Re: [meteorite-list] Metal Object Crashes Through New Jersey Home
Why do we keep speaking of fusion crust on iron meteorites? Eman WNBC-TV here in N.Y. showed a clip of the rock yesterday, no fusion crust that I could see. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seen IMCA control the not honest dealers or buyers
Number 1: I believe this is an issue between YOU and EBAY in accordance with the Ebay standard practice and terms of service agreement. Number 2: ... It is too overwhelming to put into words so this will have to suffice. Where do you get off complaining about a lack of honesty and integrity? Frankly, it stretches all credibility and suggest that you live in a different reality. I surmise that some folks here hope that not only did they not pay but that you already shipped the items--to Nigeria! Number 3: Perhaps you should devote your time to other things other than whine on this list. Why don't you form your own group:The MM Bitch-0-gram ? Eman --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you not block this person on ebay with ID alfredos78, he have bid my auctions for a value of $900 and never have pay. Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - January 06, 2007
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
- Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, When I say more than a few seconds for fireballs, I do mean less than a minute, as IN COMPARISSON to man made space debris; Of course, there are fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is possible to last this long. Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky. Luminous trails produced by man made space junk, are notoriously, SLOW moving objects - as compared to the average meteor. The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only seconds (in this instance, by seconds, I mean less than 1 min.). Most visual observers, with some experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed. José Campos PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 01h15 AM. - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi José- Fireballs can certainly be visible for more than a few seconds. This one: http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20061001.html was visible for at least 45 seconds. I've recorded several others that were at least 15 seconds long. People under the central part of the Peekskill path saw it for about 30 seconds. The Grand Teton fireball was about 30 seconds. Tagish Lake produced a fireball at least 15 seconds long. Reentering space debris is not necessarily traveling at a much lower speed than natural meteors. An object decaying from low Earth orbit (which would seem to describe all space junk) has a speed of about 8 km/s, and a slow meteor has a speed of about 11 km/s. Of course, most meteors will be faster (up to 71 km/s), but the famous slow fireballs have very similar characteristics to decaying space junk- low speed and shallow entry angles- and may similarly be seen for many seconds. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Gary, By space debris, I meant several pieces of a MAN MADE spacecraft, desintegrating thru the Earth's atmosphere. Sorry about the confusion. As regarding time, a meteor's visibility lasts only a few seconds, whereas for man made space debris, as it travells at a much slower speed, it's burning trail becomes visible for a few minutes. The video shown on CNN is quite spectacular. I have seen a similar event, some 20 yrs ago (?), at night, over the Indian Ocean, when I was walking with friends on the beac front in Durban, South Africa. This event was seen by many people. The next day, it was reported on south african newspapers and TV. The visibility of a meteor, even a -14 mag fireball, (that is as bright as the full moon), will not last longer than a few seconds, at most. José Campos __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2828 - most crazy specimen
Hello list When I was in Morocco last june, I have found in one place strange thing. This looked like slag, but from the other side it was a little similar to material that I have seen on one other dealer (this white part) Now Im sure it was a meteorite and part of this EL3 find. But heh, they was the most crazy looking samples I have ever seen And this was very strong magnetic on red part and nearly no magnetic on white part so this suggest me a slag origin or Camel's kaka at all. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa2828_a.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa2828_b.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa2828_c.jpg Hupes auction show me that this was really meteorite at all :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180071663775 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2828
Hello list.Are there any small,30 to 50 gram complete individuals forsale?I have not seen any. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2828
Hello list.Are there any small,30 to 50 gram complete individuals forsale?I have not seen any. Steve, there are NO INDIVIDUALS, it is one fragmented specimen. Use hammer to make some smaller complete full crusted specimens :P -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
Hi David, What about irons stony/irons etc? How do they fall into the new category? There are quite a few shales in collections and I'm curious if they would be considered 'relict'. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: David Weir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828 Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
They certainly should be considered relict meteorites if there is evidence that they were once meteorites, although a hunk of Canyon Diablo iron-shale would not be deserving of a separate name. jeff At 09:25 AM 1/6/2007, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi David, What about irons stony/irons etc? How do they fall into the new category? There are quite a few shales in collections and I'm curious if they would be considered 'relict'. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: David Weir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828 Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
Which meteorite is considered the smoking Gun meteorite that may have killed the dinosaurs? I know that some has been found which is mostly shale. Can't remember the name though and google did not help. US find. Cheers, tett - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828 They certainly should be considered relict meteorites if there is evidence that they were once meteorites, although a hunk of Canyon Diablo iron-shale would not be deserving of a separate name. jeff At 09:25 AM 1/6/2007, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi David, What about irons stony/irons etc? How do they fall into the new category? There are quite a few shales in collections and I'm curious if they would be considered 'relict'. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: David Weir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828 Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] smoking gun/ NWA 2828
When rob elliott was in chicago back in 2002,we were talking about LAKE MURRAY,the iron,possibly being the smoking gun.It eve says on his website about being that with a question mark. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] smoking gun/ NWA 2828
Thanks Steve! That's the one. tett - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] smoking gun/ NWA 2828 When rob elliott was in chicago back in 2002,we were talking about LAKE MURRAY,the iron,possibly being the smoking gun.It eve says on his website about being that with a question mark. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ...thank heavens for the Metlist digest...
..otherwise I would have missed this beauty!!! ...And now stop to broken me...ah yes yes, now you say to me in private you come here to broken my face...its at 5 years I am under waith... My last word on this argoument Matteo Sorry - I know I shouldn't laugh, but this was really really funny! Like a Marx Brothers movie on LSD! And yes, I do credit him with the fact that he probably speaks English better than I speak Italian - but if I could speak Italian I am sure I wouldn't spout such disjointed and surreal rubbish! Well - that's todays laugh of the day. Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Smoking Gun = Lake Murray???
Steve wrote: When Rob Elliott was in Chicago back in 2002, we were talking about LAKE MURRAY, the iron, possibly being the smoking gun. Mike T. responded: Thanks Steve! That's the one. According to Sicree et al., Lake Murray is one of the oldest or possibly the oldest paleoiron (terrestrial age = 120 m.y.), but it is not the one that killed the dinosaurs! Reference: SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121). Traces of the smoking gun may have been found in a Chicxulub drillcore - an impact breccia (suevite) only 10 mm in diameter. The authors conclude that it was possibly a carbonaceous chondrite. Reference: MORTON-BERMEA O. et al. (2003) First evidence of Chicxulub impact bolide projectile at the Yaxcopoil-I drill (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A101). Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Smoking Gun = Lake Murray???
