Hello List,
are there main masses of the following Meteorites? Coya Norte, Filomena,
Puripica, Quillagua, Rio Loa, San Martin,
Tocopilla Union.
Or are they just North Chile?
So this will happen to all the paired NWAs sooner or later.It will depend if
the Nomclat will throw away the paired
Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch both make pairing statements
and are concerned about them.
I was not aware that these two scientists had problems
with the way the met society ran their naming system
or how meteorite scientists world wide were reporting
their classifications and meteorite details to the
Dean,
Read the List, Tracy Latimer already mentioned the lectures before the
meteorite auction. She asked that somebody video tape them. I only heard
about this through the grapevine like everybody else. I did not arrange
anything so get your facts straight instead of jumping in with no knowledge
This was taken from Michael Blood's website:
BRIEF LECTURES AVAILABLE PRIOR TO AUCTION:
The following lectures will be given at the end of the hall
from 6PM to 7PM. Any and all are welcome. (The hall is large enough
that those not interested in the lectures, will be undisturbed and can
Good morning list.Wow, what a great thread to wake up to.I have a few main
masses,some are NW and some are USA falls.But one in particular that
stands out for me is my DEVIL PEAK.It was found by john Gilliam.TKW is
only 34 grams.I do not know what the distribution of this piece is (what
collectors
I made some internet search and found the following definition of main
mass at http://www.meteoritekit.com/glossary/
Main Mass
The Main Mass refers to the total pre-atmospheric mass of a meteoroid or
the largest known fragment of a meteorite.
thats the strangest definiton of main mass I ever
I basically endorse the below statement by John. As for how the
NomCom uses the term main mass, it is applied to the entity being
described in the writeup. These writeups in the Bulletin are very
specific about what material is to get each name. Main mass refers
back to that. If somebody
Hi Ron and All
You forgot to mention the noble gas mass spectrometer lab and the
light gas gun as well.
Here is a pic of Everett Gibson and myself in front of the electron
microsocpe that is not only currently scanning a piece of ALH84001,
but is also the one with which many of the famous
Its pure and simple misrepresentation. Illegal too. Doesn't matter if you're
selling
meteorites or licorice sticks. You have to be truthful in your descriptions to
stay
within the bounds of the law.
Gary
On 19 Jan 2006 at 19:20, Adam Hupe wrote:
Dear List,
I noticed some dealers and
Walter, I have 400 kilos of it sitting in my garage, what do you want, small
individuals? I have a whole box of them that I have seperated.
Mike
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WOW, the University of Arizona has sunk to the level of appointing a
meteorite dealer as curator of their collection?
Why not let Halliburton run the Senate?
Mike
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From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 20,
Dr Grossman,
Thanks, this is exactly what I have been saying. If you are going to give it
a different name, then you must be able to use the term main mass with the
pairing. I personally don't like the pairings being named (take for example
NWA 801. I go to Morocco often, and I go right to the
Main Mass: That´s it Ken!
One day we need a group of people, who are able to sort out all the
NWA-numbers and pairings. Like in all describing sciences, the first name,
who was given to the material should be the one and only! This was made up
for all animals and plants (and done so, since the
Why not?
That's a pretty wise decision in my eyes!
Supposedly in a meteorite dealer many abilities meet better than in any
person from the academical branch.
A meteorite dealer:
- overpeers the meteorite valley
- knows where to get from interesting material
- knows where to hunt and with which
A dealer also knows how to milk a collection dry, sell off the good things,
fill it with junk, has $$$ as a driving force, whereas the Academics have
the collection preservation as their driving force. I am not saying that all
academics are good for curators, but a dealer is driven by money,
This is the marketyour words time ago
Matteo
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
The more I think of this, the more outraged I am.
I have donated tens of thousands of $$$ of
meteorites to the UofA, and now
they have been turned over to the control of a
meteorite dealer.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:05:28 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You bring up a good point! The problem I see is that I do not believe the
term Main Mass in the listings has been truly a peer reviewed subject of
scientific interest in most cases, but rather a rubber stamp that has gone
unstudied
One of the Gods of meteoritics, H.H. Nininger was also a dealer named
curator of the Colorado Museum of Natural History. I am not saying I
agree with the UofA decision, and I understand Mike's viewpoint
entirely, but the precedent has been set. The difference here may be
the fact that
Matt, that was also a different time, Nininger was the pioneer in
meteoritics, before him, really nobody in the USA cared much for them, so
without him, meteorites would have always taken back burner. It is clear
from reading Nininger's books, which I do often, that he cared for
meteorites
And Buehler (Swiss Met Lab), old veteran collectors, harr, like me will
remember,
an highly appreciated dealer and author of the still best meteorite book in
German languague,
was a curator.
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From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Didnt he also go to jail for something?
Mike Farmer
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From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] UofA giving collection to dealer control.
