What looks bad for the object being an aircraft:
I have 2k hours in Lockheed P2/P3 ASW
aircraft flight time under my belt from service 1969 to 1977, and I have seen
all types of contrails, flying under, over, around and even through them.
Never, have I seen one like this. This, of
Hi,
I just want to address one aspect of the current controversy over
the Wales photo. Namely, the notion that a spectacular and brilliant
fireball MUST be observed by a large number of people, that this is a
necessary part of an observation for it to be accepted as a meteor.
Multiple reports
Hi All,
Okay, I've spent quite a few hours playing around with trajectory
solutions based on the two images (the original higher-zoom image
taken from Pencoed and the second wide-field shot taken from
Porthcawl). While it would be nice to have the exact coordinates
of the two observers, and some
Excellent analysis!. Do you have a ballpark altitude of the head? do you
think it may have been 6 km ?
Thanks
CharlyV
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Robert
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Hello Everyone,
Among the almost daily offersfrom off-list
individuals selling meteorites, I received the following request for
information. Does anyone know anything about this:
I was visiting
the Odessa Crater recently and itsparked conversation. I could swear that in
1996-7-8 Iheard
It should be nice to have the exact coordinates and the direction of
the camera, when the pic was taken. If there is some in UK, who
has a possibility to find the boy, that shouldn´t be impossible.
Someone familiar with these things should go to the place the pic was
taken with the boy and ask him
Bjorn,
A good scientist (and I do hope I am a good scientist) should be willing to
reconsider things if new evidence suggests so. In this case, following the
publication of the pictures, some good alternatives were presented, some
things didn't seem to fit, and now there's a second picture
Would the photographers have necessarily gone back to note if the train
was
twisting, as bolide trails usually do? If they had no experience (as
seems likely) with residual smoke trains from meteors, it might not have
struck them as important to note or document.
Tracy,
Jonathan Burnett
Hi Walter and list,
no, this certainly belongs to the realm of myths and legends.
The largest stone meteorite ever recovered in Germany is Benthullen
(17.25 kg), and in terms of total mass recovered, the largest iron is
Steinbach with approximately 98 kg (not a single individual), followed
by
I could swear that in 1996-7-8 I heard that a meteorite hit
somewhere in Germany and that it measured 6 or 16 or
60 feet in diameter. Can you confirm this? Why didn't it
get more pub?
Hello Walter and List,
There was an unidentified flying object in the early morning
hours of Sept. 23, 1986.
Many thanks to Bernd and Alexander for quick ad informative responses to
this question.
-Walter
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www.branchmeteorites.com
Walter Branch, Ph.D.
Branch Meteorites
PO Box 60492
Savannah, GA 31420
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Hi Thomas,
Well said!
I remember my most prized "marble" from my
childhood was a "steel boulder" I found. I used to literally break
everyone else's marbles with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the
neighborhood. It was many years later when I learned that my "steel
boulder" was
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Even if the first 2 shots were taken almost directly under the objects head, it most likely is no more than 6 km in altitude.
If the object that made the trail was a meteor, then apparently it never reached
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Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: MORE METEORITES FOR SALE..UPDATED NEW
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Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003
Good morning list.Just a reminder that I have around 20 auctions ending in
about 6 hours ,chicago time.Alot still have no bids,lots of good stuff.
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(At 6:15pm BST, the sun was at elevation 7.8 degrees,
azimuth 259.5 as viewed from Porthcawl.)
Rob,
This must be a mistake. The Pencoed image was taken at 7 pm (summer time) as
reported in the press (e.g. The Times, 3 October 2003,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-839554,00.html),
Hi Marco and List,
Earlier I wrote, in part:
(At 6:15pm BST, the sun was at elevation 7.8 degrees,
azimuth 259.5 as viewed from Porthcawl.)
Marco replied:
This must be a mistake. The Pencoed image was taken at 7 pm (summer
time) as reported in the press (e.g. The Times, 3 October 2003,
Hello All, I have never seen an aircraft contrail that suddenly grew in
diameter. If this was an aircraft contrail would it not be the same size as
the rest of the contrail? And I still do not think a contrail would end so
abruptly. Would the aircraft not still be in the pic?
Thanks, Tom
Gentlemen and list members,
The on-going dialogue of this incident is why this List exists...thanks
for sharing.
All the best,
Greg Redfern
2003 JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html
International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781
Dear Rob,
I might make some error of thought (and please note that I am very happy
with your trajectory angle reconstructions! That is good work that helps to
crack the case!), but I do not quite follow your argument about the angles
(which might however be my mind putting me off only). To me, it
Hi All,
Okay, I think I can finally close the book on this Wales event,
at least to my satisfaction. I've got a solution (actually
a family of solutions) that within the uncertainties of the
camera pointing knowledge/orientation and the observer locations
points to an aircraft contrail at an
Rob, Marco List,
I haven't had time to write anything today.
But I'm managed to read trough 99% of the posting on this subject.
Marco comments that the trail behind the head should be sunlit since
it must be higher in the sky. Some points why it might still not
appear sunlit:
a) As the trail is
Hi Bjørn and List,
Just a few comments in response to some of your questions/remarks:
Marco comments that the trail behind the head should be sunlit since
it must be higher in the sky. Some points why it might still not
appear sunlit:
a) As the trail is further east, the sun sets earlier is
Hello List,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have changed my web site around
and added many new pieces and a collection page. I hope everyone enjoys the
web site.
New pieces:
Glen Rose, Texas- Full slice and only found in one other private collection.
NWA 1929- New Rare type of
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