Comrades,
The following article was published by LRNA in their periodical Rally,
Comrades, Vol 20, Edition 1 of Jan/Feb 2010 which is their present edition:
Grasp the Key Link,
Pull the Whole Chain Forward
We are entering into an epoch of social revolution, a time of crisis. The very
“New Trade Union Initiative”.
Below is the link of article of Manzoor Ahmed Razi Chairman of Railway Workers
Union open line, published in monthly “Awami jamhooriat” regarding his visit to
India Mumbai in Labor Conference organized by “New Trade Union
Yes. The LRNA articles and editorials are excellent. I was a member of the
League and my struggle with them was this: What role does the old
proletariat play in this revolution; that is, that section of the class not
dispossessed, still working and creating surplus value, is it symbiotic
In a message dated 3/24/2010 9:02:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mark1scot...@yahoo.com writes:
LRNA's editorials and/or articles are very good
Comment
Not withstanding my personal opinions and visions, these are the folks I
have worked with more than less for the past 40 years. LRNA
In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:28:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
frankied...@yahoo.com writes:
Yes. The LRNA articles and editorials are excellent. I was a member of
the League and my struggle with them was this: What role does the old
proletariat play in this revolution; that is,
(quoting from another author)
I think the very small and powerless far left in this country went way off
the deep end in calling for the defeat of the health care bill.
The basic argument is that it still leaves the insurance industry and
pharmaceutical industry in the catbird seat,
Dear Waistline,
I have a quick question that is somewhat separate from the debate going on on
the list.
According to one summary I read of the Obama health care bill (actually of the
Senate's proposed changes), there would be a 40% tax on hiigh-cost insurance
plans worth more than $10,200 for
In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:28:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
frankied...@yahoo.com writes:
The question becomes: who will fight in the interest of the exploited
class.. or do we believe that it's becoming extinct. Surely, the
capitalist, in their introduction of robotics, SEEM
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:40:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
geor...@micronetix.net writes:
According to one summary I read of the Obama health care bill (actually of
the Senate's proposed changes), there would be a 40% tax on hiigh-cost
insurance plans worth more than $10,200 for
Check out the People's Tribune issue of May 2009 Vol. 36, No. 5
_http://www.peoplestribune.org/PT.2009.05.0.html_
(http://www.peoplestribune.org/PT.2009.05.0.html)
Auto Workers Woes Symbolize Struggle Ahead for Everyone.
WL.
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Dear Waistline,
I am not sure whether this link was in reply to my question. Anyway, I checked
it out. It had some very interesting material on the increase in productivity
and decline in employment in the auto industry, but it did not deal with the
question that I asked.
Let me explain what
Comrades,
I think there are some misconceptions all around for sure. Even I had the same
misconception of what was put forward as the new class by LRNA and disagreed
with them, however, I do not believe this conception of the new class is at
all intended to supersede or in any way make null
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Labor Produces All Value
The Capitalists Make the Profit
Interesting article : http://www.workingpeoplesvoice.org/wpvv3n1/labor.htm
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Comrades,
Thank you for this contribution. A good article.
Fraternally
Mark Scott
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Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 12:04:24 PM
Subject: [MLL] Labor
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:40:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_geor...@micronetix.net_ (mailto:geor...@micronetix.net) writes:
According to one summary I read of the Obama health care bill (actually
of the Senate's proposed changes), there would be a 40% tax on hiigh-cost
insurance
In other words we are member of the same organization. The unity I speak of
is unity of action. The reason the League is a League is to win over
revolutionaries and the fighting section of the proletariat. This is a diverse
lot. I accept “Rally Comrades,” as the final arbitrator of general
I have read your link and I have read and reread Rally Comrades as well as the
Tribune and no where does it advocate your vision of economic communism as
an alternative to the accepted concept of socialism. LRNA clearly advocates
socialism as the transitory stage to communism. The only
What I am saying is that socialism is still the dialectics of the
transition from capitalism as we know it today to the higher stage of communism
which is classless society. The reason for the stage of transition known
as socialism was clearly defined as the stage of societal development
Dear comrades,
Sorry, but the League is NOT a Marxist organization although there are Marxist
within it, Unless they have changed back to being Marxist since I was last
there. That is because its politics cannot be called Marxist. The new class
concept, I perceive, as reactionary.
