Re: [MLL] Details of class . . . specifics of class logic and motion

2007-10-03 Thread frankenstein580
themselves Marxist Leninist that really count in the long run, since parties can come and go it is the dictatorship of the class, i.e. of the proletariat, that's supreme. And that's what I think of you. [By the way, I'm a he and not a she] Respectfully, frankenstein580 --- Mark Scott

Re: [MLL] Details of class . . . specifics of class logic and motion

2007-10-03 Thread frankenstein580
parties can come and go it is the dictatorship of the class, i.e. of the proletariat, that's supreme. And that's what I think of you. Sincerely, Frankenstein580 --- Mark Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankenstein, You are correct in that I don't know you. I know

Re: [MLL] IS MARX'S REVOLUTIONARY CLASS STILL THE WORKING PROLETARIAT?

2007-10-04 Thread frankenstein580
Internet discussions on Marxist List tend to more resemble theoretical journals, rather than leaflets and pamphlets tailored to a living audience of workers seeking some kind of action. Communists fight wherever they are at, be it a wealthy or poor community.

Re: [MLL] IS MARX'S REVOLUTIONARY CLASS STILL THE WORKING PROLETARIAT?

2007-10-06 Thread frankenstein580
The most destitute of the proletarian masses work and work basically everyday in the imperial centers. COMMENT Here is the subject of the discourse. Destitute is defined as: without the basic necessities of life : the charity cares for destitute children. • [ predic. ] ( destitute of) not

Re: [MLL] IS MARX'S REVOLUTIONARY CLASS STILL THE WORKING PROLETARIAT?

2007-10-08 Thread frankenstein580
Marxism Leninism is the ideology of the Proletariat, and you have quoted the definition for us. I see this list as a means of sharing our ideas and experience to better our approach to organizing and leading the proletariat in our day to day struggle. Everyone appreciates the

Re: [MLL] Dogmatism vs. Dielectics

2007-10-08 Thread frankenstein580
Thank you. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all these, some of the defenders of Stalin of that period, and now, pursued political arguments and totally overlooked to the economic policies of the New Line. These so called defenders of Stalin followed the arguments of Mao

Re: [MLL] Dogmatism vs. Dialectics

2007-10-09 Thread frankenstein580
I would declare that for there to be a bourgeois class in power there would have to be private ownership, and the buying and selling of labor power, at the very least. Referring back to the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin, we all know that there was some capitalism allowed; China resorted

Re: [MLL] Restoration of Capitalism in the USSR

2007-10-13 Thread frankenstein580
On February 7, 1990 the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union agreed to give up its monopoly of power. Over the next several weeks, the 15 constituent republics of the USSR held their first competitive elections. Reformers and ethnic nationalists won many of the seats. By

Re: [MLL] The term stalinism

2007-10-14 Thread frankenstein580
HERE! HERE! YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE! --- Åöçìåñßäá Áíáóýíôáîç [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In answer to goran vlajkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the use of the term Stalinism by our organisation we send you the the following position. It is absolutely correct and adoptable to use

Re: [MLL] On Rolf's comments on the Winter War

2007-10-15 Thread frankenstein580
Anyone will finally decide their way, but I'll put my two cents here if I may. I don't understand the disagreement on the question of Poland since she rejected Soviet aid; and when Hitler finally attacked, neither England nor France nor anyone else assisted Poland. The peace hypocrites

Re: [MLL] On Rolf's comments on the Winter War

2007-10-15 Thread frankenstein580
. Comradely f580 --- Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also these arguments of yours, frankenstein580, in my opinion don't change that fact, concerning this question of history, that the pact policy in 1939-41 including the Winter War went against the interests of the vast

Re: [MLL] Communist Control Act of 1954 V - urban rebellions

2007-10-22 Thread frankenstein580
Without question the semi-criminal strata is always present and this is not a lumpen proletariat as such, but a mass of workers “ working off the books,“ or what in Soviet society was officially called “the workers in the illegal economy“ and their managers. MY COMMENT Would comrade

Re: [MLL] Communist Control Act of 1954 V - urban rebellions/rewrite A

2007-10-24 Thread frankenstein580
I think we both understand each other. An action slogan is not the meaning of communist strategy which is why Stalin works were referenced. An action slogan is a tactical thing by definition. MY COMMENT: Correct, thank you. And so tactics are subordinate to stategy and TURNING EVERY