This abstract by Frank Kyte describes what may be a relict piece of the K-T impactor. I don't know if it was formally published elsewhere. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1996LPI27..717Kamp;data_type=PDF_HIGHamp;type=PRINTERamp;filetype=.pdf jeff At 10:12 AM 1/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve wrote: When Rob Elliott was in Chicago back in 2002, we were talking about LAKE MURRAY, the iron, possibly being the smoking gun. Mike T. responded: Thanks Steve! That's the one. According to Sicree et al., Lake Murray is one of the oldest or possibly the oldest paleoiron (terrestrial age = 120 m.y.), but it is not the one that killed the dinosaurs! Reference: SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121). Traces of the smoking gun may have been found in a Chicxulub drillcore - an impact breccia (suevite) only 10 mm in diameter. The authors conclude that it was possibly a carbonaceous chondrite. Reference: MORTON-BERMEA O. et al. (2003) First evidence of Chicxulub impact bolide projectile at the Yaxcopoil-I drill (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A101). Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vesicle gases
Hullo On a more serious note, and I think I have asked this question before but I do not recall any answers - I was looking at my Mt. Taz again and checking out the vacuoles that spongify (!) the rock - so what gases were inside the rock to create the pores (like Ibitira). I can understand gases from planetary sources (same mechanism as pumice creation on Earth) but can't be certain that these gases in Taz, or Ibitira would be the same. Does freshly cut Taz have a distinctive odour? Any ideas? Any research papers? Yours, in search of knowledge, Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Michael; I hope you can read this through your shaking eyes because i know you must be scared out of your wits.Ha!This bozo must be extremely intelligent to have thought of such a money making enterprise as this.wow! far out man...Too much crack.I guess it takes all kinds.Watch your back and stay healthy for your auction in tucson.Good luck meteorite auctioneer,collector,dealer. Best Wishes;Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
My vote is meteorwrong.And a thought on the subject of the velocity of the object.If the object had enough cosmic velocity to penetrate a roof,ceiling,crack tiles and bounce to embed itself in a wall would it not have to be disengaged from a larger mass of sufficient size to retain much of its cosmic velocity until it came close to the point of disingagement of of the smaller object which entered the apartment roof.IF SO,SOMEONE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE NOTICED SUCH A LARGE OBJECT AND REPORTED IT.Food for thought. Have a great day meteoriteophiles. Best Regards;Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi José- There's no doubt that the vast majority of meteors last at most a few seconds. But there is a class of fireballs which are usually seen in the early evening, produced by low eccentricity prograde bodies. When these bodies enter at a shallow angle, they can produce fireballs that are seen for a good fraction of a minute, or even longer. Fireballs like this, while rare, are still more common than reentering space junk (especially large junk like the recent rocket body). So while it's certainly true that reentering space junk is slow compared with the average meteor, it isn't much slower than the average shallow fireball witnessed over a wide area. I think it would be very unusual for space junk to be seen for much longer than a minute by any one observer (although a three minute path is certainly possible, as it is also for a natural meteor). A piece of debris with a three minute incandescent path will be quite high, and not experiencing very high drag forces. It will have a path length of about 1200 km. That is too long for a single observer to see the entire thing. It may burn for three minutes, but few are in a position to see all of it. When I saw the video for the Colorado event, I immediately thought reentry. The low speed was certainly a part of this, but the primary indicator for me was the exact nature of the breakup. Even very fragile meteoroids don't show the same degree of fragmentation this did. That's not surprising, considering that any meteoroid is likely to be much more homogeneous than a 10 meter long collection of sheet metal, pipes, nuts and bolts! It was breaking into hundreds, maybe thousands of individual fragments- something I've never seen in any natural fireball caught on video. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, When I say more than a few seconds for fireballs, I do mean less than a minute, as IN COMPARISSON to man made space debris; Of course, there are fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is possible to last this long. Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky. Luminous trails produced by man made space junk, are notoriously, SLOW moving objects - as compared to the average meteor. The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only seconds (in this instance, by seconds, I mean less than 1 min.). Most visual observers, with some experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed. José Campos PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 01h15 AM. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ...thank heavens for the Metlist digest...
Note here, the ability to speck does not make one intelligent. :-) ha hahahaa!! Good one! From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ...thank heavens for the Metlist digest... Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:34:04 -0500 Hi Dave and all, Note here, the ability to speck does not make one intelligent. :-) I think that Matteo uses some type of translation software. --AL Dave Harris wrote: ..otherwise I would have missed this beauty!!! ...And now stop to broken me...ah yes yes, now you say to me in private you come here to broken my face...its at 5 years I am under waith... My last word on this argoument Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Share your opinion and enter to win! Please complete this survey to enter into a draw for a grand prize of $500 or one of twenty $50 cash prizes. http://www.youthographyinsiders.com/R.aspx?a=116 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions
At least you freely admit it now. Mike Farmer --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have put some fake meteorites on ebay and some italian and international minerals, for who want go here http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
This bozo must be extremely intelligent to have thought of such a money making enterprise as this. Its not entirely original, but Michael's tormentor upped the price... http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:PuN_OkyZc74J:answers.yahoo.com/rss/catq %3Fsid%3D396545448+%22in+advance+to+terminate+you%22hl=engl=plct=clnkcd= 1 I suspect though this will not be the last, as I imagine directed at individuals of a nervous disposition but not so much intelligence, it may well even work - or may have tragic consequences if the recipient believes it but cannot find the cash. There are - believe it or not - still people being caught out by the Nigerian scams, but this is WAY more harmful (as the Nigerian scams were mostly about getting your hands on somebody else's money, not saving your life). Paul Barford __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
A timely cartoon - Frank Ernest, January 6, 2007 http://www.dilbert.com/comics/franknernest/archive/ - John John Kashuba Ontario, California __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Hello Michael and List, I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and re-read it. They were the same. So Michael, I guess we better get together and eliminate this jackass first before he/she takes a hammer to our kneecaps, puts electrodes to our privates (with a splash of water for good measure) and breaks our piggy banks looking for those riches. This goofball must have gotten our email addresses from the list and I suspect other members probably received the same request for the charitable payoff, or will soon. Looking for a bigger hammer... Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam! Hay guys (and gals), Is this THE ultra scam, or what? Of course, I will be contacting the local police and FBI. If I disappear - guess it wasn't a scam! Not laughing in San Diego - Michael -- Attention , I Want you to read this message very carefully, and keep the secret with you till further notice, You have no need of knowing who i am, where am from,till i make out a space for us to see, i have being paid $ 50, 000.00 in advance to terminate you with some reasons listed to me by my employer,its one i believe you call a friend and someone you do business everyday with,i have followed you closely for days now and have seen that you are innocent of the accusetion,Do not contact the police or try to send a copy of this to them, because if you do i will know, and might be pushed to do what i have being paid to do,beside this the first time i turned out to be a betrayer in my job. Now listen,i will arrange for us to see face to face but before that i need the amount of $80,000.00,you have nothing to be afraid of,i will come to your office or home, so determine when you wish we meet,do not set any camera to cover us or set up any tape to record our conversation,my employer is in my control now,$20, 000.00 will be paid to the account i will provide for you,after our conversation,i will give you the tape that contains his request for me to terminate you, which will be enough evidence for you to take him to court(if you wish to), then the balance will be paid. You don't need my phone contact for now till am assured you are ready to comply good. NOTE:I have your whole details and will not entertain any question from you until i receive the part payment and i call you on your private phone numbers before we see. I am watching. Lucky You. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] remember
Has it really been 3 years since PROUD TOM came on the scene?And has it also been only 3 years since that famous meteorite rock group,FARIES AND THE STRUCK ONES?I am sure you all know which ones I am specking off.Please let me if I am wrong!I would have to have a broken to my face.OH well,the good ol' days.I guess some never change. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] remember
I guess some never change Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! So guessed HE, and spoke it out! Wise words - wise man! Btw: Good luck all you guys and gals in Tucson! Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page
Dear List, Just letting you know that I won't have a chance to update the Tucson Information page until next Tuesday. Also, unless you see Dates and Contact Information listed, the entries are carryovers from last year so there may be Hotel and Room # changes. http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/index.htm Sorry for the delay, Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa
Hello list.I know that there has not been alot of this meteorite to go around,but I still have a 4 gram fragment.But on ebay I see our famous italian stallion has a 6 gram slice for $450.WOW!!!Over $350 a gram.WOW!!!I traded 10 small meteorites to get my piece,and they did not even cost half of that.WOW!!!. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa
our famous italian stallion ... Steve, would you please refrain from such personal deflations of other list members' ego! I thought we did not want to start it all over again in 2007! In a private mail you told me your name was not Chicago Steve but Steve Arnold, which I respect (or at least try to). His name is Matteo, Matteo Chinellato! Thank you, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2828
128 hours... Ah ummm I believe there are several on ebay just now. --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list.Are there any small,30 to 50 gram complete individuals forsale?I have not seen any. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice Meteorite Display
Wow! a collection of 50mm meteorite spheres. You don't take the easy road! Thanks for sharing the photos. Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Relict (fossil) meteorites
In a message dated 1/6/2007 7:21:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Would Huckitta qualify? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa
Steve, WOW Get some new batteries for your calculator. Six grams selling for $450 does not equal over $350 per gram. WOW!!! Dave - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa Hello list.I know that there has not been alot of this meteorite to go around,but I still have a 4 gram fragment.But on ebay I see our famous italian stallion has a 6 gram slice for $450.WOW!!!Over $350 a gram.WOW!!!I traded 10 small meteorites to get my piece,and they did not even cost half of that.WOW!!!. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Greg wrote: I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and re-read it. They were the same. You might want to look at the 2005 Ig Noble Award for Literature at: http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/archives/2005/10/2005_ig_noble_a_1.html and The 2005 Ig Nobel Prize Winners at: http://www.improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html#ig2005 The 2005 ignoble for literature was awarded to The Internet entrepreneurs of Nigeria, for creating and then using e-mail to distribute a bold series of short stories, thus introducing millions of readers to a cast of rich characters Also, there is the Nigerian Fraud Email Gallery at: http://www.potifos.com/fraud/ Yours __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Meteorite-dealers.com now non-commercial
Hi List, I just wanted to let everyone know that meteorite-dealers.com not only will list your dealer listings for free, but has gone completely sponsor free, with the exception of some recommended reading tagged to our Amazon.com account. In an effort to be more community minded we felt that offering paid sponsorships watered down what the site is really about - helping collectors find reputable meteorite dealers and educational information about meteorites. Whether you currently have a listing or not please consider resubmitting your information as we have added the opportunity for all ebayers to have a page onsite displaying their first 10 auctions from ebay as well as a link to their complete line of ebay offerings. Plus we will link to both your email address and your website if you so choose. We also now have a field where IMCA members can add their IMSA number, to be included with your listing, showing that you are a recognized reputable dealer of authenticated meteorites. Yes, eBay does give us a small percentage of their earnings from any auction that is won by someone who clicks thru from meteorite-dealers.com - just like Amazon.com does for book sales, but we don't expect to see any real revenue from either type of linking as commission links like these are very minimally profitable. Just trying to cover a bit of our costs so we can continue to offer quality meteoric information to the public - your market. Over the next few days we will be expanding our links to other educational sites as well. My family and I feel much better personally about having a site about our hobby rather than turning it into a meaningful revenue stream as was our original intent. Gary Foote http://www.meteorite-dealers.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer story in LATimes
Is this old new? - NATION IN BRIEF / NEW JERSEY Tiny meteorite crashes into house From Times Wire Reports January 6, 2007 A mysterious object that crashed through the roof of a home and landed in the bathroom was a meteorite, experts said. No one was injured. For now, scientists are calling the dense metallic object Freehold Township after the place where it fell. The meteorite, about the size of a golf ball, weighs about 13 ounces. Geologists determined it was an iron meteorite because of its density and magnetic properties. _ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme002001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. what about lake murray? wasnt that dug out from solid limestone 100ft deep or so? _ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] spell check
on 1/4/07 7:18 PM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Syracuse fall which hit the woman [Spell check Ga not NY] Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sylacauga, not Syracuse. Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] spell check
on 1/4/07 7:18 PM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Syracuse fall which hit the woman [Spell check Ga not NY] Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sylacauga, not Syracuse. Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi Chris, Thanks for your e-mail. I fully agree with what you say. The updated ground path of the re-entering debris of the 2nd satage of the russian Soyuz SL-4 rocket on your site is most interesting. as well as, the video and the picture of this event caught by the camera at Claudbait Observatory.. May I suggest that on the map of the ground path you also plot the position of the Observatory? All the best for 2007. José Campos - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi José- There's no doubt that the vast majority of meteors last at most a few seconds. But there is a class of fireballs which are usually seen in the early evening, produced by low eccentricity prograde bodies. When these bodies enter at a shallow angle, they can produce fireballs that are seen for a good fraction of a minute, or even longer. Fireballs like this, while rare, are still more common than reentering space junk (especially large junk like the recent rocket body). So while it's certainly true that reentering space junk is slow compared with the average meteor, it isn't much slower than the average shallow fireball witnessed over a wide area. I think it would be very unusual for space junk to be seen for much longer than a minute by any one observer (although a three minute path is certainly possible, as it is also for a natural meteor). A piece of debris with a three minute incandescent path will be quite high, and not experiencing very high drag forces. It will have a path length of about 1200 km. That is too long for a single observer to see the entire thing. It may burn for three minutes, but few are in a position to see all of it. When I saw the video for the Colorado event, I immediately thought reentry. The low speed was certainly a part of this, but the primary indicator for me was the exact nature of the breakup. Even very fragile meteoroids don't show the same degree of fragmentation this did. That's not surprising, considering that any meteoroid is likely to be much more homogeneous than a 10 meter long collection of sheet metal, pipes, nuts and bolts! It was breaking into hundreds, maybe thousands of individual fragments- something I've never seen in any natural fireball caught on video. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, When I say more than a few seconds for fireballs, I do mean less than a minute, as IN COMPARISSON to man made space debris; Of course, there are fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is possible to last this long. Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky. Luminous trails produced by man made space junk, are notoriously, SLOW moving objects - as compared to the average meteor. The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only seconds (in this instance, by seconds, I mean less than 1 min.). Most visual observers, with some experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed. José Campos PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 01h15 AM. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi José- The allsky network cameras are shown on the map as little orange beacons (14 of them). Right above the word Colorado, west of Colorado Springs, there are two cameras that are very close together. Cloudbait is the northernmost one. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, Thanks for your e-mail. I fully agree with what you say. The updated ground path of the re-entering debris of the 2nd satage of the russian Soyuz SL-4 rocket on your site is most interesting. as well as, the video and the picture of this event caught by the camera at Claudbait Observatory.. May I suggest that on the map of the ground path you also plot the position of the Observatory? All the best for 2007. José Campos __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
The Sardis Stone in Georgia is also a paleo meteorite well Paleo find I believe there is a smidgen of iron within the 12-20ft(?) diameter shale ball. Elton --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about lake murray? wasnt that dug out from solid limestone 100ft deep or so? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Relict (fossil) meteorites
I was wondering about Huckitta too Anne. Wolf Creek is another one that comes to mind. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Relict (fossil) meteorites In a message dated 1/6/2007 7:21:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom wrote: Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market? Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ Would Huckitta qualify? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan Mr EMan wrote: The Sardis Stone in Georgia is also a paleo meteorite well Paleo find I believe there is a smidgen of iron within the 12-20ft(?) diameter shale ball. Elton --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about lake murray? wasnt that dug out from solid limestone 100ft deep or so? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:47:26 -0700, you wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Yeah, no kidding. I have a bunch of stuff that I got in a cheap lot on Ebay (not from any of the list members, I think) that sure looks like it should be concidered paleo to me. (For all I know, it might be paired with some of the material being discussed here). For me, though, the term I've been using for it isn't paleometeorite, but crap. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Amazing impact-melt Eucrite!
