Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The Specter of a Soviet-Style Crisis: Evidencesof Fette...

2005-09-15 Thread Victor
CB, I'd also like to read how you justify this theory. Victor - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:06 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The Specter of a Soviet-Style Crisis: Evidencesof Fette... The trend in U.S. property relations is

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Victor
WL, I've written my comments under the appropriate paragraphs below. Peace and the strength to preserve it, Victor - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:44 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering 1. No capitalist can afford to fetter

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic

2005-09-15 Thread Ralph Dumain
I am a little puzzled here. See below: At 12:11 PM 9/16/2005 +1000, Ian Hunt wrote: Dear Ralph, Now I see your point - it was not clear before. (BTW "In Contradiction" is earlier - the science and society article is based on it but it does spell out more completely his argument). I agree with y

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering -correction

2005-09-15 Thread Victor
You are assuming of course that we know how or what kinds of productive forces WILL prevail in communist society. If you take your model of the communist mode of production from the late and mostly unlamented People's Democratic Republics and Soviets as well as from the various more successful

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic

2005-09-15 Thread Ian Hunt
Dear Ralph, Now I see your point - it was not clear before. (BTW "In Contradiction" is earlier - the science and society article is based on it but it does spell out more completely his argument). I agree with you that Graham Priest's interest is primarily with logic and ways in which we r

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The Specter of a Soviet-Style Crisis: Evidences of Fette...

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
>>The trend in U.S. property relations is to move the factories further and further from the locus of the owners, as a byproduct of running the plants away from the U.S. workers. Effectively, this is fettering the development of the material productive forces _in_ the U.S. national territory.<<

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
1. No capitalist can afford to fetter the development of the forces of production without going down. Marx made the point that in order just to maintain a stable rate of profit capitalist enterprises must at very least conform to the general state of development of the means of production and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering -correction

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
>>Without question the drive to realize a profit forces the revolutionizing of production and mitigate against the overall development of the productive forces, in relationship to the previous mode of production, rather than say, communist society.<< Correction Without question the drive to

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
>>1. No capitalist can afford to fetter the development of the forces of production without going down. Marx made the point that in order just to maintain a stable rate of profit capitalist enterprises must at very least conform to the general state of development of the means of production an

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
CB: How you gonna say with a straight face that the Industrial Revolution was the Industrial Social Revolution, or that Marx treated it as a social revolution ? Comment I am saying with a stright face that Karl Marx and Frederick Engels treated the Industrial Revolution as a Social Revolution .

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/15/2005 1:57:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB: How you gonna say with a straight face that the Industrial Revolution was the Industrial Social Revolution, or that Marx treated it as a social revolution ? :>) Comment Obviously you are joking. The indu

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Victor
WL: I reiterate: 1. No capitalist can afford to fetter the development of the forces of production without going down. Marx made the point that in order just to maintain a stable rate of profit capitalist enterprises must at very least conform to the general state of development of the means

[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13

2005-09-15 Thread A. Mani
Re : Re: Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic (Ian Hunt) > From: Ian Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic > Dear Ralph, > I wonder what the purpose of your review is? We could surely do > without the abuse (Priest and Sayers are 'philisti

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic

2005-09-15 Thread Ralph Dumain
In Memoriam: Lisa Rogers 25 August 1961 - 15 September 1996 My review is part of a much larger project, which has to do with te relation of logic and reality, and beyond that, the fragmentation of knowledge under conditions of alienation. That would be the "marxist" angle that iunterests me,

[Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Charles Brown
An epoch of social revolution was in fact indisputably completing itself world wide and no one disputes that this was the Industrial Social Revolution of which Marx wrote and called for the communists and proletarians to place themselves at the head of the process. CB: How you gonna say wi

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Waistline2
Dialectics! V: >>The principle of self-regulation of production that is basic to the capitalist mode of production militates against the fettering of the development of productive forces. The limitations of the expanding absolute surplus value (lengthening the work day and reducing wages) com

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Specter of a Soviet-Style Crisis: Evidences of Fettering of the Productive Forces

2005-09-15 Thread Charles Brown
Emmanuel Todd's comments excerpted here might be said to characterize U.S. domestic industrial decline as property relations fettering development of the material productive forces. The Katrina phenomenon might be a microcosm of the larger U.S. system. The trend in U.S. property relations is to mo

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fettering

2005-09-15 Thread Victor
CB and WB Dialectics! The principle of self-regulation of production that is basic to the capitalist mode of production militates against the fettering of the development of productive forces. The limitations of the expanding absolute surplus value (lengthening the work day and reducing wages

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Graham Priest: dialectic & dialetheic

2005-09-15 Thread Ian Hunt
Dear Ralph, I wonder what the purpose of your review is? We could surely do without the abuse (Priest and Sayers are 'philistines' etc). A little more argument and less assertion would go a long way, as would a bit better knowledge of Tarski's semantic theory of truth: the Tarski bit should re