Hello Stan and List,
To set the record straight, I DID NOT get my NWA 2999 material from
Aaronson. I had mine well before him and in the labs before anyone. Don't
mind the lower NWA number you may have, just an older set of numbers NAU
had. Ask Ted, he will set you straight. I have no worries
Stan,
Nowhere in your auction did you say that a provisional number was assigned.
It is simple, use your own NWA numbers from now on whether they are
provisional or not. It is dangerous to make pairing statements, let the
scientists do their job in this regard and make it formal. You made
Adam,
Are you and your brother blind? here it is spelled out in crayon for you - i
have highligted the portion of my auction that you both have claimed dont
exist in red - please scroll down all the way and READ the entire
description:
Stan,
The complaints have been pouring in about your supposed pairing for days,
every since your action started. I see you added a provisional number at the
very bottom of your auction after the damage was already done. Why not wait
for a formal report in order to release this item if it is
Hello Stan,
Your eBay ad started on October 9th where you clearly stated ...There is no
offical word on pairings yet - this is an assumption on my part..., (you
added Aarosnon's number a few days after you started your auction without
proper lab confirmation and NWA number). And again Stan,
Adam,
I included the angrite auction because i had some other ebay stuff going up
and the material was ready AND as i specifically said in my auction i should
have the provisonal number in a few days - and i did. if you dont like that
way of doing listing ebay auctions thats fine but it gives
Stan,
Just admit you are telling fibs. You say that Aaronson and others say the
stones look the same. That's funny, Aaronson and Boswell have never seen NWA
2999! You know what happened when Farrell changed the NWA 2999 abstract to
match his sample. It is simple, get your facts straight!
Your eBay ad started on October 9th where you clearly stated ...There is
no offical word on pairings yet - this is an assumption on my part...,
(you added Aarosnon's number a few days after you started your auction
without proper lab confirmation and NWA number).
WRONG - I DID have proper
Stan,
Just admit you are telling fibs. You say that Aaronson and others say the
stones look the same. That's funny, Aaronson and Boswell have never seen
NWA 2999! You know what happened when Farrell changed the NWA 2999 abstract
to match his sample. It is simple, get your facts straight!
Stan,
I would be happy to let this debate end here and now. All I ask is not to
mention my last name out of context in a public auction, we have discussed
this before. You have the right to run your auctions any way you want but if
I see unofficial pairing statements to material I am involved
Adam,
I will avoid the use of your name in my auctions from here on out unless I
have some specific reason to do so (cant think of one off the top of my head
but I'll just leave the possibility open) - but i will NOT refrain from
posting information about possible pairings. either official or
Stan,
Self-proclaimed pairings are considered bad business. I don't understand why
you cannot wait a week or two to get an official lab report with official
pairing statements since NAU provides this data. It is simple to mention
that you strongly suspect other pairings but using official
Adam,
I'm not using official numbers to enhance the value of my stone - if i
wanted to do that I would play it off as unique. If i mentioned i suspect
pairings then OBVIOUSLY i would be talking about nwa 2999 and 3164 because
it's not like there are too many non vessicualted nwa angrites out
Stan,
It is obvious you want it both ways. You base your Brachinite pairing
visually yet your Acap looks identical to 12 kilograms of material the
Aaronson's were selling over the last year. You are in touch with Dr. Bunch,
ask him about NWA 1839/3133 as this has already been addressed on the
It is obvious you want it both ways. You base your Brachinite
Brachnite? i thought we were talking about angrites. In any event i am not
basing the potential pairing on anything i see - as i said i am just
relaying information provided to me by my sources. researchers and
moroccains
Stan,
I addressed you and the List directly about the data on NWA 1836/3133 and
you were wrong. If you are too lazy to ask Dr. Bunch yourself, look in the
archives as this two year argument is over. NAU and Carnegie's data do not
support a pairing, look it up. I think you are borrowing
G'Day List,
I've just added a nice 220.3g Henbury Individual on eBay starting at $0.01.
This piece does have export clearance.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120042289479
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Folks, be careful: They are at it again:
Update your PayPal Account
Delete, do not open!
Bernd
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Does anyone, other than the parties directly involved actually read and
careabout these periodic postings to the list.
If so, please email me in private. I do not forward private email. I will
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involved,
Hi!
I have some ebay auctions in ~ 5 hours.
- a beautiful 31gr. etched partslice of Wabar
- a beautiful small slice of Fukang
- 90% crusted individual of Oum Dreyga / Amgala
- and some more small pieces of Barwell, Fisher, Yurtuk, Hainaut and
Saint-Séverin
If you are interested please follow
Good day!
As more dealers ask me add more URLs for RSS, they're done!
Please enjoy:
Tim Heitz - midwestmeteorman
Mark Ferguson - refamat
Norbert Kammel - rocksonfire
Martin Altmann - pardelmops
Andi Gren - nord_stein
Eric Olson - katy2kary
Some of dealers doesn't have currently any auctions.
