Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of USD? 7000. This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong. There are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus a

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Ted Bunch
Jeff - your statement from below Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites is misleading and somewhat biased. Meteorites of the various classes are nearly equally represented in the Antarctic and Desert

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
I can now report with some authority that the total cost of 30+ years of collecting by ANSMET has been in the range of $20 million. Considering the record of scientific achievements that has been built on this collection of 20,000 specimens, I would have to say it has been a bargain. Jeff

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Adam Hupe
...@cableone.net To: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 7:54:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Jeff - your statement from below Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Ted Bunchtbe...@cableone.net To: Jeff Grossmanjgross...@usgs.gov; Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 7:54:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Jeff - your statement from below

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Jeff and List, I agree with most of what you stated in your last post although I believe there is a real bias among a very few scientists, and certainly a few museums. Access to planetary material , Angrites and other rare material from NWA is supposed to be a simple matter of contacting

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Chladnis Heirs
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 13:46 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Make your homework

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Martin Altmann
Altmann; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Martin, Sometimes I just can't believe the ways you'll skew things to justify dealers' actions. Tell me examples for misrepresented coordinates from Oman! I've just had some off-list conversations with *several

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-19 Thread Alexander Seidel
High-grade, profound discussion apart from certain personal disagreements. There surely is more to it than what just meets the eye, regarding the bottom line. Keep on talking, guys. I am discovering valid arguments on both ends of the rope here, and can only hope that the discussion will be

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Good question Greg. I'm curious to see if you'll hear anything other than crickets in response. ;) On 1/18/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings. If a

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
I think I've answered this before, but again: Yes, it would be great if all meteorites that fell as a single shower (in a single field o'strewn) had a single name. When a meteorite is found in Kansas or Germany or Mexico, it's fairly easy to look in databases and catalogs and find all the

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Zelimir Gabelica
Hi Greg, This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman. I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as such). Let's suppose that once one (or a few) meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot (as found) and sold

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Zelimir Gabelica
Thanks very much Jeff., Your answer arrived while my post was sent. By all means it better explains the complicated situation regarding pairings than my poor trials. Zelimir At 18:01 18/01/2010, Jeff Grossman wrote: I think I've answered this before, but again: Yes, it would be great if

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Greg Catterton
zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:46 PM Hi Greg, This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman. I am also continuously

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
Zelimir brings up one more case that I didn't cover... when two names are given to the same physical stone. If the NomCom learns of this and can be sure that this is what happened, they can abolish one of the names. jeff On 2010-01-18 12:46 PM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Greg, This might

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Greg Stanley
, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100 To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hi Greg, This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman. I am also continuously puzzled

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Greg Catterton
/10, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:20 PM

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Greg Catterton
and hope others come out with just as much. Save these posts to word doc or something for future use, its good stuff. Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions To: Greg Catterton

[meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Shawn Alan
Greg and the list,   As a seller I would say its your obligation to disclose all information about that meteorite as possible. However, I recently encountered that with some meteorites being sold on eBay and the excuse of the individual was... I have been busy and its hard to keep up with new

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Zelimir Gabelica
:15 +0100 To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hi Greg, This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman. I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance of paired

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Martin Altmann
@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Greg and the list,   As a seller I would say its your obligation to disclose all information about that meteorite as possible. However, I recently encountered that with some meteorites being sold on eBay

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Greg Hupe
, January 18, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hi Shawn, at least for the lunars and Martians the pairing groups are well and completely established and easily visible for everyone for the lunaites on Randy Korotev's famous site: http

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Timothy Heitz
Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hi Greg, This might be a typical question

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Jason Utas
Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:20 PM Zelimir: So it's possible all the classifications (shown below

[meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Jim Strope
Well, I don't know if you left any out as that is not really important. However, anybody who thinks they can sit in front of their TV eyeballing meteorites that they just got in the mail from from some remote desert, and make a best guess classification will get called out by those of us who

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Martin Altmann
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 22:57 An: Greg Catterton; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hello Greg, All, This brings up a valid point - when total known weights have increased since initial reporting, I believe that dealers should be obligated to change

[meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread habibi abdelaziz
thanks martin, i would say guys , the nomade are not hunters of meteorite as a job, most of the meteorite are found accidently, that's the reality except for the falls, that we hire team to look for, just to understand what is hapenning in nwa and what is going on on the list i will say the

Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

2010-01-18 Thread Jason Utas
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions Hello Greg, All, This brings up a valid point - when total known weights have increased since initial reporting, I believe that dealers should be obligated to change their numbers.  Otherwise they are *lying* about what they're