Hello Martin and Listers,
Martin I liked a couple points you brought up in this post and liked the one
about institutions and collectors..
and there STILL some curators exist who seriously state, that commercial
trade and private hunting/collecting would cause damage to science
I feel
Warren, this VAT-Value Added Tax has been a big discussion and a pain in
the EU-European Union for the past few months, especially heavily discussed
since Europeans and people in other countries are complaining more about it.
Things were bad enough shipping to Italy and their pony express
List,
I have 3 'Moss' CO3.6 carbonaceous norwegian meteorite fall pieces from
midsummer day of 2006, including the 55 gram ending in about 10 hours:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160546880463
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160546860239
OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will
render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most
stable pallasites.
Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care
of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites.
No need to
Hi MikeG and List,
Mike, can you explain a little about what Pat does in the process to
stabilize rusting meteorites. We have talked about the Reverse Electrolysis
Process on this List in the past a couple times, is this part of Pat's
method?
Thank you in advance!
Best Regards,
Greg
Thanks for the explaination Steve, I don't think we ever doubted your honesty.
Leave it to the media to blow everything out of proportion.
And I am impressed you typed all that on a Blackberry!!! :-)
Stuart McD(MrKrink)
Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote:
Steve:
I
Looks like someone was doing some target shooting out there!
Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:
We should compare notes, because I found a bowling pin:
http://www.mikestang.com/user/cimage/CoyoteDL03-122710.JPG
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Thunder Stone
Hi Greg and List,
Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics
regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I
know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members and
respected dealers - one of them a long time veteran) who have used
Pat's process
Hi MikeG,
Thanks for the info, will be contacting Pat sometime soon. While I would
never expect anyone to give up their secret processes, I had to ask since I
have used one of the processes in the past. This thread fits in perfectly
with the thread discussing the destruction of pallasites for
Should you be interested, I have some auctions ending today and can be seen
here:
http://shop.ebay.com/refamat/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=50_sop=12
Thanks
Mark Ferguson
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Steve,
If I'm correct, you're saying the deal was a flop and everyone has to take a
gig. Disclaimers like this might help divert blame in the business world but
where does this leave humble collectors with no agenda other than the desire to
pick up a few space rocks when the rare opportunity
Dear List Members,
I have 54 auctions ending today, all started at just 99 cents with reserve.
There are many good specimens currently priced at pennies on the dollar. Maybe
everybody is distracted this week but please take a look if you can find the
time.
Link to all auctions:
Hi Greg and List,
You won't regret contacting Pat. I'm not saying that Pat is some kind
of magician, but his results are almost magical.
For example, I will give an example from a fellow List-member's
experience. This person can chime in if they want, but I won't
mention the name because this
Bill, Phil, list,
It sounds like you and Phil are saying the same thing. Albeit in totally
diligent ways. I hate to say this but many of us agree with both of you.
Since Picasso, tiffany's and Lindsay Lohan are not too likely to become
partners in this venture. The venture may indeed turn out to
Wouldn't the signed contracts dictate that Steve only return 25% of
what was found? Since the agreement was 25/75 (mentioned in the
video), the issue, it seems, could be entirely settled if Steve turned
25% of the finds over to the landowners. If the money's not there, it
seems to me like that
Sounds to me like the solution is to let little kids handle your rusters with
their sweaty little hands!
Anita
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, February 22,
All:
In the video I get the sence that the landowner is mad because he was promised
a lot of money (I don't think he wants his rocks back) he just wants the money
he was promosed; whether it is right or wrong, I think that is the reason for
him being angry and going to the media. I think
most interesting thing i ever found was a clutch of dino eggs about the same
size as small chicken eggs and a partial human skeleton that dated to be about
20k years old. I notified the local police about the skeleton and they sent the
crime lab down and did a recovery. Thats the last i saw of
Greg, All,
Since the money is apparently not being made, unless you can propose
some new marketing method whereby Steve could sell all of the finds in
a reasonable amount of time, I see returning 25% of them as a fair
compromise. The impression I got from watching that video was that
the farmer
This exact circumstance Chauncey describes is similar to what happened
with Moldavite. Unscrupulous vendors took advantage of the expensive
green gems, fake green glass faceted gemstones flooded the market and
caused too much uncertainty, and now most buyers demand that moldavite
still be in the
If the deal was not completed, would it not be more respectful to return all
the material if 25% of cash can not be paid?
