To all the hairless monkeys who arent
arguing about the moon :
Are there any labs or museums (wherever
they may be) that will classify a meteorite, in exchange for a part of it as a
donation? Or work on a non-profit basis? The local museum is too busy with
meteorites in the queue
Greetings List members,
I have been reading this thread from the beginning and would like to give my
thoughts.
Sure, I believe that a higher being created the universe and everything in
it but why couldn't the creator set the laws of physical science (physics,
chem. geology etc.) into motion
The meteorite lab of the Berlin Museum of Natural History classifies meteorites without charge in exchange for a 20g sample. I've made best experience working with them. They are actuallylightning fast compared with other labs who are often working with the velocity of a shifting sand dune.
Hello list,
what do you think of this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2183165421category=3239
Peter
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Hi Ron,
From what I have read in descriptions so far, it would actually seem to me
that this was one bright fireball apparition, not a meteor shower. The
report about colored streaks of light actually is not clear as to whether
observers saw multiple meteors, or that it concerns multiple
Good morning list.I was wondering if anyone has heard of an iron meteorite
called, MEKONG RIVER?It says that it one of 4 meteorites that has fallen
in thailand.I went to anne blacks book, A to Z, and only lists 3
meteorites.Can someone please help be out, before I bid on this.
The simple difference between science and religion is this:
Science, when faced with conflicting evidence, must abandon or modify existing theory.
Additionally, when there is no falsifiable method to test a theory, no statement from
science can be made.
Religion is not bound by these
They throw a lot of words and non relevant history around. I come from
near that area, and there were no missionaries there, and the only
Cubans were those involved with rebels in Angola during the South
African bush war, for control of parts of the then protectorate South
West Africa (150 years
It doesnt exist Steve, scam city.
Mike Farmer
I have been to the Mekong River, it is huge, bigger than the mississipi, no
meteorite that falls in there will be recovered.
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From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 11,
http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/7105099p-8037410c.html
News photographer nabs rare shot of meteor on video
By Louis Galvan
The Fresno Bee
July 11, 2003
No, it wasn't a bottle rocket left over from the Fourth of July. And,
nope, no matter what your know-it-all brother-in-law said, it
I want to thank everyone who emailed me about that MEKONG piece.The bid
button never got pushed.Another thing that got me thinking was, for $31,
they were trying to sell a 662 gram iron piece.My goodness, even nantan is
worth more than they are trying to sell this piece for.Thanks again to
all.
This is for the people who have any thought on bidding on these mekong
pieces.The one piece is 686 grams, item # 2182429606.The other piece is
709 grams, item # 2182429899.So please beware. These are fake meteorites.
steve
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Steve
Mike wrote:
It doesnt exist Steve, Mike Farmer
The only iron from over there that comes from anywhere near
that place is Ban Rong Du, an ungrouped iron. A 16.7 kg iron
meteorite was collected from the bottom of a 110 cm deep
hole in sandy soil (Met. Bull. 82, 1998).
Regards,
Bernd
To:
Hi Steve,
I was just going to mail about Ban Rong
Du ungrouped iron when I noted that Bernd already had pointed this out. Want
to ad that though from Thailand, it did not fell anywhere near the Mekong
river (wrong part of the country). So with Mike I fear this mekong iron
you
mention might be a
Hilist.
Stephen Hawking says that the beginning of time does not preclude a creator. Still, I don't remember him going on about Jesus Christ being the way to heaven, or A. C. Baktividanta Swami Prabhupada being the true almighty representative of the lord for mankind.
I wonder if meteorites ever
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of the Moon God
Ari kindly wrote:
The bottom line is that religion boils down to faith, a word that does not enter the scientific dictionary.
Let's keep the witnessing to that of meteorites.
Hi Ari and All,
Meteorites (as with comets) are intertwined
Hello List,
I was hoping this thread would die quickly and quietly after Geoff's
post. However, it seems it (the thread) is determined to hold on to life
with a death grip and continue to gasp for air one weak breath at a time.
Since it's Friday and the traffic on this list is slow, I'll offer
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
July 7-11, 2003
o Platy Flows (Released 7 July 2003)
http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20030707a.html
o Destination: Meridiani (Released 8 July 2003)
http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20030708a.html
o Gigas Meets Ulysses (Released 9 July 2003)
Hello List, I just want to add some thing to all this. I am a Christian, I
believe God created the universe! That is not to say I don't believe in
Science, I think science is as real as God. I think the Big Bang theory is
true, I just believe the Big Bang was caused by God when he was creating the
Since people are talking about god and the Moon,
maybe someone might be able to satisfy my curiosity
about a story that I saw dramatized on Death Valley
Days when I was a kid. The story was about a
widower in a village in the western United States,
possibly Utah, during the 1800's whose
Don't you just hate when you get put on the spot like that? Doesn't matter
how much you love them.