To
Where in Rally Comrades is it stated
that
productive capital exists totally independent of speculative fiance?
my comment:
Productive capital is separate from speculative capital. Speculative capital
is separate from commercial capital. These capitals are separate but
WL:
Where in any Rally articles does the League call anyone making more than
$25,000 conservative?
my comment:
Honest League members will concur with this statement as being true, for I
have read it numerous times and in fact it was my reason for breaking with the
League. It was said
Why is the New Class Revolutionary?
from the Editorial Board RALLY COMRADES
[Excerpt]
.Industrialization brought about a great social revolution in
Europe and America; however it did not go far enough and deep enough to bring
about the kind of political revolution that
1. What revolutionary role do workers in any industry earning over $25, 000
/ year hold?
Lets make this real and take me for example and all my comrades who did 20
to 40 years in auto. We are genuine leaders of the revolutionary tradition
and elements of the proletariat. Everyone we
In a message dated 3/25/2010 6:53:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
frankied...@yahoo.com writes:
Notice that the working class while antagonistic to feudalism because
it was outside that system are merely in contradiction with capitalism
since it is inside the system.
f580
Comment
In a message dated 3/25/2010 8:30:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
frankied...@yahoo.com writes:
These new strata of workers and this new permanently unemployed are the
result of the introduction of electronics into the workplace.
They are a new class.
my comment:
Do I need say anymore?
No. I don't agree with your or LRNA new class concept. It is reactionary.
It will provoke antagonistic reaction within the class. You split them apart,
not I. The dispossessed [and NOT the lumpen], unemployed workers, marginal
workers, immigrant workers, part time workers, migrant
Great quote indeed!!
These new strata of workers are explained in the quote as on the other
hand. They are potential new class recruits. Almost there but not quite.
f580
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Comrade WL,
You stated in response to Comrade f580:
The new class is new because it evolves in relationship to qualitatively new
means of production. Where ever and when ever qualitatively new means
of production appear in a society rent with class struggle - private property,
you are going
OUR' is the workers I march with.
f580
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From: waistli...@aol.com waistli...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] LRNA, WHY THE NEW CLASS IS REVOLUTIONARY... OUTSIDE THE
SYSTEM
To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu
Date:
Comrade Scott,
I think that this point of yours can be taken to a higher logical conclusion,
if I may:
.it creates the new class in relationship to the new means or mode of
production based on the emergence of electronics.
There are indeed workers all over the world and here in USA
Comrade f580,
I am unclear as to how you arrive at the conclusion that LRNA, would or does,
consider a worker as reactionary. I do not like he said/she said arguements
and had no intention of relating a conversation I had with a member of the
editorial staff that is my best friend, however, I
Comrade Scott,
I quoted here from the LEAGUE, RALLY COMRADES the relevant articles defining
the new class and its relations with the rest of the proletariat. I could
quote more, if I need too.
If the new class is revolutionary because they are outside the system [which
they're not]
Comrade f580,
You stated:
If the LRNA considers all sectors of the class, except, perhaps the labor
aristocracy, or the labor hacks, as revolutionary, then good for us. Labor
united!
I assure you this is their position. What I am asking for is can you give me
the exact article name or link
Here is the re-post on the INSIDE- OUTSIDE matter. Would you share your
thoughts on this, please. I asked whether the LEAGUE would deem the INSIDER
sector of the working class reactionary being, in my words, that its not prone
to overthrow capitalism as the dispossessed would. Note that
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