Re: Mersenne: Where is M23494381?

2003-12-26 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 25 December 2003 23:22, Ignacio Larrosa Cañestro wrote: Where went M23494381? I has assigned that exponent to factor. But today it dissappears from my Individual Account Report. And I don't found it in the Assigned Exponents Report nor in the Cleared Exponents Report ... Yes -

Re: Mersenne: Re: Large memory pages in Linux

2003-12-24 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 23 December 2003 20:15, Matthias Waldhauer wrote: Last friday I read some messages about recent kernel modifications and patches for version 2.6.0. There is an imcplicit_large_page patch, allowing applications to use large pages without modifications. I don't have the time to dig

Mersenne: Another thought on the L-L Test

2003-12-13 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, Another thought struck me - this could have useful applications in L-L testing programs. If M is the Mersenne number being tested R(i) is the L-L residue after i iterations, then R(i+1) = R(i) * R(i) - 2 (modulo M) (by the statement of the L-L algorithm) But note that (M - R(i))^2 - 2 =

Re: Mersenne: Speeding Up The Speediest Yet

2003-07-12 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 12 July 2003 13:08, Scott Gibbs wrote: Dear Base: By a twist of extraordinary luck I procured a 3GHz. P IV with 1 GByte of RAM which translates to 12 possible 1 million candidate tests per year. But I found a way to accelerate this behemoth even more! By installing the

Re: Mersenne: Squaring huge numbers

2003-06-29 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 29 June 2003 05:42, Pierre Abbat wrote: I am investigating 64-100 sequences, which are chains of bases such that the number written 100 in each is written 64 in the next (e.g. 8,10,16,42). I quickly wrote a Python program to compute them. It is now computing the square of a 1555000

Re: Mersenne: Double Checking

2003-06-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 28 June 2003 18:47, you wrote: Will the 64-bit residue be the SAME when a given exponent was originally Lucas-Lehmer tested with a 384K FFT, but the double-check is performed using a 448K FFT ? Hopefully - in fact the whole 2^p-1 bit residue R(p) should be the same! R(2)=4 R(n+1)

Re: Mersenne: M#40 - what went wrong?

2003-06-17 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 16 June 2003 20:16, George Woltman wrote: I'm also adding code to 23.5 to check EVERY iteration for an impossible result such as -2, -1, 0, 1, 2. This test will be very, very quick. Sounds sensible to me ... but, does it not make sense to run this test during those iterations when

Re: Mersenne: Re: M#40 verification run

2003-06-12 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 12 June 2003 10:07, Nathan Russell wrote: That is a collosal understatement. Every modulo operation destroys information, and I'm not sure whether one COULD construct such a file. Indeed. In general there will be more than one x such that x^2-2 = R modulo 2^p-1 so, working

Re: Mersenne: mersenne prime +2

2003-04-06 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 05 April 2003 20:33, Alexander Kruppa wrote: Bjoern Hoffmann wrote: Hi, I wondered if someone already have checked if the last mersenne numbers +2 are double primes? like 3+5, 5+7, 9+11, 11+13 or 824 633 702 441 and 824 633 702 443 regards Bjoern Mp + 2 is

Re: Mersenne: mersenne prime +2

2003-04-05 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, The _only_ incidence of 2^p-1 2^p+1 both being prime is p=2 yielding the prime pair (3, 5). Here's a proof by induction: Consider the difference between the second successor of two consecutive Mersenne numbers with odd exponents: (2^(n+2)+1) - (2^n+1) = 2^(n+2) - 2^n = 2^n * (2^2 - 1) =

Re: Mersenne: mprime and primenet

2003-04-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 07:11, John R Pierce wrote: I just started running a recent build of mprime on a couple of linux systems, and noted an anomaly vis a vis primenet... When mprime connects to primenet, its not updating date on the rest of the worktodo, only on the exponent actually in

Re: Mersenne: servers down completely?