Thats why meteorites are so cool, they don't ask questions, just keep them
in a good environment and they last a long time without changing.
Mark
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From: John Gwilliam
In the latest issue of Eos (American
Geophysical Union), there is a detailed
article about about fireballs (bolides)
seen all across Alabama on Dec. 5, 1999.
It is:
King, D. T., and Petruny, L. W., 2003,
The Trans-Alabama Superbolide of 5
December 1999.Eos, vol.84, no. 27,
p. 253, 257 (July
Tom wrote:
I do not believe the moon was made by a asteroid impact on the
earth.
What, specifically, about this theory bothers you?
I would first stand by the theory that it was caught up in our
gravity.
While this is a ~possible~ scenario, you have to understand how
extremely unlikely
Submitted for your approval. A boy dreams of the stars, learning one day that meteorites could be bought he sets out to buy one. But only a small one as he in not wealthy enough to own a large specimen. Still he dreams and believes that one day he will own one. One day while browsing an out of
Please people. This is NOT THE PLACE, end of story.
Please keep this about meteorites.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Origin of the
Moon God and
Thanks Steve,
Appreciated,let me know when you are ready.
Regards
Ken O'Neill
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From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 July 2003 17:59
To: Ken O'Neill
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites
Hi ken.I just got my cd
Hello Robert and list, My understanding of planet formation in a nutshell is
that debris orbiting the Sun gradually merged and formed planets. Right?
Why couldn't two bodies have formed from the same debris in the same
orbit and orbiting around the sun together in the same direction and the
Religion and meteoritesfanatics unite!
Ok lets get back on topic. Big rock fall out of sky into desert. Gets attributed to Abraham. Local tribes make this a shrine and tourist attraction for traveling caravans. Gets into war with neighboring tribe. Eventual peace agreement required everyone pray
I have a problem with that Sun and Moon being created on the fourthe day thing.
Whom would you rather trust for the age of the universe. Evidents extracted fromrocks and stars "made by God" or the recopied text of shepards and dogmatic scholars a few hundred years ago.
What seems more
Howard, the Bible says that to God a day is not 24 hours. A day to God could
be one Billion years. I believe the scientific age of the earth! I do not
believe for a second that the Sun and the Moon were made on the forth day
with a 24 hour day. : )
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier
The proudest member of
Hi List,
Would there be anything in the geological comparison between Earth and Moon
that would lean toward the capture rather than same debris theory or
vice versa ?
Regards
Ken O'Neill
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James
Huh? Wasting band width? That what you are saying?
DF
Mark Miconi wrote:
This thread will not die due to CPR - Can't Put it to Rest. If everyone
would not chime in it will die.
Mark M.
Phoenix AZ
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From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ari machiz [EMAIL
Greetings Everyone;
Here's a refresher on the List's policies:
General List Policies
1. Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites
2. Be courteous and professional at all times
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4. Please include the 'subject' of the post
Hi Steve and Ken,
Your really should have keep this off the list! Softward Piracy is a private matter. A little bit can be ignored,let's not go wholesale with this.Whilehelping "ourselves" we are injuring the author's intent who we all own agreat deal.
For all others, please realize I sent
Dear List Members,
Some good references on the theory of how the moon was created can be found
in the Lunar Mineralogy book offered by ScienceMall USA.
Our website briefly discusses this at:
http://lunarrock.com/Extraterrestrial.asp?m=2
We believe everybody is entitled their beliefs. The
In a message dated 7/11/03 11:16:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's sort of like this. My wife, who is a business professional, usually
comes home from a day of shopping and drags me up to the bedroom to see the
new clothes she had bought. Invariably, she will put on
Howard,
I certainly would not advocate software piracy and I did not expect a
pirated copy or such like from Steve. My use of the word copy was sloppy as
it could have been and was interpeted by you as an illegal copy. The use
of the word copy was the same as if I went into say a book shop and
Hello Ken And list, If the moon was made by the giant impact theory, it
would make the chemical make up of the two very similar, wouldn't it?
If the moon was made by the same debris theory it would make the chemical
make up of the two very similar, wouldn't it?
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier
The
Hi Tom list
I would expect so. Could a difference occur if through a giant impact as
there would be extra mass in the debris from the impact object. Would more
of that impact object mass go toward the make up of the moon ?
Regards
Ken O'Neill
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Dear List Members,
We appreciate all of the suggestions regarding the renaming of the
OlivineDiogenite group. During this process we learned a great deal about
this subject. Some of the things we learned are that names are adopted,
only come to be recognized with usage, a consensus should be
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From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory
Dear Tom and List,
The chemical makeup is very similar between the Moon and the Earth.
Remember
ART, if you see my email, please email me back off list.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] From the Admin: Keeping Posts On-Topic
Greetings Everyone;
Here's a refresher on the
pekka wrote;
Well, I don´t see, why a scientist can´t belive in God or in a god or
just in a creator, in fact, to me, the name doesn´t matter. Then
there are scientists, who have made the science as their god, but
I think, they are a bit blind, this "god" corrects itself daily, and if
we think
Hi Adam,
This classification issue reminds me what became of Tim McCoys new HH classification for Burwell?
