Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Clayton
On 05/19/2010 01:20 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 18 May 2010 18:35, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding on behalf of Jack, which is not subscribed: Maybe the best idea would be to kill off our FCKeditor extension and try to collaborate with Wikia regarding their CKeditor

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]
I've been following the CKeditor effort and their promises, once version 3.0 was out, to work on a CKeditor+Mediawiki. Version 3.2 is now out and no sign of a CKeditor+Mediawiki effort, and most concerning is the lack of any recent responses to direct questions about the previously promised

Re: [Mediawiki-l] how to set default mediawiki charset ?

2010-05-19 Thread Riccardo Veraldi
ater trying to move from latin1 to utf8 and conerting enconding using sed I ahev this error: mysql -u root -p wikidb.190510-4.utf8.mysql Enter password: ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 237: Duplicate entry '0-Procom_Netforce_3000' for key 2 the latin1 file instead works... looks like something

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Steve VanSlyck
Take a look at what Wikipedia is currently doing with the vector skin. I'm having no problems, and, really, asking people to do their own markup is not something I see as a great issue. It requries people to engage mentally - at least somewhat - with what they're doing and forces them to use

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Cummings
Steve VanSlyck wrote: Take a look at what Wikipedia is currently doing with the vector skin. I'm having no problems, and, really, asking people to do their own markup is not something I see as a great issue. It requries people to engage mentally - at least somewhat - with what they're doing

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]
Our experience has been that once the FCKeditor was installed on our 60+ wikis usage went up. Our users are mostly intermittent, using a wiki infrequently, so learning and retaining wikitext is not something we can take for granted. And I agree if it were just bold, italics, etc, everything

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 May 2010 15:50, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I have to disagree with you given my experience. In one government department where MediaWiki was installed we saw the active user base spike from about 1000 users to about 8000 users within a month of having   enabled

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Steve VanSlyck
Becuase Mediawiki was designed as a replacement for hand coding or learning html, not as a replacement for Word or WordPerfect. - Original Message - WYSIWYG editing is about 15 years old so it is nothing new, so I'm perplexed why it is not available with Mediawiki, which has editing at

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Chad
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Our main problem is how to make things work for people who want WYSIWYG and people who want wikitext. I thought this was what CK in MW was working on ... That really is the kicker isn't it? For longtime users of MW,

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 May 2010 16:08, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: So to answer the original question of Why don't we have WYSIWYG when it's been around for 15 years? It's because we need a lossless conversion between raw wikitext and wikitext output by the visual editor. Last time I checked, this

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Daniel Barrett
I'd be amazed to see a great WYSIWYG editor for any wiki, even among commercial packages. I evaluated Atlassian's very popular Confluence wiki awhile back, and it took me all of 5 minutes to find several bugs in the editor. Likewise for the wiki in SharePoint 2007, which was far less powerful.

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Cummings
David Gerard wrote: On 19 May 2010 15:50, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I have to disagree with you given my experience. In one government department where MediaWiki was installed we saw the active user base spike from about 1000 users to about 8000 users within a month of

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Cummings
Since a plethora of intelligent people with no desire to learn WikiCode can now add content, the quality of posts has been in line with the adoption of wiki use by these people. Thus one would say it has gone up. In the beginning there were some hard core users that learned WikiCode, for the

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]
Well, yes and no. Early word processors were quite buggy, and they had to produce postscript to send to a laser printer, postscript that no one ever had to edit in. And what you saw was not always what you got, but improvements were made and today we expect word processors to work flawlessly

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 May 2010 16:39, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: In my particular case I get to fix the bugs and enhance both MediaWiki and FCKeditor :) Unfortunately, at this time I am unable to pass fixes back to the community due to contracting issues and how it relates to GPL. This is

[Mediawiki-l] Entries in glossary

2010-05-19 Thread Webmaster Casa das Ciências - Guilherme Monteiro
Hy, In the glossary entries beginning with lower case, or with accents appear on a site different from that start with capital letter. It is possibel put them together? How? Thanks! -- Guilherme Monteiro Webmaster Casa das Ciências Rua Campo Alegre 687 / 4169 - 007 PORTO GAB./SALA 351

Re: [Mediawiki-l] Entries in glossary

2010-05-19 Thread Webmaster Casa das Ciências - Guilherme Monteiro
I saw the answer in portuguese, here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories/pt#Chave_de_ordena.C3.A7.C3.A3o thanks any way. No dia 19 de Maio de 2010 16:47, Webmaster Casa das Ciências - Guilherme Monteiro webmas...@casadasciencias.org escreveu: Hy, In the glossary entries beginning

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Daniel Barrett
James Sullivan wrote: Well, yes and no. Early word processors were quite buggy, and they had to produce postscript to send to a laser printer... Hmmm, the early word processors I remember were HARDWARE. I guess that makes me ancient. :-) ...but improvements were made and today we expect word

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Steve VanSlyck
MOving over to the other side of the argument for a moment, it seems to me that the building could be built one brick at a time. E.g., get the basic features in place first, such as bolding, underscoring, links, and god-forbid tables - and then move on from there. Worry only about the visual

Re: [Mediawiki-l] link.php - firefox issue

2010-05-19 Thread Tolliver
Hello Jan, Here is what the user entered, and it did work except not with Firefox: linkS:\Name\hello iu.doc/link Thank you. Jan Luca wrote: Hi, can you give a example of a call of the extension? Best regards, Jan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 May 2010 18:42, Steve VanSlyck s.vansl...@spamcop.net wrote: MOving over to the other side of the argument for a moment, it seems to me that the building could be built one brick at a time. E.g., get the basic features in place first, such as bolding, underscoring, links, and god-forbid

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]
I agree. The latest version that I use (2.6.4) has a (C) menu button that allows you to add Categories to your page, bringing up a dialog box and showing existing categories to choose from or to create a new one. Nice feature since I always hate, while editing in wikitext, to have to start up

Re: [Mediawiki-l] how to set default mediawiki charset ?

2010-05-19 Thread Platonides
Riccardo Veraldi wrote: ater trying to move from latin1 to utf8 and conerting enconding using sed I ahev this error: mysql -u root -p wikidb.190510-4.utf8.mysql Enter password: ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 237: Duplicate entry '0-Procom_Netforce_3000' for key 2 I guess you used sed to

Re: [Mediawiki-l] FCK Editor svn head and MW 1.16b2 - correct venue?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Cummings
Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote: I agree. The latest version that I use (2.6.4) has a (C) menu button that allows you to add Categories to your page, bringing up a dialog box and showing existing categories to choose from or to create a new one. Nice feature since I always hate, while