2003-03-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, There still seems to be a problem of some sort. This morning (between 0800 0900 GMT) I was able to get some results checked in but since then I'm getting server unavailable from the client. traceroute shows a nice loop: This is typical of a problem at a network leaf node. The site

Re: Mersenne: p4 xeons...

2003-03-16 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 15 March 2003 01:07, John R Pierce wrote: another minor question... Is there any way to force CPU affinity, or does mprime do that automatically? Unlike Windows, linux has a smart CPU/task allocation algorithm that tries hard (but not too hard) to run a thread on the same CPU it

Re: Mersenne: Optimal choice of E in P-1 computations

2003-03-09 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 09 March 2003 12:24, Daran wrote: In the hope of more quickly collecting data, I have also redone, to 'first time test' limits, every entry in pminus1.txt which had previously done to B1=B2=1000, 2000, and 3000. For these exponents, all in the 1M-3M ranges, the client was able to

Re: Mersenne: please recommend a machine

2003-03-08 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:35, spike66 wrote: Some of you hardware jockeys please give me a clue. I have two machines at home running GIMPS 24-7. One is a P4-2Ghz. The other is a 5 yr old 350 Mhz PII, which is in need of a tech refresh. Clearly there is more to computer performance than

Re: Mersenne: P-1 on PIII or P4?

2003-03-06 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 06 March 2003 13:03, Daran wrote: Based upon what I know of the algorithms involved, it *ought* to be the case that you should do any P-1 work on the machine which can give it the most memory, irrespective of processor type. ... assuming the OS allows a single process to grab the

Re: Mersenne: Why is trial factoring of small exponents slower than large ones?

2003-02-07 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 07 February 2003 04:00, G W Reynolds wrote: I am using mprime 22.12 on a pentium 166 MMX to do trial factoring. For the exponents currently being assigned from primenet it takes this machine about 12 minutes to factor from 2^57 to 2^58. I thought I would try factoring some small

Re: Mersenne: ECM

2003-02-02 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 01 February 2003 07:53, Eric Hahn wrote: Let's say you've done 700 curves with B1=25,000 to find a factor up to 30-digits... and you've been unsuccessful... :-( Now you've decided to try 1800 curves with B1=1,000,000 to try and find a factor up to 35-digits. Do you have to

Re: Mersenne: Re: poaching

2003-01-29 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 01:07, Paul Missman wrote: You bring up an interesting point about the software, I suppose. I never thought that George or Scott considered the software proprietary. This whole area is a legal minefield ... Even open source software can be proprietized, e.g. the

Re: Mersenne: GIMPS Forum

2003-01-26 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:11, Rick Pali wrote: [... snip ...] that *everything* on the site is copyright by the owner. No exception is made for the forums. They even go so far as do reject liability for what people write, but seem to claim ownership non-the-less. IANAL but I don't think

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-26 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 26 January 2003 19:55, Mary K. Conner wrote: [ big snip - lots of _very_ sensible ideas!!! ] Primenet, and Primenet should preferentially give work over 64 bits to SSE2 clients, and perhaps direct others to factor only up to 64 bits unless there aren't enough SSE2 clients to

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailing list

2003-01-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 25 January 2003 05:38, Michael Vang wrote: Well, to be honest, not much more can be done... As it is now, we have several mechanisms in place to enable people with dialup access the ability to log on and get done right quick... What about posting (a digest of) forum messages on

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 25 January 2003 02:07, John R Pierce wrote: But, no, you won't be able to complete a 10M on a P100 ;-) my slowest machine still on primenet is a p150 that has 60 days to finish 14581247, its been working on it for about 300 days now, 24/7, with nearly zero downtime. 2.22 seconds

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-24 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 24 January 2003 02:27, Richard Woods wrote: Let's put it this way: Maybe you don't give a fig for fame, but some of the rest of us do. A chance at real, honest-to-gosh mathematical fame has a value not measurable in CPU years, but poaching steals that. So what we want is a