Norbert, I remember everyone oohing and ahhing over it in Ensisheim and Saint Marie. Too bad it wasnt Lunar after all, but oh well, you can't win them all. Either way, it is a stone that has it all. I put all the pieces in a box last year and seem to have filed it under LOSE because I only found them while cleaning out my collection/storage room today, in preparation for the show. Michael Farmer --- Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2910.htm Check this one out, rivers of melt just got a new posterboy of a meteorite to show. I agree, that's certainly one of the most beautiful eucrites I've ever seen, and it's even better in person. I've seen the entire stone back in 2005, and I bought one of the first full slices of this beauty, more than a year ago. I'm still very happy with that baby - you just got to love it with all the vesicles in the melt-flow! Best, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PALEO Meteorite||||Was Very Rare NWA2828
--- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic (13,000 or somewhere around that years ago - I cant remember exactly) going back to the dawn of man which is around 2.5 million years ago. Well there is dispute when the first man showed up but it certainly wasnt 110 million years ago like the Lake murrey paleo meteorite which is a Cretaceous meteorite - not a paleolithic one. Relic, which has also been used is a much better word to describe these meteorites. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PALEO Meteorite||||Was Very Rare NWA2828
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:41:40 -0800 (PST), you wrote: I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic Paleo just means old-- paleolithic is the old stone age. Also used in paleozoic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleozoic __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PALEO Meteorite||||Was Very Rare NWA2828
Hi Dean and List Dean, I do agree. Paleo-anything has an anthropomorphic connotation about it. Relic has a manmade feel to it. Fossil denotes something once extent, now dead and what we have are it's mineralized bones and traces. Prius means before, maybe that would be less of a problem. Mark Ferguson - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PALEO MeteoriteWas Very Rare NWA2828 --- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic (13,000 or somewhere around that years ago - I cant remember exactly) going back to the dawn of man which is around 2.5 million years ago. Well there is dispute when the first man showed up but it certainly wasnt 110 million years ago like the Lake murrey paleo meteorite which is a Cretaceous meteorite - not a paleolithic one. Relic, which has also been used is a much better word to describe these meteorites. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossil Meteorite NWA 2828
Hello Dean and List, The NWA 2828 abstract and my eBay description I referenced a couple days ago clearly state Fossil Meteorite is the preferred term by many scientists when it comes to NWA 2828, its pairings and other Paleo or Fossil meteorites (I agree with this term the more I understand the differences in age, etc.). As it went and goes with this most unusual meteorite (EL3 NWA 2828 and its pairings, along with other 'Fossil' meteorites), it has gone through many phases during its classification, including its old age and unique history (as we know it). Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 --- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic (13,000 or somewhere around that years ago - I cant remember exactly) going back to the dawn of man which is around 2.5 million years ago. Well there is dispute when the first man showed up but it certainly wasnt 110 million years ago like the Lake murrey paleo meteorite which is a Cretaceous meteorite - not a paleolithic one. Relic, which has also been used is a much better word to describe these meteorites. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828
Hi Mark, Dean and List, Boy, I should have started from scratch when I re-loaded my previously unsold eBay auctions of NWA 2828 Fossil EL3 meteorite. I've already corrected the TKW of 2828 and referenced pairings. Now I notice I overlooked changing Paleo to Fossil. Back to the revise button... Chalk it up to too much going on and too many changes! I hope I did not sound forward when pointing out ...my previous email with reference to the NWA 2828 abstract... If so, I apologize for any perceived aggression, it was not meant that way. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteoritelist Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PALEO MeteoriteWas Very Rare NWA2828 Hi Dean and List Dean, I do agree. Paleo-anything has an anthropomorphic connotation about it. Relic has a manmade feel to it. Fossil denotes something once extent, now dead and what we have are it's mineralized bones and traces. Prius means before, maybe that would be less of a problem. Mark Ferguson - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PALEO MeteoriteWas Very Rare NWA2828 --- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic (13,000 or somewhere around that years ago - I cant remember exactly) going back to the dawn of man which is around 2.5 million years ago. Well there is dispute when the first man showed up but it certainly wasnt 110 million years ago like the Lake murrey paleo meteorite which is a Cretaceous meteorite - not a paleolithic one. Relic, which has also been used is a much better word to describe these meteorites. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828
Hi Greg I know fossil comes from to dig or something on that order, and it's a ready choice given the popular knowledge of the word. But, in this case scientists shouldn't be overly concerned how the general public understands it, what with other terms they use to describe meteorites and rocks in general, what's one more term? There's no hard feelings about it on my part. And it sure isn't your fault. I'm just pointing out the obvious. If it's an accepted term or adopted as the case may be, you sure can use it until a change comes along. I sure don't mean to cause you any extra work either. You can never tell, they might come up with one of those humorous sounding terms like bleb. Mark Mark - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828 Hi Mark, Dean and List, Boy, I should have started from scratch when I re-loaded my previously unsold eBay auctions of NWA 2828 Fossil EL3 meteorite. I've already corrected the TKW of 2828 and referenced pairings. Now I notice I overlooked changing Paleo to Fossil. Back to the revise button... Chalk it up to too much going on and too many changes! I hope I did not sound forward when pointing out ...my previous email with reference to the NWA 2828 abstract... If so, I apologize for any perceived aggression, it was not meant that way. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteoritelist Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PALEO MeteoriteWas Very Rare NWA2828 Hi Dean and List Dean, I do agree. Paleo-anything has an anthropomorphic connotation about it. Relic has a manmade feel to it. Fossil denotes something once extent, now dead and what we have are it's mineralized bones and traces. Prius means before, maybe that would be less of a problem. Mark Ferguson - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PALEO MeteoriteWas Very Rare NWA2828 --- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long does it take to be considered paleo? All the means is old. Please shed some light on this for me... Matt Morgan I dont think that Paleo is a proper way to describe them as these meteorites are not paleolithic. Paleolithic is an era starting just before mesolithic (13,000 or somewhere around that years ago - I cant remember exactly) going back to the dawn of man which is around 2.5 million years ago. Well there is dispute when the first man showed up but it certainly wasnt 110 million years ago like the Lake murrey paleo meteorite which is a Cretaceous meteorite - not a paleolithic one. Relic, which has also been used is a much better word to describe these meteorites. Cheers DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828
Greg Hupe wrote: Hi Mark, Dean and List, Boy, I should have started from scratch when I re-loaded my previously unsold eBay auctions of NWA 2828 Fossil EL3 meteorite. I've already corrected the TKW of 2828 and referenced pairings. Now I notice I overlooked changing Paleo to Fossil. Back to the revise button... Yea, fossil may be accurate or maybe not, but why not use the broader terminology as designated by NomCom in their latest revision in which this new category is proposed? Read it here in section 1.2(c) Relict meteorites: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm#s12c This section is copied here for your convenience: c) Special provisions are made in these Guidelines for highly altered materials that may have a meteoritic origin, designated relict meteorites, which are dominantly (95%) composed of secondary minerals formed on the body on which the object was found. Examples of such material may include some types of meteorite shale, fossil meteorites, and fusion crust. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828
Hi David, Mark and List, I think the general thought and consensus for Fossil on NWA 2828 and pairings was due to the information that some of this material (mostly blue coloring) was dug up from under a layer of other differently altered material (mostly brown material). I am not a scientist, nor have I ever proclaimed to be, but this makes sense and does open the door for other classified meteorites prior to the term Fossil-Meteorite being used. I do not think Relic-Meteorite applies because it confuses the thought of Relic Chondrules/Ghost Chondrules or lack of chondrules in existing, classified meteorites. Considering terrestrial influences did not change the chondrule/non-chondrule structure of these meteorites, I feel it confuses things. Relict chondrules is an approved term that, I understand, does not apply to the overall classification name of any said meteorite. Terrestrial alteration determined the overall current naming status of these (NWA 2828, etc.), not what happened during their extraterrestrial birth, life, bombardment from other bodies and eventual voyage here, which made for such a complicated classification process of this meteorite. As I write this, I can see how quickly it becomes confusing to determine what to say, think about and write what should be determined. Pretty fun to chew through all of these thoughts and possibilities. Blame it on science, it changes all the time with new discoveries and comparison to existing classifications. I believe new Groups and Sub-Groups will be happening more often with the discovery of new meteorites and future space exploration of planets such as Mars and beyond. A lot of the Ungrouped, Anomalous and other Pigeon-Holed meteorites will have a correct and proper classification sooner than we think. Very cool in my book! Just think, a few decades ago we used to have to rely on new meteorite falls to set a new Group or Sub-Groups, but now, we have the technology to send rovers and spacecraft to sniff out the soil, gases and other scientific means to make these discoveries to compare to man's meteorite finds, whether it be by a fall or find. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another eBay Correction - Fossil NWA 2828 Greg Hupe wrote: Hi Mark, Dean and List, Boy, I should have started from scratch when I re-loaded my previously unsold eBay auctions of NWA 2828 Fossil EL3 meteorite. I've already corrected the TKW of 2828 and referenced pairings. Now I notice I overlooked changing Paleo to Fossil. Back to the revise button... Yea, fossil may be accurate or maybe not, but why not use the broader terminology as designated by NomCom in their latest revision in which this new category is proposed? Read it here in section 1.2(c) Relict meteorites: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm#s12c This section is copied here for your convenience: c) Special provisions are made in these Guidelines for highly altered materials that may have a meteoritic origin, designated relict meteorites, which are dominantly (95%) composed of secondary minerals formed on the body on which the object was found. Examples of such material may include some types of meteorite shale, fossil meteorites, and fusion crust. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Relict (fossil) meteorites