[MLL] Fascism will be Inevitable if Aggression is Called Resurgence

2007-10-26 Thread frankenstein580
Here is an old article that I found in the internet which mesmerized me for its duration. I don't believe that its author is a communist but its content is revealing nevertheless. Enjoy comrades! http://arunshourie.voiceofdharma.com/print/19970912.htm

Re: [MLL] Details of class... PT 3

2007-10-26 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE WRITES: You are welcome to your views. I reject a socialist vision of America and advocate communism, which means one is not require to labor as the basis for receiving socially necessary means of life. The low level and scattered character of the productive forces in Russia made

Re: [MLL] Fascism will be Inevitable if Aggression is Called Resurgence

2007-10-27 Thread frankenstein580
Bharatiya Janata Party. A careful reading of the link shows that it is an attack on the social forces for emancipation in India. This may not be clear to a non-Indian reader. editor_revdem - Original Message - From: frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxist-leninist-list

[MLL] It is tantamount to revisionism and treachery for communists not to base themselves in the workplaces.

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
To call itself the Party of the proletariat Marxist Leninist would be rooted within the class first. In the absence of such a Party, it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to construct one. In the event that various parties coexist, then it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to unite them. That is in

[MLL] It is tantamount to revisionism and treachery for communists not to base themselves in the workplaces.

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
To call itself the Party of the proletariat Marxist Leninist would be rooted within the class first. In the absence of such a Party, it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to construct one. In the event that various parties coexist, then it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to unite them. That is in

[MLL] It is tantamount to revisionism and treachery for communists not to base themselves in the workplaces.

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
To call itself the Party of the proletariat Marxist Leninist would be rooted within the class first. In the absence of such a Party, it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to construct one. In the event that various parties coexist, then it is the duty of Marxist Leninist to unite them. That is in

Re: [MLL] Details of class.PT 2 - Bill Cosby and the poverty stricken/destitute

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
If comrade Waistline believes that his doctrine of communism should replace Marxism then he has already said so. He has already replaced the working class, to which he aflicts grave contempt after they paid his way to a rosy middle class life, with that of the lumpen proletariat as the vanguard

Re: [MLL] Details of class.PT 2 - Bill Cosby and the poverty stricken/destitute

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
But Marxism does exist and it was not invented by the proletariat, nor could it be. MY COMMENTS: Humbug! Communism is also a spontaneous and subjective thing, as it is inevitble, and in its absence we would INVENT IT! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marxism, of course is a

Re: [MLL] Details of class.PT 2 - Bill Cosby and the poverty stricken/destitute

2007-10-28 Thread frankenstein580
But Marxism does exist and it was not invented by the proletariat, nor could it be. MY COMMENTS: Humbug! Communism is also a spontaneous and subjective thing, as it is inevitble, and in its absence we would INVENT IT! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marxism, of course is a

[MLL] Ever Onward Revolutionary Communists of the U.S.A.

2007-10-29 Thread frankenstein580
Let it be said, that in the U.S.A exists an admirable contingent of revolutionary communist parties, organizations, groups, and individuals capable of leading the proletariat in the struggles against Imperialist wars, chauvinism, fascism,etc. at the particular stage that we're in, and working

[MLL] The Bolivarian Revolution and the UNT

2007-10-29 Thread frankenstein580
Leninist understand that Trade Unions have prov-en to function as the transmission belts between the state [Party included] and the people. Workers organized into unions became PART of the administration of society in the Soviet Union, Albania, China, Korea, Cuba, and now Venezuela. Unions

Re: [MLL] Details of class.PT 2 - Bill Cosby and the poverty stricken/destitute

2007-10-29 Thread frankenstein580
The Poverty of Philosophy is the first thought that came to my mind. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If comrade Waistline believes that his doctrine of communism should replace Marxism then he has already said so. He has already replaced the working class, to which he aflicts grave

Re: [MLL] UAw capitualates: an oldie but goodie article

2007-10-30 Thread frankenstein580
http://futureoftheunion.com/?page_id=4110 Here is an interesting article depicting the betrayals by the union bureacracy as well as symptoms of capitalist collapse. Mr. Onasch is a prestigioius trade unionist leader of the UAW, ATU, and elected representative of a Labor Party council. Mr.

[MLL] Imperialism is the Abomination to the World

2007-10-30 Thread frankenstein580
Imperialism is the abomination to the world. It is the manisfestation of destructive barbarity, the epitome of wretched expoitation and butchery world wide. May the multitude led by the international proletariat exterminate it. Nothing could compare to the sweat shops of China, India,

[MLL] The Industrial revolutions, Underdevelopement, and the Disspossessed.