Re: Mersenne: Top 1000 connection to server

2003-01-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 07:57, Denis Cazor wrote: Hello, for my part, I looked for my place in the top 1000 list - on www.mersenne.org /top.html my place is 388 this week with 100 LL tests. - on mersenne.org/ips/topproduccers.shtml (updated hourly) I found to be at the 26444 place,

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 22:50, Richard Woods wrote: Here's what I've just posted in the GIMPS Forum. - - - _IF_ PrimeNet has automatic time limits on assignments, ordinarily requiring no manual intervention to expire assignments or re-assign them, then why would any GIMPS participant,

Re: Mersenne: Has something gone wrong with the mersenne.org server? (yes, again)

2002-12-08 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 07 December 2002 23:45, Barry Stokes wrote: Tried to get to my individual account report again, and this time was greeted with this: Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service. Anyone else getting the same? Yes. Around 0700 GMT yesterday (7th) I

Re: Mersenne: P-1 and non k-smooth factors

2002-12-05 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 21:46, Daran wrote: [... snip ...] ...though I think there needs to be a careful analysis as to what the extra computation time for actual E values might be... I agree. My tests have been limited to exponents in the 8.1M range, for no particular reason than

Re: Mersenne: P-1 and non k-smooth factors

2002-12-04 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 22:31, Daran wrote: [... snip ...] For clarity, let's write mD as x, so that for a Suyama power E, the exponent (x^E - d^E) is thrown into the mix when either x-d or x+d is prime in [B1...B2], (and only once if both are prime). This works because (provide E is

Re: Mersenne: Re: christmas computer system?

2002-11-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 25 November 2002 12:36, you wrote: One should basically not use a CD-R/CD-RW as a general CD reader, since it usually has way lower MTBF than a normal CD/DVD reader, and is more expensive. Ie. it breaks a lot earlier if you use it a lot, and it's more expensive to replace :-) Did

Re: Mersenne: christmas computer system?

2002-11-24 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 24 November 2002 15:55, you wrote: (B I'm giving my brother's family a new computer for christmas. (B He'll buy it from a local (to him) 'white box' pc store and I'll (B pay for it. I am a little concerned about performance because (B the pc will probably be running GIMPS and I'd

Re: Mersenne: christmas computer system?

2002-11-24 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 24 November 2002 18:47, John R Pierce wrote: my shopping list for a reasonably priced high quality P4 right now is, with prices from my local cloneshop (not the cheapest place, but good service)... $213 Intel Retail P4-2.4B (these have the 533MHz bus) 2.53B should be very little

Re: SV: SV: Mersenne: Drifting UP(!) in Top Producers ranking?

2002-11-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 23 November 2002 02:41, Torben Schlüntz wrote: [... snip ...] Sorry Nathan. It is my fault you read the IMHO paragraph in a wrong way. I meant I had that point of view UNTIL I discussed it.. As George argue: Nobody would do LL if a succesful TF was rewarded the same - he is

Re: Mersenne: Poach?

2002-11-19 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 16:21, George Woltman wrote: At 01:30 PM 11/19/2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week this was a 1st test assignment, now it's a double check? Unfortunately there was a server sync in the meantime, so I can't check the cleared.txt. But I find in hrf3.txt:

Re: Mersenne: CPU type wrong on account report

2002-11-15 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 15 November 2002 00:23, Ryan Malayter wrote: Does anyone else have their P4 and newer Xeon machines show up as Unspecified Type on the Individual Account Report page? Is this a common issue, or do I have something flaky in my local.ini? Yes, there's something odd - I have two P4s

Re: Mersenne: Request for help (especially ECM)

2002-11-12 Thread Brian J. Beesley
One more, this one is a much larger exponent. The factor 17304916353938823097 of M111409 is found with sigma=8866098559252914, in stage 2 with B1 = 4861 B2 = 343351. I didn't bother finding the critical limit for finding the factor in stage 1 as it would have taken a considerable amount of

Re: Mersenne: Update on my stability issues

2002-11-11 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 11 November 2002 22:28, Gareth Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The front air intake vents on almost every PC case I have ever seen have been virtually *useless*. For some reason manufacturers continue to drill a few pathetically small holes in the steel sheet and call that an air