To all who are interested in this: In geology we use the term weathered or altered for rocks where the *majority* of minerals have been replaced by a weathering product (Fe-oxides, usually, in the case of chondritic meteorites). If the rock is a real basket case we put the word severely in front of weathered. It seems to me that relict is sugar-coating the fact that such meteorites are really severely weathered (W6) and have very little (5%) of the original mineralogy visible. Perhaps the NomCom should add a W7 to Wlotzka's 1993 weathering grade scheme to take care of the terminology issue. Matt Morgan David Weir wrote: Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not been so designated. The definition requires that more than 95% of a meteorite has been replaced by secondary phases since its fall. The meteorite Mills comes to mind as a possibility, but maybe its not quite there yet. David __ \ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall
RE: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Colorado fallHi Robert Matson, You have stated the issue quite clearly! Certainly, the video alone is a good evidence against it being a meteor. I recall the wide publicity all over, given to SKYLAB re-entry in 1979. At that time, South Africa was listed by tle local news media, as a possible target and that generated some worries among some members of the public. A colleague of mine, Andrew Gray (A.S.S.A. Natal Centre), received quite a few phone calls from worried members of the public, among them, an old lady from Durban, who lived alone with her pet, wanted to know where would be the safest place for her to go, because she was worried about her cat... Anyway, the space debris of SKYLAB fell over the Indian Ocean and some fell over Australia. Re-entries of this magnitude are indeed very rare. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: Alexander Seidel ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall Hi Alex and List, Yep, out here -- just working a program offsite so don't have as easy access to my e-mail. Marco already did an excellent job forwarding the precise info for this rocket body reentry -- there is zero chance this was anything else. The video alone is ample evidence against it being a meteor. Velocity, velocity, velocity -- it tells you every time. Like Alex, I would love to have seen this in person. And as for packing bags, why not? Space junk reentries are MUCH MUCH rarer than meteorite-producing meteors! Dirk opined: If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV or what your government tells you, then you can state what you have stated. Both events will be confirmed within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but they may be proven later to be fact. Can't yet speak to the New Jersey iron-bearing specimen, but you can certainly consider the Soyuz reentry to be FACT. I've got the satellite tracking code and data to prove it -- no need to rely on news outlets (which I would never trust to get a developing space/astronomy/science story correct). Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Object that fell into N.J. home is meteorite
Thanks for posting this article.which exasperates. SCIENTIFIC METHOD AT RUTGERS? There is very little about the New Jersey object that resembles a freshly fallen meteorite. It's shape is so ambiguous---at best--- that the only possible way to determine whether it was a freshly fallen meteorite is for a a little destructive analysis. The parameters used for the identification: density, magnetic properties, markings and coloration are wholly insufficient in the determination of the origin of such an object. While it may ultimately be among the most unusual freshly fallen meteorites known to exist, such an assessment cannot and should not ever have been made by simply passing it around for a casual analysis and singing kumbaya. Best/ darryl On Jan 5, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) wrote: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal- object0105,0,6089007.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines http://home.hvc.rr.com/kb2sms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Object that fell into N.J. home is meteorite
Hi Darryl, Oh I agree. I'm curious about how the real analysis will turn out. I used the term fusion crust before when I said I saw none on the suspected object, maybe that was the wrong term. I saw no dark material on it indicating a space origin. Looked to clean to me. By the way, my posts seem to take a day or 2 to get to the list, not sure why. I'm mostly a lurker to reduce spam coming in to me but now and then I like to join in. Regards! Tom On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Darryl Pitt wrote: Thanks for posting this article.which exasperates. SCIENTIFIC METHOD AT RUTGERS? There is very little about the New Jersey object that resembles a freshly fallen meteorite. It's shape is so ambiguous---at best--- that the only possible way to determine whether it was a freshly fallen meteorite is for a a little destructive analysis. The parameters used for the identification: density, magnetic properties, markings and coloration are wholly insufficient in the determination of the origin of such an object. While it may ultimately be among the most unusual freshly fallen meteorites known to exist, such an assessment cannot and should not ever have been made by simply passing it around for a casual analysis and singing kumbaya. Best/ darryl On Jan 5, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) wrote: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal- object0105,0,6089007.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines http://home.hvc.rr.com/kb2sms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://home.hvc.rr.com/kb2sms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer story in LATimes
NATION IN BRIEF / NEW JERSEY Tiny meteorite crashes into house From Times Wire Reports January 6, 2007 A mysterious object that crashed through the roof of a home and landed in the bathroom was a meteorite, experts said. No one was injured. For now, scientists are calling the dense metallic object Freehold Township after the place where it fell. The meteorite, about the size of a golf ball, weighs about 13 ounces. Geologists determined it was an iron meteorite because of its density and magnetic properties. This is a typical example of the quality of science reporting in the L.A. Times (and/or whatever wire service they used). #1 They don't explain WHY the object is or was mysterious; meteorites themselves aren't mysterious. The whole reason this story is mysterious is that the metal object looks nothing like a *freshly fallen* meteorite, and yet the object may very well be a meteorite. THAT'S THE STORY! #2 *Geologists* determined it was an iron meteorite based SOLELY on density and magnetic properties?! I doubt it. Geologists are brighter than that. Any lump of iron would pass such a test. Some additional quality of the object led them to rule out a manmade object. What was it? #3 Why do they continue to repeat the comparison with a golf ball? The object isn't spherical, and it's certainly larger than a golf ball in at least one dimension. As I wrote earlier, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the object turns out to be a meteorite. That's not the story here. How does a fresh meteorite fall end up looking like this object? You can argue semantics about whether iron meteorites have fusion crusts or not, but the exterior MUST be altered by its hypersonic atmospheric encounter, and none of the pictures I've seen show the hallmarks of such fresh alteration. So the question is: has any kind of test been done to confirm this is a fresh fall? If not, why not? --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Falls NJO
Hello McCartney, All, I doubt its meteoric origin as well. I've personally seen a number of other fresh iron falls and all that had been recovered recently after falling had been beautifully fusion crusted, if not on all surfaces, then all save one or two. This other side or two have always (100% of the time) either been clearly torn, displaying a widmanstatten pattern of some sort, or sheared, displaying clear parallel stress lines (see Boguslavka, Ziz, Taza, for examples of this, and of fusion crust on irons). The object from NJ appears to have been heavily battered. Assuming it truly is a meteorite, it's either not an 'ordinary' iron (its odd surface could be due to a non-uniform internal composition), or else it's part of a huge fall such as Sikhote-Alin, with enough fragments created at the end point of its trajectory to cause some serious damage to each other in the fall. I've yet to see anything like this phenomenon in any irons save Sikhote-Alin, even amongst other recently fallen crater-forming irons. Why anyone should doubt the existence of fusion crust on a freshly fallen iron is beyond me - have a look at Cabin Creek if you want proof that it still forms on smallish irons falling at terminal velocity. Regards, Jason On 1/4/07, Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No way Darren Garrison wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:01:17 -0600, you wrote: I propose we take a vote Who votes the NJO is a meteorite? Judging from what I could see in that short, low-resolution video, I vote yes. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com ebay id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] latest fall?
Hello Everyone: I am new to the list, and I need a hand. I've received some of the latest digests, and I'm sure you know what it is like to walk in on the middle of a conversation. If you wouldn't mind bringing me up to speed, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm the director of a planetarium in Little Rock, Arkansas, where I currently have part of the Woolard-Hinkle-Williams Meteorite Collection on display - to coincide with a program I wrote and produced about meteorites. Robert Woolard is my mentor, friend - and one of the stars of my show. Between getting the collection in and on display, and having been ill - I've missed the news. A couple of visitors have asked about a recent reported fall (crashing into a house?), and I was wondering if you guys fill me in on the who/what/where/when/why of it all. If you would like to respond off-list, my email is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your help! Pamela Shireman, Director EpiSphere Digital Planetarium 3301 East Roosevelt Road Little Rock, Arkansas 72206 501-838-2252 (cell) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2910
Thats one incredible meteorite Mike. Hope you have more awesome meteorites to peruse at the Tucson show. Bob Evans__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alfianello, Vigarano, Renazzo, Siena etc...request weights
the same I have request with my meteorites, now I ask to who have italian meteorites in the personal collections to inform me on the weights, thanks Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ...thank heavens for the Metlist digest...
you need a italian translation? Matteo --- almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi Dave and all, Note here, the ability to speck does not make one intelligent. :-) I think that Matteo uses some type of translation software. --AL Dave Harris wrote: ..otherwise I would have missed this beauty!!! ...And now stop to broken me...ah yes yes, now you say to me in private you come here to broken my face...its at 5 years I am under waith... My last word on this argoument Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa
Bernd but I am a stallion with girls ;-) bye Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: our famous italian stallion ... Steve, would you please refrain from such personal deflations of other list members' ego! I thought we did not want to start it all over again in 2007! In a private mail you told me your name was not Chicago Steve but Steve Arnold, which I respect (or at least try to). His name is Matteo, Matteo Chinellato! Thank you, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EL6/7 meteorite loaded on eBay foronecent.4.779 kilograms.