I personally dont think its the landowners at fault or in the wrong from what I
have read.
He offered 25% of profits, if there is no profit, why not just return the
material
A while back I asked about gem quality periodot so i could have a ring made
from a stone from the heavens for my Angel. There is a market if done right.
Unfortunately the color of the periodots or paladots women do not find
attractive. I ended up getting her a almost flawless half carat
This wasn't on a meteorite hunt, it was while my husband and I were out playing
paintball in an 'unimproved' section of Windward Oahu. Renegade fields are not
uncommon, sharing ground with hikers and pig hunters, and the players all
parked their cars at the foot of some deeply eroded areas
Hello Listers,
Over the course of a few days I had done some research on the Weston
meteorite fall and read up on Silliman's role and it could be summed up to
these few quotes
His scientific work, which was extensive, began with the examination in 1807
of the meteor that fell near
All,
By what I have read and watched, it sounds like the simple remedy of
returning 25% of the material might not be an option. It would depend on how
many of the stones have been dissolved away in the acid baths. There may not
be any stones left to return 25% of the material to the consortium
LOL! There must be something in kid sweat that retards rust! :)
On 2/22/11, Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote:
Sounds to me like the solution is to let little kids handle your rusters
with
their sweaty little hands!
Anita
From: Michael
I agree, there is no harm in admitting failure and moving on as long as an
honest effort was put into it and the intentions where right from the
beginning. In my opinion, the biggest mistake was quoting outrageous values in
the first place. A good dealer would recognize the true value and
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:50:47 -0500, you wrote:
By what I have read and watched, it sounds like the simple remedy of
returning 25% of the material might not be an option. It would depend on how
many of the stones have been dissolved away in the acid baths.
The farmer seeme pretty displeased
Greg,
I did see a huge Alpha stone in Geoff's room at the Gem show. I believe it was
the one found on the show But, if these farmers agreed to let Steve melt all of
the stones then you get what you get. One of the shows showed at least one
being melted. If there are any left mikeG's suggestion
Darren,
that was funny. We needed that.
Carl
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Meteoritemax
Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:50:47 -0500, you wrote:
By what I have read and watched, it sounds like the simple remedy of
returning 25% of the material might not be
when I went to West or ash creek the first place i went was to the local feed
mill. I talked to the farmers and talked to them about what I knew about
meteorites. I didnt give them any stories of ritches to be made. I did tell
them of the educational value for thier kids and grandkids. I also
Hello Carl and List,
I wanted to interject here that in pallasite crystals there are inclusions that
have been found only in pallasite peridot and not in earthly peridot. This is
how the GIA is able to distinguish between extraterrestrial peridot and earth
found peridot. The GIA actually gave
Why not just slice them up, flood the market with large slices to drive the
price down, that way we can ALL afford a huge slice, and give them their 25%??
If there are that many stones floating around would that not be an option??
That way people that have always wanted a nice big slice could
30 years ago, I developed a simple process for treating these rusters using
white sodium hydroxide crystals (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most
groceries), 70% rubbing alcohol and distilled water.
With it I have treated effectively meteorites up to 150 lbs.
I have sitting in my corner a
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the process you use. When I first moved to Florida I met with
some of the old time treasure hunters who shared their methods of conserving
ship wreck items (iron cannons, cannon balls, muskets, etc.) using the
Reverse Electrolysis method using Red Devil Lye or Soda Ash
I find it amazing and disheartening that a meteorite can be looked upon as no
good and almost worthless. In all my years as a collector I have never seen
this, and I think it's sad in a way, as the goal of making money has somehow
started to supersede the enjoyment of being a meteorite hunter
Greg,
Actually just using the solution will not discolor the specimen. With that
Campo it was wire brushed and some type of wax placed on it to make it look
attractive.