Re: Mersenne: Request for help (especially ECM)

2002-11-10 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 09 November 2002 04:45, you wrote: A harder problem is finding some smooth ECM curves to test. I do not have tools to compute group orders. Nor do I. If someone can help by finding a couple of dozen smooth ECM test cases for exponents between 1000 and 50, I would be most

Re: Mersenne: Request for help (especially ECM)

2002-11-10 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 10 November 2002 20:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian J. Beesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote - Here's one example: - - With sigma=1459848859275459, Prime95 v22.12 finds the factor - 777288435261989969 of M1123: - - in stage 1 with B1 = 535489 - in stage 2 with B1 = 38917 B2

Re: Mersenne: Bug in version 22.10

2002-11-06 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 05 November 2002 21:40, George Woltman wrote: I'd actually recommend not doing the P-1 again. If you are using enough memory to run both P-1 stages, then the bug did not affect stage 1 but did affect stage 2. If you run only stage 1 of P-1, then the bug would cause no factors to

Re: Mersenne: Bug in version 22.10

2002-11-05 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, One thing you might consider - when you change to v22.11, check out your results file. If you have a P-1 run logged on an exponent you haven't yet started LL/DC testing, make it run the P-1 again (change the ,1 at the end of the assignment line in worktodo.ini to ,0). If you are already

Re: Mersenne: Modularising Prime95/mprime - a path to broader development.

2002-10-31 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 30 October 2002 23:08, Gareth Randall wrote: Could you please expand upon how this secure certificate concept would work, for the benefit of myself and the list? Unless there is more to it than I currently comprehend, this only authenticates results as coming from specific users,

Re: Mersenne: Torture test allocating hundreds of MB?

2002-10-30 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 30 October 2002 02:34, Nathan Russell wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. In this case, it's a bug in my thinking. I had the memory usage set to the max allowable, because I wanted P-1 to succeed whenever possible, even if it inconvenienced me - I do most of my academic

Re: Mersenne: Modularising Prime95/mprime - a path to broader development.

2002-10-29 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 17:28, Gareth Randall wrote: I'd like to suggest that prime95/mprime be modularised, and that only the core calculation component be kept closed source. Umm - actually the core calculation component is open source (but subject to restrictive licence). See

Re: Mersenne: On v18 factoring

2002-10-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 07:26, Nathan Russell wrote: Other people have mentioned the possibility of automatically disengaging or updating the client. I am aware of several linux distributions which do the exact same thing (in fact I am not aware of any widely popular one which

Re: Mersenne: Dissed again

2002-10-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 16:31, you wrote: Yeah, well, we don't have a super cool Trojan horse program that can update itself (and crash machines) like these other ones, and we're not out there looking for ET or saving cancer boy or anything... just a bunch of geeks looking for big numbers.

Re: Mersenne: On v18 factoring

2002-10-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 21:00, you wrote: Suffice to say that the machine I used to use when working at a *totally different* telecom (not US WEST, oddly) had Prime95 running happily on it. When I left, I didn't get a chance to wipe the machine, so every once in a blue moon I see it check

Re: Mersenne: On v18 factoring

2002-10-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 19:09, Gordon Bower wrote: [... snip ...] Does anyone have any suggestions for how to stop a runaway copy of v18? Perhaps in a few weeks the server can be updated to return an out of exponents error to v18 instead of offering it an assignment it can't handle? This

Re: Mersenne: Composite factors.