why if a person have buy now have the piece for the actual price have for low, after if confirmed Aubrite the price go up and not buy for the same price of now Matteo --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: the auction has close and when the first complete analysis its ready I put again for sale, unfortunately if confirmed 100% aubrite the price go up. Matteo why will the price 'unfortunatly' go up? the material is already yours - it doesnt cost you any more if the classification comes back as an aubrite, an EL or a camel turd. for someone who often times complains about some dealers charging too high prices for material (when you are not tlaking about the market being 'in ruin') I dont see the logic in the 'unfortunatly' going up. _ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme002001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seen IMCA control the not honest dealers or buyers
happy you to take the same if a similar idiot bid on your auctions and after not pay. Matteo --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Number 1: I believe this is an issue between YOU and EBAY in accordance with the Ebay standard practice and terms of service agreement. Number 2: ... It is too overwhelming to put into words so this will have to suffice. Where do you get off complaining about a lack of honesty and integrity? Frankly, it stretches all credibility and suggest that you live in a different reality. I surmise that some folks here hope that not only did they not pay but that you already shipped the items--to Nigeria! Number 3: Perhaps you should devote your time to other things other than whine on this list. Why don't you form your own group:The MM Bitch-0-gram ? Eman --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you not block this person on ebay with ID alfredos78, he have bid my auctions for a value of $900 and never have pay. Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] kendrapara/orrissa
probably for steve arnold the mathematics is not an opinion seen 400$ : 6 grams = 66.66$/gr. and not $350/gr..second, this is the last piece, the others pieces its all go sold. 3th when I put a photo and a description in a acution you buy what you seen and not type you when I have buy from you a piece of Kendrapara where in the auction its show a piece with crust and after its arrive to me a micro fragment of at 0.2 grams.ah, for who have say never I sold my slices of NWA 1058, all slices its go sold seen the news in arrive for this meteorite...who have buy have buy, who want a piece now not have. Matteo --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello list.I know that there has not been alot of this meteorite to go around,but I still have a 4 gram fragment.But on ebay I see our famous italian stallion has a 6 gram slice for $450.WOW!!!Over $350 a gram.WOW!!!I traded 10 small meteorites to get my piece,and they did not even cost half of that.WOW!!!. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net. Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Freehold NJ Map
Hey Guys, Check this map out: _http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=addressaddtohistory=address=; city=state=njzipcode=country=USgeodiff=1_ (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=addressaddtohistory=address=city=state=njzipcode=country= USgeodiff=1) Freehold is only one mile from Naval Weapons Station Earle. There is no chance that something could have been tossed over from there is there? Steve Arnold #1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
OK Doug, So it would have to burn coming in. I gotcha that far. So... Where was the fireball?Did no one at all see one? Where was the sonic boom? Did no one at all hear one? Where are the flowlines on the blue-black metal surface? If it is from an interior piece of a late in flight break up, where are the other pieces in the neighborhood? On another chat board I saw tonight, there was this post: i think i know what it was,i called the police station in new jersy.it looks like a piece of metal that flew out of a tub grinder,tub grinder is used to grind tree stumps.saw a 80 lb piece of metal fly 200yards so a smaller piece could fly more than that.that's why they are not saying anything. Interesting. Let me also ask this: If an expert was employed by an institution, that has a paid legal staff to advise them on such things, if they thought it might be a meteorite, but maybe a cleaned up Nantan, and not a fresh fall, would they be a little hesitant to boldly both proclaim that it was an authentic meteorite HOWEVER that they also felt in their professional expert opinion that a fraud was being perpetrated? I am not saying that is the case here, but I am just asking how far would a professional be willing to stick his neck out, just to see his name in the paper? Only to maybe see their name as a defendant on a lawsuit down the road if no fraud took place? Or might an expert be inclined to make no further comment no matter what? But Mark's link to the different video does seem to make it look a little more gray and silver rather than brown or rusty and silver looking. Just seems like there are a few pieces of the puzzle still missing. I am sure if it is on the up and up we will know pretty quickly. So if it is legit, what is a 13 ounce iron, almost but not quite witnessed fall worth anyway? mt, do you want to take a new survey? SA001 In a message dated 1/6/2007 1:28:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious, it is physically possible for a meteorite to enter our atmosphere so slow that it would fall without burning, no fireball, no melting of the surface of the rock? Hello 001, You mean shaken but not stirred? Cool question, on cool entry... Not in any mood to think, so I vote NO, it nearly impossible unless JPL has attached a remote control navigation booster module to it. The reason I suspect it isn't likely is because: 1. if it were dropped in free fall for say 500 km the velocity being acceleration (call that just 9 for fun) x time would speed it up to 3 km/s on hitting dense atmosphere and that's getting pretty hot already. The point being it would have much more than 500 km subject to relatively frictionless acceleration. 2.if it were nearer to earth, we can assume it is in orbit or I don't know how else it would get there unless Superman or some rogue nation plunked it up there. We already know that an orbital vector gives us a schorching say around 10 km/s entry. 3. and if it were like a rollercoaster coming from the other side of earth a la 1972 fireball, but then somehow trapped and pulled back into Earth, to beat the potential energy to get to the other side would definitely send it far out (see 1 above before it yo-yoed back in gaining like a steamroller. On the other hand if it went through a little atmosphere first and slowed down and fell backwards in, maybe it wouldn't be incandescent on the final fall, but the initial back side entry would have surely burned its way in on initial approach...) Maybe I've missed something, but that seems to cover it all, Good health to cherish every moment, for all, in the New Year, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Amazing impact-melt Eucrite!