When the rusting began, it was real bad, blebs of FeCl3 coming out in numerous
places.
The treatment worked and the result
I purchased a 1.392g specimen of Eunice, TX which can be seen here:
http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Eunice_TX1_392g.jpg
I forgot what I paid for it.
Anyone got any ideas of what it is worth?
RSVP
Thanks, Michael
--
Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and
Hello, All;
On average, when a person is upset, they tell a minimum of 10 people.
When they are happy, they tell maybe one or two. How many of the upset
folks have family and friends in other states?
Upsetting the landowners at the Admire strewnfield, or anywhere else,
can only end up bad for
Hi all,
I am selling one Kilo of cut and etched Muonionalusta Meteorite
specimens at my cost - .50 per gram - plus shipping. I want to sell
the 1 kilo lot as one lot, but may break into two 500 gram lots or
four, 250 gram lots if necessary. I will not sell in anything less
than 250 gram lots.
Thanks Steve!
I really appreciate your information, we can all learn to preserve
meteorites from yours and other's experience!!
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original
Hi,
For a scholarly discussion of Cathryn Prince's book which covers many of the
topics below, go to www.meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com for a more focused
discussion.
Also see Prince's comment at the end of my blog by clicking on the pencil
icon at the end of the post.
As I mentioned
Ok, Judge Judy just ended, Judge Alex is on now, but I'll take a minute to post.
There are so many interesting threads on this list and one extremely boring one
filled with nothing but gossip and opinions. Well like the other thing that
everyone else has, I have an opinion too.
I see one angry
LOL! LOL! LOL!
Stuart McD
Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, Judge Judy just ended, Judge Alex is on now, but I'll take a minute to
post.
There are so many interesting threads on this list and one extremely boring
one filled with nothing but gossip and opinions. Well
Richard,
I assume you are interested so, I will try to bring you up to speed.
The law suit you refer to has little to do with the farmer that is upset in the
video.
The suit is against Steve for an alleged breech but, that has not been
discussed here. And the suit is non issue for most of us.
I read a review of this book in a UK newspaper: Incoming!
Or, Why We Should Stop Worrying and
Learn to Love The Meteorite by Ted Nield.
Isn't listed on Amazon Canada.
Reviewer claims no-one has been hurt by a meteorite. Guess he
hadn't heard of Ann
Hello Richard, All,
While the article may have been vague, and I understand that
interviews can be very misleading, the basics of what was laid out on
paper seemed apparent, and were confirmed by Steve's statements.
These were namely that the profits were to be divided in a 25/75%
fashion, with
I've gotten several private emails about my post.
To save me time answering more individually, I'll just post this and it'll be
my last comment on the subject publicly or privately .
No doubt that Steve has some issues. That isn't the point of my post.
My point is legal and contractual issues
Hello Richard and All,
There are TWO different situations Steve is involved with that I am aware
of, they are getting mixed together here because of the Kansas article.
Neither one is my business but I will try to quickly clarify for this
thread.
1) The case/lawsuit which started today in
Steve Schoner:
(Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most groceries)
I'm seeing this online:
Red Devil Lye, also known as Lewis Red Devil Lye Drain Opener, was the
trade name for a drain cleaner product sold by the manufacturer
Reckitt-Benckiser. The product has been pulled from the
Jason,
Everything you've said seems correct. I think the problem/ dilemma /
predicament Steve and co. are in is that if they return the material now then
they have even less control over the retail price. now and in the future.
Further they are not contractually required to return the material.
Don and list,
Visit you local hardware store and ask for drain opener. When they
take you to that section look them over and find one that is pure
sodium hydroxide crystals, no additives/color/detergents/scents/etc..