2002-09-24 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 06:05, Daran wrote: P-1, like any other GCD-based factorisation method, will yield a composite result in the event that there are two (or more) prime factors within its search space. It seems unlikely that this would happen in practice because unless both were ~

Re: Mersenne: TF - an easy way to cheat

2002-09-21 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 20 September 2002 22:42, Torben Schlüntz wrote: Anyone receiving a TF task could edit the worktodo.ini from Factor=20.abc.def,59 to Factor=20.abc.def,65 He would receive approx. twice the credit the effort is worth. Not quite - even allowing for the 1/2^6 effort involved in TF

Re: Mersenne: TF - an easy way to cheat

2002-09-21 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 21 September 2002 16:15, Daran wrote: ... through 64 bits the algorithm runs much faster than it does for 65 bits and above. The factor is around 1.6 rather than 2. Good point, and one which I didn't consider in my reply. But the ratio must be different for the P4, which

Re: Mersenne: Hyper-threading

2002-09-21 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 21 September 2002 21:20, Daran wrote: Could this feature of forthcoming Intel processors be used to do trial factorisation without adversely impacting upon a simultaneous LL? Could this be easily implemented? 1) _Existing_ Pentium 4 Xeons have hyperthreading capability. 2)

Re: Mersenne: New First Time Tests!

2002-09-18 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 16 September 2002 22:18, George Woltman wrote: I'm releasing about 3000 exponents from 10,000,000 to 15,000,000 for first-time testing! These have been tested once already, but the first run had one or more error. As we saw in another thread, this means the first test has less

Re: Mersenne: Order of TF and P-1

2002-09-12 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 11 September 2002 13:43, Steve Harris wrote: I don't think the TF limits were ever lowered; I haven't checked the source from the latest version but the TF limits should surely be linked in some way to the LL/DC FFT run length crossovers. Many of these _have_ been lowered.

Re: Mersenne: WinXP SP1 slows prime95

2002-09-11 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 10 September 2002 19:09, Jud McCranie wrote: Yesterday I went from Windows XP home to service pack 1. The speed of prime95 went down by over 2%. Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas on what caused it or how it can be fixed? No, I haven't seen this. I don't even have a copy of

Re: Mersenne: Still unable to communicate with server.

2002-09-03 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 30 August 2002 20:59, I wrote: Are we losing users? Well, if users can't connect to the server, they're going to be discouraged. Ditto anyone still using Windows 95 - Prime95 v22.3+ has problems since George apparently upgraded his development kit. I'm please to report that Prime95

Mersenne: Database - truncated lucas_v file available

2002-09-03 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, Since George added offset error information to the lucas_v database file, it's grown ... now around 7 megabytes, making it painful to download on an analogue modem link. I've therefore created a truncated version of the file. This is the same file but with the information omitted for

Re: Mersenne: More error info

2002-09-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 01 September 2002 03:35, George Woltman wrote: Our intrepid researcher broke down the non-clean run stats below. So if you get a single error, you've got a 2/3 chance of being OK. Two or more errors and your chances are not good. There will be a major change in this area - since

Re: Mersenne: Still unable to communicate with server.

2002-09-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 30 August 2002 21:29, you wrote: Well, Win95 is getting increasingly uncommon (and for good reasons, stability and support for USB come to mind). Well - there are still a lot of older systems around which run Win 95 quite happily (some of them are even reasonably stable!) but

Re: Mersenne: Still unable to communicate with server.

2002-08-30 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 30 August 2002 04:22, Sisyphus wrote: Hi, Recently started getting error 29 with Windows, PrimeNet version 21, so I've upgraded to version 22.8. Now I get error 2250 - so we're definitely making progress 2250 is a problem with the server being offline for some reason. :-)

Re: Mersenne: 22.8.1 has increased iteration time

2002-08-30 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 29 August 2002 13:30, Gary Edstrom wrote: I have noticed a small but definite increase in the iteration time of version 22.8.1 as opposed to 21.4. During the night, when my 2.2GHz Pentium IV system was free of all other processing activities, the iteration times were as follows:

Re: Mersenne: 266 vs 333 ddr on Athlon

2002-08-27 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 02:08, Marc Honey wrote: Anyone else notice that a kt333 Athlon board using an Athlon XP gets better performance at 266 than at 333? I was amazed at the difference, and yes I tweaked out the bios under both memory speeds. AMD really needs a fsb speed update!