2007-11-06 Thread frankenstein580
90 years have passed since the Great October Socialist Revolution and we are now forced to answer the question: how much has really changed in the global productive capability since the electronics revolution? Computers and robots are replacing humanity, no doubt, that is their purpose to

Re: [MLL] CP Crimea Video

2007-11-06 Thread frankenstein580
We thank you for such an inspiring video. I only regret not being able to understand the language, but the images speak for itself. Comradely, f580 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A racy video from the CP Crimea comparing the Soviet past with the present:

[MLL] REPORT ON THE LABOR CONFERENCE TO STOP THE WAR

2007-11-07 Thread frankenstein580
October 20th, 2007 Report on the Labor Conference to Stop the War On October 20 more than 150 trade unionists from across the U.S. and internationally participated in the first ever antiwar conference called for the purpose of spurring workers actions to stop the war. Though many workers were

Re: [MLL] The Industrial revolutions, Underdevelopement, and Disspossessed. (4)

2007-11-10 Thread frankenstein580
But this working class was new not in its relations to production, since it still remained the exploited class, WAISTLINE'S COMMENT: The working class is never new in relationship to it remaining an exploited class, up to the October revolution and the building of socialism. Even

Re: [MLL] Moscow 90th Anniversary Celebrations of the October Revolution

2007-11-10 Thread frankenstein580
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The manifestations in Moscow on the 90th Anniversary of the October Revolution See the video prepared by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation at http://www.pceml.info/ Click on the blank screen a little way down. -- My life has

Re: [MLL] The Industrial revolutions, Underdevelopement, and Disspossessed. (4)

2007-11-10 Thread frankenstein580
To the comrades of the MLL. The theoretical polemic that occupies some of us over this particular thread, is mostly on the question of a 'NEW CLASS' of proletarians as expounded by those who would call themselves communist first and then Marxists second, or third. Marxists, of course, are

Re: [MLL] The Industrial revolutions, Underdevelopement, and Disspossessed. (4)

2007-11-11 Thread frankenstein580
Again I shall underline the arguments: WAISTLINE SAYS: One does not have to own a factory to be a capitalist or regarded as a capitalist according to Marx writings in Capital. One does not have to work to be treated as or regarded as proletarian' MY COMMENTS: Again, this is the

[MLL] CPV leads workers and unions into workers councils.

2007-11-13 Thread frankenstein580
http://www.pww.org/article/articleprint/10497/ Found at: http://www.pww.org/article/articleprint/10497/ Venezuelan Communists push workers councils Search WWW Search pww.org Author: W. T. Whitney Jr. People's Weekly World Newspaper, 02/01/07 14:12 The Communist Party of

Re: [MLL] The Industrial revolutions, Underdevelopement, and Disspossessed. (4)

2007-11-14 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE CONCLUDES: Comrade F 580 . . . perhaps you need to read a broader variety of literature about world events and history F580 CONCLUDES: The problem here is not really that we should read more about world events, indisputably we must all broaden our world outlook. Even non

[MLL] ONLY MARXIST LENINISTS CAN REAFFIRM COMMUNISM

2007-11-20 Thread frankenstein580
ONLY MARXIST LENINISTS CAN REAFFIRM COMMUNISM There is a well-known saying that if geometrical axioms affected human interests attempts would certainly be made to refute them. Theories of natural history which conflicted with the old prejudices of theology provoked, and still provoke, the most

[MLL] BEHOLD THE NEW COMMUNIST POLITICS!

2007-11-20 Thread frankenstein580
REAFFIRM MARXIST LENINISTS! PAY ATTENTION AND STUDY! BEHOLD THE NEW COMMUNIST POLITICS! Economic Globalization: Capitalism In The Age Of Electronics Economic Globalization: Capitalism In The Age Of Electronics Noam Chomsky Every exploiting ruling class has had its global dimension and

[MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE

2007-11-20 Thread frankenstein580
REVOLUTIONARY MARXIST LENINIST FROM LATIN AMERICA; AND LE DUAN A DISTINGUISHED VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST ON THE VANGUARD ROLE OF THE WORKING CLASS Problems of the Revolution in Latin America http://www.tdkp.org/US/US-10/la_seminar_10.htm Final statement of the 6th international seminar:

Re: [MLL] Nandigram: Judgement of Kolkata High Court on March 14 Police Atrocities

2007-11-20 Thread frankenstein580
Dear Comrade editors of revdem, I wish to express my condolences to the 14 innocent people killed and the many injured by the police at Nandigram and also my ardent support to those women who were raped; and may justice be served on the government criminals responsible. I've been following the

Re: [MLL] MAOISTS and STALINISTS the world is big enough for all of us.