That is what you want to purchase. Sorry I cannot help you with any
name
I am currently reading this book, and so far it is excellent. Don't be mislead
by the title or by the reviewers (Ann Hodges is mentioned in the book), it is
smart and entertaining and filled with interesting historical facts. I'm only
on page 64 but have already had an interesting read on
Hi
I have for sale MartinStefan small mars and lunar boxes. (specimen size
around 10mg)
Im looking for someone who will buy them all from me at a purchase price.
They are absolutelly impossible to sell in Poland :D even if they was a
worldwide sale hit.
I have some boxes with alredy
Hi Mark and Listers,
Mark I did take a look at your review and your stance on Silliman's work on
the Weston meteorite to say the least is summed up by these statements
Silliman’s face must be red with embarrassmentSilliman’s accomplishments in
capturing the imagination of the public
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Well Shawn,
I'm glad you finally got around to reading my blog after my constant
suggestions that you do so.
Let me know when you work your way up to Greene and Burke. :-) Oh, and
don't forget the Woodhouse reference which I sent you too - let me know when
you've read that one also! You
a google search for lye will give you several sources/companies who provide
it for people who make their own soap. take care
susan
- Original Message -
From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
To: Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com
Cc: meteorite list
My final rant on the subject:
Happy Canyon Meteorite today:
4.4 grams= $225 @ $50 per/gm
http://www.meteoritelab.com/estore/?findid=68c=Meteorite
Price I paid in 1974 from Huss and Nininger
.60 cents per/gm. I got 24 grams at that price, $14.40 cents.
83 fold increase since 1974
Kenna
Hello Mark Listers,
My I add that I contact Prince and this is what she had to say about the matter
of your review and Silliman and Woodhouse.
Hi Shawn,
I'm so happy you introduced yourself.
Well, I do feel that . missed the point of my book, which
is, as you seem to
Hi Shawn,
I suppose Cathryn Prince could have written whatever she wanted to on my
blog, but what she wrote is what is there.
What amazes me is how what started out as an academic discussion between two
people off list has been blown to such proportions by you because you feel
you can't
If you gentlemen keep this up we can get another book. Interesting read.
Chris Spratt
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Shawn Alan wrote: I see that the first publication of any account of the
Weston meteorite fall was done on December 29, 1807 by Silliman and Kingsley
sent a preliminary description of the fall phenomena and the stones to The
Connecticut Herald, in New Haven, making the report one of the first
Speaking of these contracts with property owners, I've been told these
contracts also stop others (amateurs) from hunting same property.
IOW's if you are not named on the contract, you can't hunt that
property???
Any truth to that? Anyone have a copy of one of these contracts???
Today's hunt at
Hello all,
I'm looking for a piece of the Eva (H 5).
Anyone?
John
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Dear List,
Another large bright green fireball event for Colorado/ New Mexico:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/02/colorado-new-mexico-bright-fireball-535.html
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Hello Mike and Listers
Mike wrote
Dr. Isaac Bronson and Dr. Horace Holley
conducted the first investigation of Weston. Bronson then wrote the first
report of the event on December 19, 1807 - two days before Silliman/Kingsley
arrived on-site. This would become the first published report on
Don and Steve,
You may have already found this or gotten an answer to your question.
I Googled, (always the best way to find anything) Red Devil Lye, and it
gives several websites to buy similar products. Try these, 50 LBs of
lye-Sodium Hydroxide for $65.00 USD, or 2 LBs $5.95.
Just keep in mind that sodium hydroxide is a key ingredient in making
methamphetamine. That's why Red Devil lye is no longer available. A lot of
what is now sold as lye actually contains deliberate contaminants, and if
you try buying pure lye you might attract law enforcement notice, especially
Shawn,
Read my blog and the relationship between Adam Seybert and James Woodhouse.
Woodhouse beat out Seybert for a professorship of chemistry, and there was
bad blood between the two, and it was Seybert who was bad mouthing Woodhouse
to Silliman about Woodhouse's inability to analyze a
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