Re: Mersenne: Benchmarks / Reference Machine / Calculations

2002-08-21 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 22:39, you wrote: Michael Vang highlights the fact that there are two different things that we can measure: 1) work accomplished, e.g. Mnumbers evaluated, iterations run, etc. 2) work effort expended, which requires evaluation of processor/system power. The P4

Re: Mersenne: The first 1000+ digit prime

2002-08-20 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 16:32, Tony Forbes wrote: We all know that A. Hurwitz discovered the Mersenne primes 2^4253 - 1 and 2^4423 - 1 in 1961. (i) Were these the first two 1000+ digit primes discovered? Yes. See http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/notes/by_year.html#table2 (ii) If that

Re: Mersenne: Benchmarks / Reference Machine / Calculations

2002-08-20 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 08:57, Paul Leyland wrote: Anyone else here old enough to remember Meaningless Indicators of Processor Speeds? Oh yes. My first boss used to rate CPUs in Atlas power All gigaflops are not created equal, unfortunately. Wordlength alone can make a big

Re: Mersenne: Benchmarks / Reference Machine / Calculations

2002-08-19 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 18 August 2002 17:59, Jeff Woods wrote: 21000 of the 31000 participating machines are P-III or better. Less than 2,000 true Pentium-class machines remain in the mix. George et. al.: Could it be time to change the baseline reference machine away from the Pentium-90, and wipe the

Re: Mersenne: Two bugs in Prime95 v21.4.1

2002-07-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 10:25, Paul Leyland wrote: George, I think I've found two bugs in Prime95 or, at least, serious misfeatures. I don't know whether they've been fixed in more recent releases but as I'm using the program in a rather creative manner I suspect not. The Mersenne list is

Re: Mersenne: Roundoff errors

2002-07-22 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 22 July 2002 16:55, you wrote: Thank you and everyone else, both on- and off-list, for your helpful suggestions. I took the cover off and had a look. The HSF looked like the inside of an old vacuum cleaner, so I used a new one on it. :-) The fan speed is now back up to 4600,

Re: Mersenne: Extrange assignament

2002-07-11 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 11 July 2002 00:00, you wrote: Yesterday, Primenete did assigned to one of the computers that I manage, a exponent in the 8 million rank, for first test, not for doublecheck. But in the Status page, this rank is complete for first test ... How is it possible? The factorization

Re: Mersenne: Prime95 21.4.1 miscomputation of completion date--my setup or bug?

2002-07-11 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 10 July 2002 22:38, Gerry Snyder wrote: I am puzzled. I am running two copies of prime95 (one with no options, one with -A1) on a dual 1 GHz P3 computer under Windows 2K. One is factoring, and the other is doing an LL test of an exponent in the 15,xxx,xxx range. The torture test

Re: Mersenne: Damage done by overclocked machines

2002-07-11 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 11 July 2002 03:43, George Pantazopoulos wrote: Hey all, If an overclocked machine is producing erroneous results, how much harm does it to the project as a whole? Can it miss the next Mersenne prime? Will the rest of the group assume that there is officially no Mersenne

Re: Re: Mersenne: Slow Pentium 4 question - status report

2002-06-15 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 13 June 2002 23:56, Bockhorst, Roland P HQISEC wrote: Gentlemen; Thank you for your help. My P4 is successfully working on its second 15,000,000 range number. The first number was found to be not prime in about three months full time. It should have taken a month, hence this

Re: Mersenne: Slow Pentium 4 question - status report

2002-06-14 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, Check out http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/25085.html Microsoft do seem to chop change as to some of the more ridiculous extensions of what their EULA actually says. Some of us are just happier to sidestep the issue altogether. My employer's policy is to permanently remove

Re: Mersenne: P-1 Puzzle

2002-06-09 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Sunday 09 June 2002 08:22, Daran wrote: I'm currently concentrating exclusively on P-1 work. The primenet server doesn't support this as a dedicated work type, so my procedure is to reserve some DC exponants, imediately unreserve any which have the P-1 bit already set, P-1 test the rest,

Re: Mersenne: Quicker Multiplying ?

