Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-14 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/13/2009 1:51:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cb31...@gmail.com writes: CB: A point upon which sectarians/ultra-lefts, whether Stalinist or Trotskyist, can agree. Comment Name calling is fine. What the proletarian fighters coming to the fore need is understanding and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-13 Thread Waistline2
II. How is the new logic against the poor - destitute proletarians, being expressed? The health Care debates are instructive. Over and over older workers rallying against a single payer system - on Medicare, are asked why they oppose single payer. I do not want government control over

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-13 Thread Shane Mage
On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:59 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: Attacking the ultra right is nothing more than a clever way of demanding unconditional support of the Obama administration Exactly. Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an

[Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-13 Thread c b
Shane Mage Waistline2 at aol.com wrote: Attacking the ultra right is nothing more than a clever way of demanding unconditional support of the Obama administration Exactly. ^ CB: A point upon which

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-13 Thread Ralph Dumain
Well, at a very quick reading, I got a general idea of the correlation of forces delineated by Waistline, though I will have to study this again. But I don't understand how attacking the right = unconditional support for Obama. At 01:51 PM 8/13/2009, c b wrote: Shane Mage

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Reaction, fascism, fighting the ultra right and Health 2.

2009-08-13 Thread Waistline2
Attacking the ultra right is nothing more than a clever way of demanding unconditional support of the Obama administration Exactly. ^ CB: A point upon which sectarians/ultra-lefts, whether Stalinist or Trotskyist, can agree. Comment 1). It was in fact the Clinton Administration