I remember when NWA 2910 first came back from cutting. I went over to Mike's to paw through all the slices. I have always been partial to impact melts and this is a real beauty. I had a hard time picking out which slice I wanted, they were all pretty amazing. At the time it still wasn't known if it was lunar or a eucrite so I had to wait a couple weeks to take it home. Fortunately for my pocket book (but not for Mike and Jim) it turned out to be a eucrite. Definately a special meteorite. -- Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Mike wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2910.htm Check this one out, rivers of melt just got a new posterboy of a meteorite to show. I agree, that's certainly one of the most beautiful eucrites I've ever seen, and it's even better in person. I've seen the entire stone back in 2005, and I bought one of the first full slices of this beauty, more than a year ago. I'm still very happy with that baby - you just got to love it with all the vesicles in the melt-flow! Best, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How to get an NJO
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170067285874 + http://www.bestinflight.net/ = http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/04/national/main2329388.shtml ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossil meteorites
Why not take advantage of all the hassle paleontologists have already gone through and name each one after the epoch it can be best identified with? Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How to get an NJO
Yes, this one smells funny to me. The one thing I like though, is the non-stop publicity on every TV station in the USA! I must have received calls from just about everyone I know asking me if I was buying this thing! It could be a fall I guess, but just looking at the piece makes me think of NANTAN! I still think there is some funny business going on with this one. Mike Farmer --- Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170067285874 + http://www.bestinflight.net/ = http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/04/national/main2329388.shtml ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil, Relict, or Paleo- was Fossil NWA 2828
Under this NomCom guideline NWA2828 isn't relict as it is hardly altered and should be referred to as a paleo meteorite. (Note:If this gets too drawn out all meteoritic material is paleo as most is 4.5 billion years old). However, paleo is a best choice of the three proposed terms. My take on the three options: Relict: in petrology and geology is used to describe the occurrence of traces of original material after alteration. e.g. Serpentine is the hydrated alteration product of olivine and the presence of olivine or peridot within serpentine would be referred to as relict olivine etc. Lignite within a coal seam is relict lignite. NWA2828 is hardly relict under this definition and the NomCom guidelines. However, Relict is a valid incorporation of the concept into meteorites. Note that Relict is consistent with the almost complete alteration to secondary minerals. Where Fossil may include replacement of the original mineral. This is a subtle but important distinction. Fossil: (Greek Dug or to Dig) Obviously evolved this term is in wide use but rarely specified. It is usually descriptive of any ancient organically produced artifact; Trace, imprint, hard or soft tissue, premineralized, mineralized segment, mummified-- in some fashion altered from its original composition or state. By convention and to which source one subscribes,a fossil must be older than 20,000 OR 2 million years, cannot be derived from a living species, nor produced artificially . (AFAIRecall). Charcoal from the wildfire caused by Canyon Diablo can't be fossil but is paleo. Omitting the organically derived stipulation Fossil has been applied for example, to describe meteorites which were found in Ordovician aged sediments where the meteorites had been completely altered. It is also loosely used to describe ancient geological processes NWA2828 doesn't meet the criteria for being fossil. Paleo: denotes ancient and is used to describe events or things that are prehistoric--prehistory as in what that was not recorded: also to describe a process, condition or state occurring before the present Paleosoil, paleoatmosphere, paleoclimate, etc. The Winona Meteorite has been called paleo and was associated with a paleo settlement. Under strict reference Wolf Creek, Canyon Diablo, Winona, Lake Murray -- all would be paleo meteorites, as would anything derived from a prehistoric event as would tektites however that distinction need not always be applied. By elimination and like it or not PALEO is a best fit for NWA2828. As with any science, this represents the discovery of yet another distinction that we need a new category for. Both fossilized and relict seem to be subsets of the term paleo. Eman --- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, fossil may be accurate or maybe not, but why not use the broader terminology as designated by NomCom in their latest revision in which this new category is proposed? Read it here in section 1.2(c) Relict meteorites: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm#s12c This section is copied here for your convenience: c) Special provisions are made in these Guidelines for highly altered materials that may have a meteoritic origin, designated relict meteorites, which are dominantly (95%) composed of secondary minerals formed on the body on which the object was found. Examples of such material may include some types of meteorite shale, fossil meteorites, and fusion crust. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How to get an NJO
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:45:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Yes, this one smells funny to me. The one thing I like though, is the non-stop publicity on every TV station in the USA! I must have received calls from just about everyone I know asking me if I was buying this thing! It could be a fall I guess, but just looking at the piece makes me think of NANTAN! I still think there is some funny business going on with this one. Here is a composite of 3 images of the NJO. It seems pretty apparent that the golden appearance in the first photo (which is all over the place now) is the result of lousy photographer and not the actual apperance of the object. In the video it looked black, and in these two new images it looks black. As for the white areas, could it be drywall? http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/newiron.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Greg, I think I know who it is. We'll get him in Tucson.. (JOKE!) Not cool to joke around about murder mayhem. Sorry. I agree with what others have said - I have no doubt some people will take this scam seriously and be quite emotionally wracked by it. This is NOT merely playing on people's ignorance addressing their greed, cartoon religious beliefs or desire to help someone in a desperate situation - this addresses fear with an implication of deadly force. I was astonished the FBI told me, Oh, it's just one of those scamsjust delete it. I guess the guy on the phone isn't worried about an immense law suit from a surviving family. If there are a LOT of these, one of the people will just randomly be killed in an accident or even die in a mysterious way - and I can just see a family suing this dude and the FBI. At least the San Diego Police took a report. I reported it mainly in hopes that SOMEONE in the DA's office or FBI will at some point in time go on a mission to hunt this guy down like the dog he is and the more incidences that can be documented the better the likelihood of a lengthy prison visit where he could be some big bad dude's bitch. Maybe they could put him in the same cell block as nit wits who spread computer viruses. Mix them all in with hardened killers. Well, anyway, enough of that. Sorry for the digression. Threats have always put me in a bad mood. Best wishes, Michael on 1/6/07 8:41 AM, Greg Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael and List, I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and re-read it. They were the same. So Michael, I guess we better get together and eliminate this jackass first before he/she takes a hammer to our kneecaps, puts electrodes to our privates (with a splash of water for good measure) and breaks our piggy banks looking for those riches. This goofball must have gotten our email addresses from the list and I suspect other members probably received the same request for the charitable payoff, or will soon. Looking for a bigger hammer... Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam! Hay guys (and gals), Is this THE ultra scam, or what? Of course, I will be contacting the local police and FBI. If I disappear - guess it wasn't a scam! Not laughing in San Diego - Michael -- Attention , I Want you to read this message very carefully, and keep the secret with you till further notice, You have no need of knowing who i am, where am from,till i make out a space for us to see, i have being paid $ 50, 000.00 in advance to terminate you with some reasons listed to me by my employer,its one i believe you call a friend and someone you do business everyday with,i have followed you closely for days now and have seen that you are innocent of the accusetion,Do not contact the police or try to send a copy of this to them, because if you do i will know, and might be pushed to do what i have being paid to do,beside this the first time i turned out to be a betrayer in my job. Now listen,i will arrange for us to see face to face but before that i need the amount of $80,000.00,you have nothing to be afraid of,i will come to your office or home, so determine when you wish we meet,do not set any camera to cover us or set up any tape to record our conversation,my employer is in my control now,$20, 000.00 will be paid to the account i will provide for you,after our conversation,i will give you the tape that contains his request for me to terminate you, which will be enough evidence for you to take him to court(if you wish to), then the balance will be paid. You don't need my phone contact for now till am assured you are ready to comply good. NOTE:I have your whole details and will not entertain any question from you until i receive the part payment and i call you on your private phone numbers before we see. I am watching. Lucky You. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair -- What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It is what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Josh Billings (but oft credited to Mark Twain) __ Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