2002-05-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 02:43, you wrote: 6 is -2 mod 8 6*6 = 36 36 = -4 mod 8 2^2 = 4 if the mod of the represented as a negative is much less than the positive, could we square the negative and save some time ? Sure we could. However on average we would save 1 bit 25% of the time, 2

Re: Mersenne: Roundoff Checking

2002-05-26 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 25 May 2002 22:19, you wrote: I noticed that v22.2 and v22.3 automatically do roundoff checking every iteration for any exponent close enough to the FFT limit. Is there any reason to be concerned about the possibility of roundoff error for CPUs that aren't P4s? I don't think

Re: Mersenne: This supercomputer is cool

2002-05-22 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 21 May 2002 16:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/05/21/supercomputing.future.idg/index .htm l The theme of reducing transistor count without sacrificing much performance is an interesting one. This is indeed interesting. The problem seems to be

Re: Mersenne: electrical energy needed to run a LL-Test?

2002-04-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 27 April 2002 22:11, you wrote: Better still, switch the monitor off when you're not using it :-) Sure. At least get it to switch to standby mode when not required. The problem with switching the monitor off with its own power switch is that you may be asking for problems, as

Re: Mersenne: electrical energy needed to run a LL-Test?

2002-04-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 27 April 2002 21:26, Paul Leyland wrote: [... snip ...] They are still doing sterling service as fan heaters to keep my study warm (it's not easy living at a latitude of 52 degrees north ;-) and happen to factor integers by ECM while doing so.My 21-inch Hitachi monitor cost

Re: Mersenne: electrical energy needed to run a LL-Test?

2002-04-27 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 26 April 2002 09:52, Lars Fricke wrote: Hello! I was just curious, how much electrical energy my system here needs to run a LL-Test. Even if you don't let the system run if it is not used otherwise, it seems to be quite a lot. On my P-III 933 (WIN XP), Prime95 needs about 15W

Re: Mersenne: Generalizations of Mersenne primes.

2002-04-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Ouch, HTML formatting:( On Thursday 25 April 2002 01:46, you wrote: htmldiv style='background-color:'DIVHi,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Mersenne primes are of the form 2^p-1. The usual generalization is primes of the form ((k^p)-1)/(k-1), that is repprimes in base k.

Re: Mersenne: Major slowdown need help!!

2002-04-22 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 22 April 2002 14:19, Jeff Woods wrote: [... snip ...] 2 pcs. My new system has an AMD Athalon 1400mhz processor and has been crunching the numbers in about 3 weeks or so and my per iteration time has always been around 0.098 to 0.099, Since I got my newest number (33238643), My per

Re: Mersenne: Client configuration for a Duron?

2002-03-26 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 26 March 2002 15:32, Markus Landgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What settings should I use in Prime95 on a 1 GHz Duron? Since there is no Duron in the options menu I tried Athlon, it seemed like the closest choice, but the performance I get is not quite as good as I expected

Re: Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #950

2002-03-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 25 March 2002 00:31, Bruce Leenstra wrote: Gordon writes: Now where on Earth does the figure of 210,000 computers come from?? This is the same mistake made on a previous news item: Both of them are misquoting an earlier study that determined a *Total* of 210,000 computers

Mersenne: Test Message - please ignore

2002-03-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, Sorry for wasting your time. I need to send this message to find out why some of the messages I've been sending to this list are being duplicated. Apologies... Brian Beesley _ Unsubscribe list info --

Re: Mersenne: Factors aren't just factors

2002-03-21 Thread Brian J. Beesley
Hi, I seem to remember about 3.5 years ago someone (I think it was Chris Nash) had done something similar eliminated a lot of Mersenne numbers. Is it worthwhile mounting a formal attack on the Mersenne numbers between 20 million say 40 million using this technique? We're getting quite close

Re: Mersenne: mprime, linux and 2 MB pages

2002-03-19 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 10:09, Nick Craig-Wood wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:12:48PM +, Brian J. Beesley wrote: If the active data is already memory resident, TLB thrashing is not going to be an issue. The TLB (translation lookaside buffer) has very little to do

