CeJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/24/2008 9:27 PM
CB: That's interesting. Could you give some examples of words imitating
non-sounds ?
In English, the /g/ of gooey, gunky, greasy, gross, goop, glob, glop
etc. seems to indicate that the /g/ sound is used to represent
something in common, so we could
Actually Japanese is marked by 'voiceless' vowels. Some languages
might have phonological /p/s that are voiced, even though you, as a
non-speaker of that language, would still perceive some sort of [p].
My point was that the distinction between the words 'pig' and 'big' in
English is
CeJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/24/2008 9:34 PM
CB:CB: So most linguists think the phoneme is a valid concept ?
Most work in linguistics has become so specific and narrow that if a
linguist in lexical semantics says that the phoneme is a valid
concept, it is most likely because he or she hasn't read
CeJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/24/2008 10:00 PM
I clearly got the effect--even on a tiny sub-note with a tinny
speaker--watching a recording of that very same Japanese TV program.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fke7GWcT5kofeature=related
The illusion was I perceived da da da da
When I closed my
CB: This paragraph in the article you give us below, says that Chomsky and
Halle do use phoneme.
The Russian linguist Jan Baudoin de Courtenay (1845-1925) was one of
the first to anticipate the modern notion of phoneme, developed in the
structuralist movement initiated in 1916 with the
CB: My thought is that there was an arbitrary connecting between g and the
thing,
Certainly not iconic, but not entirely arbitrary, but rather
'motivated' by human psychology (hence the use of a velar for much of
the same purpose across cultures and languages).
CB: I don't have a feeling that
CB:I heard ah, ah, ah , no consonant
But did you hear 'ba' when you closed your eyes? If not, you might
have a hearing problem or bad audio on your computer. I think hearing
'ah' (instead of da) is another observed percept for the McGurk effect
because the visuals of saying 'ga' and 'ah' are not
CB: Categorical perception is still fundamental to how language works,
and how symbolling and culture works. In what sense is categorical
perception a house of cards ? Categorical thinking is fundamental to
humans, and it is fundamentally social/communicative/communal, so that
it must use