2007-11-24 Thread frankenstein580
Spoken like a true conciliator by a man who can't even get along with his own class. Check out the world fool. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to question the purpose of this list. Let me say this much. I respect Mao and his contributions to revolutionary

Re: [MLL] MAOISTS and STALINISTS the world is big enough for all of us.

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE COMMENTS: I will try checking out the world. Many people play the fool some times in life. MY COMMENT: You do that. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spoken like a true conciliator by a man who can't even get along with his own class. Check out the world fool.

Re: [MLL] Race and Beauty and a power tool

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
Like you say, people determine what is beauty and what is ugly. And each class or race or nationality has their own historical concept. It is not merely forced upon us by the class in power or relations. Beauty is subjective. We all understand that. Except, of course, ALL of you. People

[MLL] RE POST: AN IMPORTANT ARTICLE FROM VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST LE DUAN

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
A REPOST: REVOLUTIONARY MARXIST LENINIST FROM LATIN AMERICA; AND LE DUAN A DISTINGUISHED VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST ON THE VANGUARD ROLE OF THE WORKING CLASS Problems of the Revolution in Latin America http://www.tdkp.org/US/US-10/la_seminar_10.htm Final statement of the 6th international

Re: [MLL] I'D RATHER SIT IDLE WHILE YOU DO THE DISHES

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
I'LL TELL YOU THIS MUCH REVISIONIST, I KNOW WHO YOU SPEAK FOR. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marx and Engels proclaim the working class as that only truly revolutionary class facing CAPITAL. Capitalism still exits and it is our duty to overthrow it.That hasn't changed.

Re: [MLL] I'D RATHER SIT IDLE WHILE YOU DO THE DISHES

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
HERE IS THE MAN THING ABOUT IT. YOU STAND IN THE WAY OF THE MIGHTY WORKING CLASS WHOM YOU ARE CONTEMPTUOUS OF AND WE'LL RUN YOU OVER. {By the way, after my wife and 3 year old daughter died, I took my two surviving sons and eventually became homeless and lived in a shelter. I picked myself

Re: [MLL] I'D RATHER SIT IDLE WHILE YOU DO THE DISHES

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE PROBES: You have never given anyone, at any rate me, the opportunity to know of whom you speak of in American society, other than the 7.4 percent of the workers in trade unions. The more we discuss the clearer the issue becomes. Who are you speaking of as advocate of the

Re: [MLL] Social Revolution and Idleness....

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
Welcome back Scotty!, Your note has been a breath of fresh air. f580 --- Mark Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comrade f580, I must first apologize because I have not received the posts of Melvins you are responding to therefore I cannot respond except on assumptions and I

Re: [MLL] GLAC (Congo) sees through one part of the US virusterror double scam, is deceived by the other

2007-11-25 Thread frankenstein580
are surviving AIDS with proper treatment! Take care. f580 --- Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f580, you wrote, to the list MLL, (also quoting from my message): - Original Message - From: frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For the reaffirmation of Marxism-Leninism

Re: [MLL] Viruses etc

2007-11-26 Thread frankenstein580
The reason that AIDS can be any of 25 diseases is because HIV attacks the immune system. It attaches itself to the T4 white blood cell and destroys it. Now doctors would have to treat any of the consequential 25 illnesses caused by the deficiency. In the course of life and nature you have

[MLL] AIDS DENIALISTS WHO HAVE DIED

2007-11-26 Thread frankenstein580
I HOPE THIS LINK CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE MATTER AIDS Denialists Who Have Died A partial list of HIV-positive HIV/AIDS denialists who have died from conditions, and with symptoms, characteristic of AIDS None of the scientists and journalists who are the most prominent promoters of HIV

Re: [MLL] Viruses etc

2007-11-26 Thread frankenstein580
-subservient medical doctors. On the demonstrable facts, see my reply to George. Rolf - Original Message - From: frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For the reaffirmation of Marxism-Leninism marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:42 PM

[MLL] WORLD AIDS DAY.... THE PEOPLE VS. THE QUACKS

2007-12-01 Thread frankenstein580
WORLD AIDS DAY. The people of the world vs. the quacks. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5502C378-0029-49C5-81F9-EEBF87ADD248.htm Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.