And Buehler (Swiss
I do not know if the pallasite has anything to do with it, but I am
anxiously awaiting the full details of the curatorship.
Matt
Michael Farmer wrote:
Matt, that was also a different time, Nininger was the pioneer in
meteoritics, before him, really nobody in the USA cared much for them,
so
Hello listmembers
From a donated collection I unpacked an unlabelled slice of an
ordinary chondrite, with a very high quality polish. The meteorite is
crusted with an up to 5 mm thick rind of sand grains, well rounded
quartz mostly, cemented by oxides released from the meteorite. I
assume
Beda, I have seen a meteorite with a crust of sand from NWA that was some
years ago, so I dont know which one it was. It was being sold in the USA.
Of course, some Oman meteorites exhibit the same thing.
Mike Farmer
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From: Beda Hofmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Hello List,
I remember reading recently that Marvin was suspending his selling of
meteorites during his trial term as curator.
Take Care,
Jason Phillips
Rocks From Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com
Matt Morgan wrote:
I do not know if the pallasite has anything to do with it, but I am
Maybe it was here
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html
Matt
Jason Phillips wrote:
Hello Matt and List,
I wish I could find where it was that I read that, maybe someone can
give us the source. I think, meaning this could be wrong, that his
wife was going to continue to sell
What about his other employees? I assume they would have to as well...?
Matt
Jason Phillips wrote:
Hello List,
I remember reading recently that Marvin was suspending his selling of
meteorites during his trial term as curator.
Take Care,
Jason Phillips
Rocks From Heaven
Whoever sent the gorgeous picture of earth (?) being pelted with meteorites,
please resend the link. I made it my background photo, but it was
accidentally erased this morning.
Thanks!
Anita
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Yeah, and his wife is the new dealer. What a scam.
I guess Marvin will not be present in his room in Tucson then?
Something stinks here.
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From: Jason Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED];
No way,
Main Mass is the biggest piece of a Fall or Find.
Every new classification (-number) has its so called Main Mass.
When cut, the slices are FROM the Main Mass, but the MM itself will get
lost.
No more MM when cut, because MM referes to the Find or Fall,
not to hundreds of slices.
just
Hmmm Henry Augustus, wasn't he a kind of dealer too,
didn't he put the FieldsMuseum a bug in the ear to found a meteorite
collection?
Hehe, as a curator-dealer I would rather do it other way round, not to milk
the collection, but to sell them my meteorites??
Let's see pre-judgments never
At 09:22 AM 20/01/2006, you wrote:
WOW, the University of Arizona has sunk to the level of appointing a
meteorite dealer as curator of their collection?
Why not let Halliburton run the Senate?
Mike
I thought they already did !
Andre
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Dear Ken,
it does not matter,
thanks for your reply and keeping a fair friendship.
So please stay tuned (to all also) for a next challenge of a new quiz I am
preparing (maybe in
February).
I think it is a process to learn - a process I also have gone through along my
passion of
collecting
Dr. Jeff G. writes:
All articles in the supplement issue get full peer review.
Only the MetSoc abstracts do not. The MetBull is highly
peer-reviewed. The Editor and Assoc. Editors produce
writeups, and a committee of 13 scientists review each one.
Many writeups also go out for review by
Uff List,
what a discussion,
never expected that to be such an issue, as in most cases with sanity and
reason the obvious becomes evident
and if I understand right, we are argueing about, whether we are allowed to
stick a label onto a stone, where is written the very words main mass!
If this is
Hello All,
this part of the 40-page Stardust Sample Return Press Kit
( http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press_kits/stardust-return.pdf )
might be of special interest for us:
Science Objectives
The purpose of the Stardust mission is to expand the knowledge of
comets by flying a
spacecraft
Dear Meteorite-List,
Dr. Lauretta and Marvin Killgore asked me to post this message to the List.
-Dolores Hill
From: Dante Lauretta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:30 PM
To: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com'
Subject: UAz Sothwest Meteorite Center
Greetings
and this close many voices
Matteo
--- D. Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
Dear Meteorite-List,
Dr. Lauretta and Marvin Killgore asked me to post
this message to the List.
-Dolores Hill
From: Dante Lauretta
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:30 PM
Michael Blood says that his wife will be selling their meteorites. Is it me
or is that really not much difference than Marvin himself selling. How
convenient, he will be in the room where his meteorites are being sold? Or
are no meteorites going to be sold by them in Tucson?
Enquiring minds
Howdy
I think I understand the concern, and I can sum it up in two words:
sour grapes.
Marvin is an extraordinarily knowledgeable meteorite expert whom I
would gladly work with any day. UA is lucky to have him.
Cheers,
MDF
Michael Blood says that his wife will be selling their
Marc, what sour grapes would there be? Can you tell us or are you talking
out of your rear end? I don't know you, so what do you think you know about
me?
