections of a 
number of other 
African American leaders of the time. And there's a serious issue about whether 
it shows 
respect for a movement to claim one of the most prominent activists of that 
movement as 
one of one's leaders without that activist's permission. And it's not as if he 
had been 
unavailable for consultation. 
Meanwhile the party may have had as many names, if not more, than years of 
active 
existence. I don't think it ever ran another presidential ticket. And Wikipedia 
claims it was 
called such things as the Equal Rights Party, the People's Party (but it was 
*not* the 
famous later People's Party), the Cosmo-Political Party, and the National 
Radical 
Reformers. But maybe someone can fill us in as to what happened during its 1872 
campaign. 

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