Howard WuAdam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear List Members,We appreciate all of the suggestions regarding the renaming of the"OlivineDiogenite" group. During this process we learned a
While this sounds good. It is very hard for two bodies to capture each other due to laws of celestial mechanic of Newton. Conservation of energyrequires a third body to take away excess energy from the system. This is a simplified explaination before you realphysicists jump in.
Howard WuTom aka
Adam,
The naming logic seems reasonable.
However, does this mean we could one day have an olivine-rich Diogenite that
is not an Olivine Diogenite?
Without getting into to much detail, what general criteria will it take to be
called an Olivine Diogenite?
Regards,
John
Dear List Members,
I may miss out on some fascinating discussions, but from now on, any thread
that I perceive as having drifted significantly into the
religion/philosophy/non-science area is going straight into my recycle bin.
I LIKE reading about science, specifically astronomy and meteorites, in this
group,
Dear John and List Members,
There is not much to worry about as far as confusing a real Olivine
Diogenite with a standard Diogenite if this is what you are asking. A real
Olivine Diogenite is a Harzburgitic Peridotite not an Orthopyroxenite so any
scientists should be able to distinguish between
At 10:19 PM 7/11/2003 +0100, Ken O'Neill wrote:
Hi List,
Would there be anything in the geological comparison between Earth and Moon
that would lean toward the capture rather than same debris theory or
vice versa ?
Regards
Ken O'Neill
Just quickly ( I haven't read all the responses so
Thanks God or meteorites or whatever you belive in.
Tucson has the first storm of our very late monsoon season. The fire on Mount
Lemmon (3 weeks burning and destoryed 86,000 acres and almost 350 homes) got
rained on some today.
Mike Farmer
Hello List, Does any one know the estimated time of the creation of the
asteroid belt? From what I understand, the theory is, that it was once a
planet that was destroyed by a collision? I am wondering if the moon, how
ever it was formed could be a result of the asteroid belts collision?
Thanks,
Adam and Greg,
Thank you for the response and congratulations on being part of making
meteorite history. Sorry if I seem to be trying gum up the works. I do that
more than I should sometimes. I'll continue this discussion with one more set
of thoughts.
My personal obsession (as a novice) with
Hello, Tom and the list,
at the moment it looks to me, the theory, that the asteroid belt was
formed from the material left over, when our solar system was
formed, is more recent. The former theory of the missing planet
was thought accoriding the Bode´s law. This law stated that the
distances of
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at the moment it looks to me, the theory, that the asteroid belt was formed from the material left over, when our solar system was formed, is more recent.
But if it's truly "left over", how do you account for
Hey all,
I noticed this auction for a Santa Catharina individual. Anyone have an
opinion on this one? Don't know the seller either.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2182802717category=32
39rd=1
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteoritesaustralia.com
Dear John and List,
These are the very points scientists are working on. Fortunately all of the
current Olivine Diogenites are fairly rich in Olivine and differ noticeable
from the rest of the HEDO group. The FeO/MnO ratios differ from that of
Diogenites, as well. They are heterogeneous
In a message dated 7/11/03 7:23:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But if it's truly "left over", how do you account for iron meteorites, which are (generally?) assumed to be the cores of these "missing" planetsleftover random junk wouldn't have formed to the mass to
In a message dated 7/11/03 9:39:17 PM Central Daylight Time, GeoZay writes:
magnetic field of the proto-sun, generating heat high enough to melt the iron planetesimals in the regions of roughly Mercury out to earth
But the asteroid belt is beyond the earth...so how did that material suddenly
Well, if we think the bigger ones of the asteroids (maybe 40.000 - 50.000
alltogether), like Ceres, Pallas, Juno or Vesta etc, we can call them as
"small
planets", if we want, there is not an "exact" mean for this word. When Pluto
was found, scientists argued, was it a planet or not, and then
The orbital-system in asteroid belt is quite complicated, several "families"
have clear orbits and so on. The biggest quilty for the changes of the
orbits of the asteroids may be Jupiter, wich is a big planet with very high
gravitation, so it can easily change the orbits of the asteroids /
Hello List, Jeff asked: I noticed this auction for a Santa Catharina individual. Anyone have anopinion on this one? Don't know the seller either.http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2182802717category=3239rd=1It looks real, and it looks coated. About 1/2 of the Santa Catharina
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But the asteroid belt is beyond the earth...so how did that material suddenly move MANY millions of miles away from the supposed inner orbit?
Actually I don't know how far out the material was when it was
Hi List, I am trying to build a lunar rock picture collection. If any of you
would be so kind as to send me pictures of lunar rocks and there names, it
would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
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