Do you find a commercial dealer being put in charge of an academic
collection not to be a conflict of interest? I now see they say he wont
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:18:52 +0100 (CET), M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
wrote:
Center. We have
established the Southwest Meteorite Center to
preserve the dwindling supply
of extraterrestrial materials for future
generations. This Center represents
What dwindling supply?
Marc, what sour grapes would there be? Can you tell us or are you talking
I don't
like it being put in the hands of another dealer.
Michael Farmer
Wow, that was easy.
MDF
Marc Fries
Postdoctoral Research Associate
Carnegie Institution of Washington
Geophysical Laboratory
5251 Broad
Hello All,
I was just going to ask anyone who lives in GA if they saw a HUGE
falling star that cam very close to earth last night at approximately
10:55 PM?. I saw it as I was getting on the 400S ramp in
Alpharetta,GA. I have never seen such a sight in my life!!. It was
VERY large and didn't
Is that concept difficult for you? You seem to be educated so I think it
made sense.
How many meteorites have you donated to the UofA?
I thought so.
Mike Farmer
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From: Marc Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 20,
For the moment you are the unique against Marvin
Killgore, no others in this list...is not strange for
you? I have know personaly the wife of Marvin in
Munich years ago, and I have find a very good person.
Matteo
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
Marc, what sour grapes would
At least everyone has to agree,
that their pictorial catalogues of specimens and thin sections
are not only highly educational, but simply the best meteorite picture books
published.
Would be great if they could do smth similar for the UAz collection.
- Original Message -
From: Marc
I guess you missed all the other emails. I am not against Marvin Killgore, I
am against a commercial dealer taking control of a University collection.
Michael Farmer
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From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent:
It's a very simple concept, actually. Marvin was given this honor and you
weren't, and now you're engaging in personal attacks and slander because
you're feeling picked on. We're wearing out the meaning of the word
simple here.
Donating meteorites to the UA collection was a very good thing. My
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
I guess you missed all the other emails. I am not
against Marvin Killgore, I
am against a commercial dealer taking control of a
University collection.
Michael Farmer
And why? You have the terror this person take all
pieces in the
Marc, you couldn't be more wrong.
Sorry you feel that way, it shows that you break things down to the most
simple factors, so anytime anyone has a problem with something, under your
terms, it means they are jealous? I would not want to be a curator. Not
interested. As a dealer and a collector,
Hi All,
Since there seems to be some controversy over the situation,
as the sponsor of the Auction hosting lectures by the U of A Southwest
Meteorite Center I thought it appropriate to share some of my perspective
on the situation and motivation for having them as guests at the auction
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/science/space/20stardust.html?ex=1295413200en=3d2b662a1d3efeacei=5088partner=rssnytemc=rss
Richard Nixon impersonation, or trying to give the bunny suits bunny ears?
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Hi All,
At the risk of spurring another another controversy
Twink Chris Monrad and Jim Kriegh will be gifting the meteorite
community at the Tucson Auction with the beautiful Gold Basin
Birthday Cake immediately following the lectures - at 7:05 PM.
This should give everyone
I would like to congratulate Marvin Kilgore on his position at U of A. I know that this is a dream come true for Marvin and I am aware that he has worked hard to develop and fill this new position. I think that it is a powerful move in the right direction for all of us in the Meteoritical
What would life be without Michael correcting one of his countless
errors.
Sorry, that should have read the cake is being graciously provided
by Twink and Larry Monrad and Jim Kriegh - though Chris will likely
be there, too.
Sorry, Larry - Michael
on 1/20/06 3:33 PM,
Dear List,
Sour grapes would sound feasable!
D Freeman
Marc Fries wrote:
Howdy
I think I understand the concern, and I can sum it up in two words:
sour grapes.
Marvin is an extraordinarily knowledgeable meteorite expert whom I
would gladly work with any day. UA is lucky to have him.
Hi Darren and All,
I met with Don Brownlee and Scott Sanford today. They are the two PIs
for Stardust. Great folks, but I had to take special precautions. One
cannot be too careful you know. Here's a pic.
http://www.geocities.com/planetwhy/scottdonme.jpg
Cheers,
Martin
On 1/20/06, Darren
http://www.escambray.cu/Eng/ScieTec/060120315.htm
Cuban Scientists Study Meteorite Fragments (01/20/06)
SANCTI SPIRITUS, Cuba- Cuban experts analyze a site
near the town of Fomento in Sancti Spiritus province,
where they have recently found clues of the impact of
an enormous meteorite with the
For those interested..
Have a look:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmaccers531QQhtZ-1
Thanks for your attention and support !
Bob E
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Some interesting, and humourous reads at slashdot about Stardust, if you
have the time...
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/20/210243
Cheers,
Pete
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