Re: [MLL] Histories of the Russian Revolution Query

2007-12-01 Thread frankenstein580
The best overall history of Russian Revolution: THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE USSR [BOLSHEVIK] They made the revolution they wrote the history. Then perhaps Carr. --- Calvin Broadbent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please can comrades say what they think is the best

[MLL] AIDS DENIALISTS TRY THIS EXPERIMENT

2007-12-01 Thread frankenstein580
I challenge AIDS denialists to exchange bodily fluids with anyone who has been diagnosed with AIDS. When you finally become infected I'll bet that you'll soon change your tune. Some denialists who have dared take this challenge are now dead. What makes some people believe that only U.S.

Re: [MLL] Histories of the Russian Revolution Query

2007-12-01 Thread frankenstein580
Comrade Mark and MF, I agree. Globalization is not a negation of Imperialism in the sense that it replaces it. Globalization is the inescapable expansion of world relations brought about coincidentally by Imperialism and facilitated by the electronics revolution. It is not globalization that

Re: [MLL] Histories of the Russian Revolution Query AIDS denialists

2007-12-02 Thread frankenstein580
On AIDS denialists, I still believe that their position is very wrong, though I admit not to having studied the question sufficiently. I am sympathetic to the critique of frankenstein but I am opposed to what is essentially his call to the denialists to commit suicide by exchanging

Re: [MLL] AIDS DENIALISTS TRY THIS EXPERIMENT - the Cure

2007-12-02 Thread frankenstein580
I must admit that while I didn't read your bull shit I was hoping that you'd try the experiment. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I challenge AIDS denialists to exchange bodily fluids with anyone who has been diagnosed with AIDS. When you finally become infected I'll bet that

Re: [MLL] Marxist-Leninist-List Digest, Vol 51, Issue 3

2007-12-04 Thread frankenstein580
Hi Calvin. BOO! --- Calvin Broadbent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is outrageous. I don't much go for Comrade Melvin's new class schtick. But this is simply beyond the pale. Is Franky a spy? Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:57:12 -0800 (PST) From: frankenstein580

Re: [MLL] Cada loco con su tema- Communism Now!

2007-12-08 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE QUOTES MARX! “In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime

Re: [MLL] Cada loco con su tema - communist morality

2007-12-08 Thread frankenstein580
I'll tell you something coward. You change your story [politics] more than you change panties. Like a real opportunist. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example: Why would anyone omit the Socialist stage as a transition to communism. Is there any slight indication in the

Re: [MLL] Cada loco con su tema - communist morality

2007-12-08 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE ETHICS: Are you behaving like the old slave master in your attitude concerning the poverty stricken and destitute, insisting that their plight is that of their own making? NO HOLDS BARRED! MY RESPONSE: CAPITALISM DOES WHAT CAPITALISM IS, The proletariat has no power over

[MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-08 Thread frankenstein580
THE WORKING CLASS TAKES THE LEAD IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF COMMUNISM Socialism is a reality that must be confronted. Industries exist in socialist korea and socialist Cuba. The working class of the United States is currently NOT the vanguard to the world communist revolution. In fact,

Re: [MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-08 Thread frankenstein580
in www.allianceml.com/china/koreaNS.htm, that the DPRK is led by revisionists and not economically socialist. It would be good if I could agree that the DPRK is socialist, but I need more information. Michael Pollock --- frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE WORKING CLASS TAKES

Re: [MLL] Cada loco con su tema- Communism Now! - A plausible Vision

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE PROPOSES: What compelling reason is there for the state - as a state power, to own any aspect of the means of production fundamental for reproduction of socially necessary means of life MY COMMENTS: During the first stage of communism we would have wrested power from the

Re: [MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
and Stalin. Stalin was loved by the masses not only in SU but world over not because he made N bombs but he showed way how a backward country could achieve material progress not like North Korea? RG frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably know as much of north

Re: [MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
and Stalin. Stalin was loved by the masses not only in SU but world over not because he made N bombs but he showed way how a backward country could achieve material progress not like North Korea? RG frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably know as much of north

Re: [MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
and Stalin. Stalin was loved by the masses not only in SU but world over not because he made N bombs but he showed way how a backward country could achieve material progress not like North Korea? RG frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably know as much