Re: Mersenne: mprime, linux and 2 MB pages

2002-03-18 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Monday 18 March 2002 10:21, Nick Craig-Wood wrote: There has been some discussion on the linux kernel mailing list about providing 2 MB pages (instead of 4kB ones) to user space for the use of database or scientific calculations. It seems to me that prime95/mprime would benefit from this

Re: Mersenne: Mersenne primes

2002-03-13 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 00:52, danny fleming wrote: I saw recently a method of locating a Mersenne Prime. Please tell us more! We'd all like to know of any better (less computationally expensive) method than computing the Lucas-Lehmer sequence for those Mersenne numbers which cannot be

Re: Mersenne: LL test efficiency

2002-03-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 06:26, Steve Harris wrote: For those of you interested in optimizing efficiency of LL testing: We are approaching first time tests of 15.30M exponents, at which point the Prime95 program will start using an 896K FFT. However, the P4-SSE2 section of the

Re: Mersenne: error: Another mprime is already running!

2002-03-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Friday 01 March 2002 00:40, Mary K. Conner wrote: At 05:17 PM 2/28/02 -0500, George Woltman wrote: mprime should only raise this error if the pid in the local.ini file and the current pid are both running mprime (actually comparing the inode values). If there are any Linux experts that

Re: Mersenne: Two L-L tests at once?

2002-03-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Thursday 28 February 2002 22:03, Guillermo Ballester Valor wrote: Hi, On Thu 28 Feb 2002 22:19, Brian J Beesley wrote: [ snip ] The difference here is that your method generates memory bus traffic at twice the rate George's method takes advantage of the fact that (with properly

Re: Mersenne: /. article

2002-02-27 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 05:07, you wrote: Well anything that can increase the speed of TF by even a wee amount is welcome by me. Unfortunately there is no impact on trial factoring. The technique suggested is an improvement requiring specialized hardware of a technique which is only

Re: Mersenne: LL test efficiency

2002-02-27 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 06:26, you wrote: For those of you interested in optimizing efficiency of LL testing: We are approaching first time tests of 15.30M exponents, at which point the Prime95 program will start using an 896K FFT. However, the P4-SSE2 section of the program will

Re: Mersenne: /. article

2002-02-27 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 19:28, Justin Valcourt wrote: Which brings up something that I just wondered about. As far as FFT operations go for LL and DC, if some crazy person who had millions to spend (ie we are talking pure theory here) to hire a chip maker, could a coprocessor be made

Re: Mersenne: P-1

2001-07-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 23 Jul 2001, at 19:13, CARLETON GARRISON wrote: The name of the game is validate - by duplication. You cannot make a case without duplicating the result. This is to safeguard against the many gremlins that can occur - faulty overclocked CPUs, etc. But the only thing that goes

Re: Mersenne: 33mio exponents

2001-07-01 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 30 Jun 2001, at 20:16, Guido Lorenzini wrote: 1st observation: the beerman's computer named SKA4 seems to work simultaneously on 4 33mio exponents, since each exponent is getting iterations: how it come? If any Cpu is best working on just one copy of prime95, even a dual cpu PC should

Re: Mersenne: Factoring on a P4 - CORRECTION

2001-06-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
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Re: Mersenne: Proth observations

2001-06-23 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 22 Jun 2001, at 13:42, Gordon Bower wrote: After seeing a post on this list a few weeks ago I decided to branch out and try a few ranges from Michael Hartley's page looking for k*2^n-1 primes. I must say there is a bit of a thrill in actually discovering a new prime every day I run the

Re: Mersenne: Factoring on a P4

2001-06-22 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 22 Jun 2001, at 13:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, I am at a loss to explain, a v21 P4 1.4 GHz factors significantely slower that a P3 v20 700MHz. Is there a reason, and solution, for this? Good question. AFAIK George has done nothing to the factoring code. You will see a

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