What I see is This:..You Nutjobs..have Attracted a Nut job..What With all the constant argueing,carrying on etc..Anybody can join this list..n sit n watch..you guys take this CRAP to the Exteremes!!!..WHY DON"T YOU ALL GROW THE HELL UP!!!...Damn!..My BestKevin. From:Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject:Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!Date:Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:46:07 -0800Greg, I think I know who it is. We'll get him in Tucson.. (JOKE!) Not cool to joke around about murder mayhem.Sorry. I agree with what others have said - I have no doubt some peoplewill take this scam seriously and be quite emotionally wrackedby it. This is NOT merely playing on people's ignorance addressingtheir greed, cartoon religious beliefs or desire to help someonein a desperate situation - this addresses fear with an implicationof deadly force. I was astonished the FBI told me, "Oh, it's just one of thosescamsjust delete it." I guess the guy on the phone isn't worriedabout an immense law suit from a surviving family. If there area LOT of these, one of the people will just randomly be killedin an accident or even die in a "mysterious" way - and I can justsee a family suing this dude and the FBI. At least the San DiegoPolice took a report. I reported it mainly in hopes that SOMEONEin the DA's office or FBI will at some point in time go on a mission tohunt this guy down like the dog he is and the more incidences thatcan be documented the better the likelihood of a lengthy prison visitwhere he could be some big bad dude's bitch. Maybe they couldput him in the same cell block as nit wits who spread computerviruses. Mix them all in with hardened killers. Well, anyway, enough of that. Sorry for the digression. Threatshave always put me in a bad mood. Best wishes, Michaelon 1/6/07 8:41 AM, Greg Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael and List, I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and re-read it. They were the same. So Michael, I guess we better get together and eliminate this jackass first before he/she takes a hammer to our kneecaps, puts electrodes to our privates (with a splash of water for good measure) and breaks our piggy banks looking for those riches. This goofball must have gotten our email addresses from the list and I suspect other members probably received the same "request" for the charitable payoff, or will soon. Looking for a bigger hammer... Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "Michael L Blood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Meteorite List" Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!Hay guys (and gals), Is this THE ultra scam, or what? Of course, I will be contacting the local police and FBI. If I "disappear" - guess it wasn't a scam! Not laughing in San Diego - Michael -- Attention , I Want you to read this message very carefully, and keep the secret with you till further notice, You have no need of knowing who i am, where am from,till i make out a space for us tosee, i have being paid $ 50, 000.00 in advance to terminate you with some reasons listed to me by my employer,its one i believe you call a friend and someone you do business everyday with,i have followed you closely fordays now and have seen that you are innocent of the accusetion,Do not contact the police or try to send a copy of this to them, because if you do i will know, and might be pushed to do what i have being paid to do,beside this the first time i turned out to be a betrayer in my job. Now listen,i will arrange for us to see face to face but before that i need the amount of $80,000.00,you have nothing to be afraid of,i will come to your office or home, so determine when you wish we meet,do not set any camera to cover us or set up any tape to record our conversation,my employer is in mycontrol now,$20, 000.00 will be paid to the account i will provide for you,after our conversation,i will give you thetape that contains his request for me to terminate you, which will be enough evidence for you to take him to court(if you wish to), then the balance will be paid. You don't need my phone contact for now till am assured you are ready to comply good. NOTE:I have your whole details and will not entertain any question from you until i receive the part payment and i call you on your private phone numbers before we see. I am watching. Lucky You.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --It is difficult to get a man to
Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Gee, Kevin, Sorry to hear you consider everyone on the list a nut job. Guess it is always good to get a clear headed and objective assessment from someone such as yourself. Thanks for setting us all strait. Michael on 1/6/07 11:15 PM, kevin decker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see is This:..You Nutjobs..have Attracted a Nut job..What With all the constant argueing,carrying on etc..Anybody can join this list..n sit n watch..you guys take this CRAP to the Exteremes!!!..WHY DONT YOU ALL GROW THE HELL UP!!!...Damn!..My BestKevin. From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam! Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:46:07 -0800 Greg, I think I know who it is. We'll get him in Tucson.. (JOKE!) Not cool to joke around about murder mayhem. Sorry. I agree with what others have said - I have no doubt some people will take this scam seriously and be quite emotionally wracked by it. This is NOT merely playing on people's ignorance addressing their greed, cartoon religious beliefs or desire to help someone in a desperate situation - this addresses fear with an implication of deadly force. I was astonished the FBI told me, Oh, it's just one of those scamsjust delete it. I guess the guy on the phone isn't worried about an immense law suit from a surviving family. If there are a LOT of these, one of the people will just randomly be killed in an accident or even die in a mysterious way - and I can just see a family suing this dude and the FBI. At least the San Diego Police took a report. I reported it mainly in hopes that SOMEONE in the DA's office or FBI will at some point in time go on a mission to hunt this guy down like the dog he is and the more incidences that can be documented the better the likelihood of a lengthy prison visit where he could be some big bad dude's bitch. Maybe they could put him in the same cell block as nit wits who spread computer viruses. Mix them all in with hardened killers. Well, anyway, enough of that. Sorry for the digression. Threats have always put me in a bad mood. Best wishes, Michael on 1/6/07 8:41 AM, Greg Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael and List, I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and re-read it. They were the same. So Michael, I guess we better get together and eliminate this jackass first before he/she takes a hammer to our kneecaps, puts electrodes to our privates (with a splash of water for good measure) and breaks our piggy banks looking for those riches. This goofball must have gotten our email addresses from the list and I suspect other members probably received the same request for the charitable payoff, or will soon. Looking for a bigger hammer... Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam! Hay guys (and gals), Is this THE ultra scam, or what? Of course, I will be contacting the local police and FBI. If I disappear - guess it wasn't a scam! Not laughing in San Diego - Michael -- Attention , I Want you to read this message very carefully, and keep the secret with you till further notice, You have no need of knowing who i am, where am from,till i make out a space for us to see, i have being paid $ 50, 000.00 in advance to terminate you with some reasons listed to me by my employer,its one i believe you call a friend and someone you do business everyday with,i have followed you closely for days now and have seen that you are innocent of the accusetion,Do not contact the police or try to send a copy of this to them, because if you do i will know, and might be pushed to do what i have being paid to do,beside this the first time i turned out to be a betrayer in my job. Now listen,i will arrange for us to see face to face but before that i need the amount of $80,000.00,you have nothing to be afraid of,i will come to your office or home, so determine when you wish we meet,do not set any camera to cover us or set up any tape to record our conversation,my employer is in my control now,$20, 000.00 will be paid to the account i will provide for you,after our conversation,i will give you the tape that contains his request for me to terminate you, which will be enough evidence for you to take him to court(if you wish to), then the balance will be paid. You don't need my phone contact for now till am assured
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Amazing impact-melt Eucrite!
I want seen who give 200$/gr. for a NWA eucrite when with similar money I have historical eucrites seen fallen Matteo Yes Matteo, but they don't look like this one either. Different people collect different things. I like shock melts. I paid $200/gm for this in 2005 and don't regret it a bit. Yes it would have been nice if there were hundreds of kilos and the price was $10/gm, but in 18 months I haven't seen anything to match it. And no I wouldn't trade it for one of your old historical falls even at twice the value. -- Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil, Relict, or Paleo- was Fossil NWA 2828
Hi, This is clearly a case where the terminology has not caught up with what's being described. There are many ways in which a Meteorite can age over a geologically significant time period, or a very short time, for that matter. The term fossil not only applies to ancient materials altered in composition, but to situations where the original materials have been completely replaced by other minerals which are deposited in their place, preserving the form, but not the substance, of the original. It's my impression that the very oldest fossil meteorites, those from Sweden that date back 380,000,000 to 410,000,000 years ago, are largely replacement materials. Irons are a completely different case. No matter how ancient the shale, it is the original material, now completely oxidized, but while the iron atoms are those of the original object, terrestrialization causes their original form to be completely lost. In a shorter run, the minerals of a stone meteorite are altered to different minerals while retaining their original form, and often the agent is water, as was apparently the case in these much-discussed NWA's. Has anyone produced an estimated terrestrial age for them? (I looked at some of the references but didn't see any estimates or determinations.) Since the Sahara was wet until the end of the recent Ice Age, they need not be particularly ancient. Talking about terminology always sounds like quibbling (sorry). Part of the problem is that the recovered meteorites that we know about are the ones lucky enough to land softly in a nice desert or dry lake or to be found soon enough that they haven't rotted away, and they DO rot away very quickly. For example, Iowa is much wetter than Kansas. Iowa has ONE chondrite that's a Find (not a Fall); Kansas has nearly 120. (OK, having Nininger helps some...) We were talking a few weeks ago about Tagish Lake, that is, the ones that got away and have been underwater for 5 years. I bet they're VERY altered and terrestrialized by now, unrecognizable sludge, but you could hardly call them paleo-meteorites! So, we're talking about meteorites that may be very ancient or may not be particularly ancient at all, that may be almost totally replaced, or that may be almost totally altered but not replaced at all, that may retain their original forms, or that may be nothing but a pile of red dirt. It doesn't sound to me like a single term applies reasonably to all these cases. On the basis of how the terms are used in the other sciences, I don't see how you could call anything a fossil unless it retains (much of) its original form, and it seems to me that altered should be a milder term than terrestrialized, but from what you say it's the other way around; a thing can be altered a little or a lot, but terrestrialized implies a transformation. Paleo- corresponds to no particular scale of age, the term being used freely in hundreds of age- differing contexts, and indeed, age may be irrelevant to the strange condition of a meteorite that's in the process of disappearing into the inhospitable and very hostile environment of Earth (not at all like a nice clean vacuum where the Sun always shines and a rock can bask in its rays for all of its days, and it never rains, not for billions of years). Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil, Relict, or Paleo- was Fossil NWA 2828 Under this NomCom guideline NWA2828 isn't relict as it is hardly altered and should be referred to as a paleo meteorite. (Note:If this gets too drawn out all meteoritic material is paleo as most is 4.5 billion years old). However, paleo is a best choice of the three proposed terms. My take on the three options: Relict: in petrology and geology is used to describe the occurrence of traces of original material after alteration. e.g. Serpentine is the hydrated alteration product of olivine and the presence of olivine or peridot within serpentine would be referred to as relict olivine etc. Lignite within a coal seam is relict lignite. NWA2828 is hardly relict under this definition and the NomCom guidelines. However, Relict is a valid incorporation of the concept into meteorites. Note that Relict is consistent with the almost complete alteration to secondary minerals. Where Fossil may include replacement of the original mineral. This is a subtle but important distinction. Fossil: (Greek Dug or to Dig) Obviously evolved this term is in wide use but rarely specified. It is usually descriptive of any ancient organically produced artifact; Trace, imprint, hard or soft tissue, premineralized, mineralized segment, mummified-- in some fashion altered from its