Re: [MLL] Conduct on the list

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
Comrade Mark, I thank you comrade for advocating on my behalf. I hope that our companionship be principled and long lasting. Fraternally, f580 --- Mark Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comrade George, You have my full agreement about this matter of disciplined conduct as

Re: [MLL] Conduct on the list

2007-12-10 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE ASSERTS: I assert and will defend the proposition that the brutality and slaughter that was New World Conquest has its genesis in a history of human behavior that flows from man inherited metabolic breach and not the changes in the form of wealth, productive forces and abstract

Re: [MLL] Conduct on the list

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: You misunderstood the issue. The metabolic breach is the genesis of property . . . private property. MY RESPONSE: Excuse me then. WAISTLINE: There was no hunter gatherer period of human history as such. . Rather there was a gatherer-hunter period of history MY

Re: [MLL] Communism Now! - plausible Vision/dialectic of history Reread Lenin State Rev

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
Gibberish!Can anybody decipher this s#$%. Oops! The problem is not so much that WAISTLINE revises Marxism Leninism but more so that he then makes a mockery of it. Or is it that I understand NOTHING of Marxism nowadays? Does anyone? Pardon me for dragging the MLL into this. The

Re: [MLL] Conduct on the list

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: The genesis of private property cannot be explained on the basis of productive forces.' MY RESPONSE: Yes. What can not be explained is the genesis of the metabolic breach. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WAISTLINE: There was no hunter gatherer period of human

Re: [MLL] Reread Lenin...Lenin in Lenin's words

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
TO WAISTLINE: Most of us Marxist understand what Marx and Lenin meant, that's why we are what we are, thank you. Your concoctions are incoherent, perhaps you should drink some coffee. But blab on, it's your right. I'll engage with WAISTLINE on this though.. social and technical aspects

Re: [MLL] THE WORKING CLASS PLAYS THE VANGUARD ROLE IN NORTH KOREA

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
. This is my humble opinion for now. Remember that I speak for myself and am an ordinary worker with some knowledge and an attitude. Fraternally, f580 --- marxist front [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comrade Frankenstein, Our observation interleaved frankenstein580 [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
Oh the great Engels he is indeed a genius. Thank you. I see no error in these writings. Now how WAISTLINE applies this to his metabolic breach thing awaits to be seen. f580 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is Engels opening line: Labour is the source of all wealth,

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE QUOTES ENGELS AND COMMENTS: 1). A meat diet contained in an almost ready state the most essential ingredients required by the organism for its metabolism. This is not correct. 2). By shortening the time required for digestion, it also shortened the other vegetative bodily

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
Sorry but was on lunch break and will later explain why I think and believe private property has its genesis in the metabolic rift within man himself. The problem is tackling the theory of metabolism, which is old hat. WAISTLINE: At any rate private property has its genesis as an

Re: [MLL] Conduct on the list

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: This is really the same argument as the viral theory of disease in its underlying theory exposition. Lastly, there is a reason I invest energy into forwarding material to this list on food. MY COMMENTS: True, so we reach the same conclusions. --- [EMAIL

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again

2007-12-11 Thread frankenstein580
The private property relations cannot grow out of trade of things. The only thing that can grow from trade is the impulse to creates products. Products does not mean commodities. The answer must lie elsewhere. MY COMMENTS: I think that you have it backwards ? First came the impulse

Re: [MLL] Communism Now! - Vision of division of labor: robots apply

2007-12-12 Thread frankenstein580
Nice vision. Now we still have an abomination that is Imperialism which is causing havoc among the metabolic people of the earth to deal with. Do you have any vision for that? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The state and dictatorship are one thing, and the administration of

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again -summation of Communism Now

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
The problem with WAISTLINE's economic communism is this: Robots and computers don't make revolution, people make revolution. Robots and computers are machines invented by people so that people may utilize it to facilitate their LABAOR a bad word in WAISTLINE's vocabulary, but the most

Re: [MLL] Communism Now! - Vision The 3rd American Revolution

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
Dear WAISTLINE, Your vision is not my vision. You are a racist. History reveals that people of all colors have conquered. You have expressed your contempt towards the proletariat, work, and the soviet revolution, and hence toward any proletarian revolution. You speak with forked tongue.

