Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread lebofsky
Hi Chris and Gary: Comets can be "hot" (actually warm) relative to the ices in them, so we are still talking about temperatures well below the melting point of water, at least at the distance of the Earth. Even though the ices, when mixed with dark material (carbon, for example) could potentially

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Chris Peterson
Sorry, but that's just crazy. A meteoritic body that strikes the ground at terminal velocity, as virtually all meteorites do, cannot be hot enough to start a fire. It doesn't matter what it's made of. And in fact, there is virtually no evidence supporting the idea that cometary bodies produce m

[meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Bernd V. Pauli
Hello Gary and List, Gary wrote: "If such a meteorite landed in the right conditions (dry grass, for instance) then a fire could be started easily." No, Gary, during the dark flight phase, a meteoroid cools sufficiently to not incite a fire. Meteorites may be hot to the touch but not hot enough

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Gary Daniels
If the meteorite is a comet fragment, then there's no reason it can't be hot enough upon impact to start a fire under the right conditions. Recent evidence has shown that some comets are hot and dry not icy and some also have gas jets on their night sides which astronomers have theorized is only po

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Chris Peterson
The first and last examples are highly speculative, and probably not examples of fires started by meteorites. Tunguska, of course, shows how fires can be started by the air burst of a _meteor_, which makes sense. But I don't know of any case where there is good evidence of a fire started by an

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Pekka Savolainen
Some meteorite in Africa, if I remember (don´t remember this hammers name) hit an oil-lamp and caused a fire ;-) best, pekka s 29.8.2012 22:56, Gary Daniels kirjoitti: The fires of 1871 (including the Great Chicago Fire) were theorized to have been started by meteorites/fragments of Comet

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-29 Thread Gary Daniels
The fires of 1871 (including the Great Chicago Fire) were theorized to have been started by meteorites/fragments of Comet Biela: http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/08232004.htm And, of course, the Tunguska air burst set 800 sq miles of forest on fire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungusk

[meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
That's like saying guilty by association or proximity. If you're walking by a crime scene as the crime is in progress, this in no way implies you're a suspect. It's a coincidence. Same with the suspected super bolide fires. Just because fires start during a bolide sighting, it in no way implies

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Peterson
There is NO suspicion at all that any Colorado fires were connected with meteors. During one fire, controllers rather foolishly grounded the fire fighting planes after witnesses reported a daytime fireball over the eastern part of the state. That's the extent of it. Everything else is media con

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread John Lutzon
Now- those are good questions. I vote yes to both---? John - Original Message - From: "Ed Deckert" To: ; "Randy Korotev" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible? Perhaps these are dumbque

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread Ed Deckert
27, 2012 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible? Here's a discussion you might want to read. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/1882.pdf Randy Korotev At 02:52 PM 2012-08-27 Monday, you wrote: Hello all, Â I am investigating a case

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread Gary Daniels
The recent fires in Colorado are thought to have been started by a meteor: http://www.ksby.com/news/meteor-may-have-started-latest-blaze-in-colorado/ The air tankers responding to these fires were also grounded by meteor sightings: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20903873/meteors-trip-

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread Randy Korotev
Here's a discussion you might want to read. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/1882.pdf Randy Korotev At 02:52 PM 2012-08-27 Monday, you wrote: Hello all, Â I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area. Witness

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread James Beauchamp
Got really familiar with them in Iraq. Warsaw 120 rockets :( Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 2:52 PM, André Moutinho wrote: > Hello all, > > I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from the > sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area. > Witnesses heared a loud

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread dorifry
Or if it hit a piece of flint. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum - Original Message - From: "Chris Peterson" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible? I've never heard a cr

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread Chris Peterson
I've never heard a credible account of a fire started by a meteorite fall, and on theoretical grounds, there's no reason we would ever expect a meteorite to be hot enough to start a fire. Of course, that doesn't discount a secondary effect, such as a meteorite causing a fire by puncturing a pro

Re: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread dorifry
No, it's never happened, it's impossible. I wish people would stop saying it. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum - Original Message - From: "André Moutinho" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fire caused by met

[meteorite-list] Fire caused by meteorites.. Is it possible?

2012-08-27 Thread André Moutinho
Hello all,   I am investigating a case here in Brazil where something has fallen from the sky and caused fire on a 500 m2 area. Witnesses heared a loud buzz and soon noticed smoke and fire on a nearby mountain. Some work have been done on the local by the fire department and nothing was found rel