Re: [MLL] Conduct - Metabolic process/Primitve Communism IS Female

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE PHILOSOPHY: I am called a fool, degenerate and revisionists for stating the obvious. I write about the us we are scared to face. I write about why we are barbarians. Let's assume I am wrong. No one can convince me that cruelty flows from inanimate objects and blame social

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again -summation of Communism Now

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
Your problem is that you're and Idle worshiper and a labor hack. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with WAISTLINE's economic communism is this: Robots and computers don't make revolution, people make revolution. Robots and computers are machines invented by people so

Re: [MLL] Communism Now! - Vision The 3rd American Revolution

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
My evidence is for all to see in your notes to the MLL. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your vision is not my vision. You are a racist. History reveals that people of all colors have conquered. You have expressed your contempt towards the proletariat, work, and the soviet

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again -summation of Communism Now/racism

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
Your notes expose your contempt towards Stalin, the soviet revolution, the proletariat, and Marxism Leninism. Your contempt, despite your pretty vision, will never be embraced by the working class. Why, because you despise us. But the feeling is mutual. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MLL] Read Engels Again -summation of Communism Now

2007-12-13 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: Comrade you sound like a theoretical coward scared to realize the depth of your own slavery. Why are you so obsessed and filled with hate concerting a society where labor is voluntary? MY COMMENT: What the working class won't allow is racist cowards to sit idle while

[MLL] SHORT SLOGANS WILL OUTDO BABBLE ANYTIME

2007-12-16 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: Slogans cannot answer difficult questions that require study and patience. Why fight a proposition before trying to think things out? MY COMMENTS: The idiosyncrasies which WAISTLINE raises to occult concepts familiar to revolutionary political scientists apparently prove not

Re: [MLL] metabolic breach

2007-12-17 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE QUOTES MARX: 'We must avoid repeating the mistake of the political economist, who bases his explanations on some imaginary primordial condition. Such a primordial condition explains nothing. It simply pushes the question into the grey and nebulous distance. It assumes as

Re: [MLL] Metabolic Breach

2007-12-17 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE QUOTES MARX: 'We must avoid repeating the mistake of the political economist, who bases his explanations on some imaginary primordial condition. Such a primordial condition explains nothing. It simply pushes the question into the grey and nebulous distance. It assumes as

[MLL] Marx and Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift

2007-12-17 Thread frankenstein580
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces

Re: [MLL] Marx and Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift

2007-12-18 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: Marx did not write Work will become man's prime want. In my opinion, the socialist idea, that writes on its banner, He Who Does Not Work, Shall Not Each, is in appropriate and under our under modern conditions, would throw America back to the 1890's. The best society

Re: [MLL] Marx and Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE PERSEVERES: If a section of the working class holds people in contempt it is because this section holds itself in contempt and cannot sense its body and heart beat. I am aware that all of this sounds very mysterious and light headed but this is only because you are

Re: [MLL] Marx Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift - Reform or Revolution

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE : There are no more reforms left in capitalism because it is not possible to reformulate the relations between and within the existing classes without changing the property relations. The concept of the most poverty stricken and destitute of the proletarian masses is no

Re: [MLL] Marx and Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: This is not a theoretically convincing argument. Actually I am not rich MY COMMENTS: Theoretically convincing arguments is what WAISTLINE wants. Perhaps something like the deprived convincing arguments which he deposits. I rather like posturing my idiosyncrasies against his,

Re: [MLL] metabolic breach - the dispute.

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: Our dispute is over our vision of communism and why communists must dig into the most poverty stricken and destitute of the proletarian masses and view strategy from this lens. MY COMMENTS: Besides your revisionism, our dispute is about everything that we are disputing about.

Re: [MLL] Marx Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift - Reform or Revolution

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
When I'm good and ready. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that your brain is now in an ebb state on the matter. The mighty working class will indeed determine the course of history. I believe that, and that's why I'm a Marxist. Comment What about the Foster

Re: [MLL] metabolic breach - the dispute.

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE'S ANARCHISM: I make it perfectly clear that the state has no business sticking its nose into the production process. We do not need a state demanding that a government bureau be set up to count widgets. The dictatorship of the proletariat in America will not have a bureau or

Re: [MLL] Marx and Bellamy Foster on the Metabolic Rift

2007-12-19 Thread frankenstein580
WAISTLINE: 'Actually, I was still wondering about me being rich, which you wrote and really would like for you to locate my money at a finders fee of 50% . . . . please help me.' MY COMMENTS: The same applies to the industrial proletariat which still earns less than you ever admitted

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