Hi all -
Sorry to intrude on the Greg/Stan exchange, and
perhaps like my late cat I am simply taken in by shiny
things, but this is a beauty.
What is its composition, and how did it form?
good hunting,
Ed
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Hi all -
Perhaps my memory fails me, but I seem to remember
that Brenham was traded nearly two milleniums ago by
Native Americans and showed up in hopewell mounds,
not the mere hundred years ago stated in the Chronicle
article.
End of quibble, and best wishes for a very good hunt -
Ed
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Dear Walter and List Members,
Walter asks if anyone is interested in reading about these exchanges in
which List members sometimes get in heated, educated, informational or
passionate debates publicly. I for one feel it is an important part and duty
of any List member to bring to light
Hi everyone, I have been working on some updates for
my website, and have added some new meteorites and
updated pages throughout.
Here are a couple of Oman meteorites from old trips
that I finally got classified and added.
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/dhofar1250.htm
Beautiful L3.8
Hi Greg, Stan -
Greg, I think it would help if your posts were a
little more to the point. You seem to be irritated
with the way Stan is dealing with finds from Morocco,
but the specific complaints you have with him seem
unnecssarily vague to me.
I know there is a dealer chain, and pecking
E.P. Grondine writes:
Perhaps my memory fails me, but I seem to remember that Brenham was
traded nearly two milleniums ago by Native Americans and showed up
in hopewell mounds, not the mere hundred years ago stated in the
Chronicle article.
Hello Ed and List,
Because you ask, I'd like to draw
http://www.hutchnews.com/news/regional/stories/kiowa101406.shtml
Kiowa Co. used as substitute for Mars
By Tim Vandenack
The Hutchinson News
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Essam Heggy took a few steps, peering into the screen of a blue gadget cradled
in his arms, while Buster Wilson shuffled a few feet
Hi list.For the first time this year I have actually had sometime to
finally update my website with alot of new speicmens.Let me know what you
think and view at your liesure.Thanks again and I am looking forward to
seeing everyone again in tucson.
steve arnold,chicago,usa!!
Stan,
I addressed you and the List directly about the data on NWA 1836/3133 and
you were wrong.
Adam, you spoke of data that was new and never provided any actual DATA only
your summary of it.
If you are too lazy to ask Dr. Bunch yourself, look in the archives as this
two year argument
Let it go, Stan, you are completely wrong!
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From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
Stan,
I addressed you
Let it go, Stan, you are completely wrong!
First of all I wouldnt be wrong - NAU would be wrong since i was just
repeating what they said on the 1839/3133 pairing issue - and you know that.
Secondly - why not just show me - and all of the rest of the collecting
community WHY I'm wrong?
Stan,
Let it go, you are absolutely wrong, again. Like I told David Weir, contact
Dr. Bunch yourself about NWA 3133 and report back to the List your findings.
Read the archives, it is all in there.
The subject at hand is your unsavory business practices not the NWA
1839/3133 pairing issue
Let it go, you are absolutely wrong, again. Like I told David Weir,
contact Dr. Bunch yourself about NWA 3133 and report back to the List your
findings. Read the archives, it is all in there.
Why should i take up Dr. Bunch's precious time? you said data exists and all
i need to do is go
Hi Dave and Greg,
Informed decisions cannot be made in the vacuum of a
lack of knowledge.
I agree with you. I just question the reliability and validity of the
knowledge.
When these type posts are made, there is a lot of heated, emotional and
sometimes inflammatory discourse. People
Hi guys, list, Steve, Martin and friends,
Just have a look at this one, not a fall of course, but very very fresh, NOT
SAND BLASTED, and NO crust!
http://www.caillou-noir.com/AinBeida.htm
No one could explain the lack of crust..
2 cents
Michel
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De : [EMAIL
Adam Hupe wrote:
Stan,
Let it go, you are absolutely wrong, again. Like I told David Weir,
contact Dr. Bunch yourself about NWA 3133 and report back to the List
your findings. Read the archives, it is all in there.
Hello Adam,
Thanks for inviting me into your debate. All I have to say is
The latest is that they are not paired by three independent laboratories,
talk to Dr. Irving about this if you do not believe me. David, you are the
one that reported Dr. Bunch's statement that they were NOT paired to the
List.
Adam
- Original Message -
From: David Weir [EMAIL
WE got jolted out of bed this morning at 7:08 by what they are now reporting
as a 6.3 magnitude earthquake, about 18 miles from Kailua-Kona on the Big
Island. There was another quake about 7 minutes afterwards, about 5.8, and
18 or so aftershocks so far, mostly too small for us to feel here.
My last post on the subject,
I just had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Bunch just as few minutes ago
about the non-paired stones NWA 1839/3133.
Some statements made by Dr. Bunch:
He absolutely and unequivocally disagrees with David Weir's last post the
List.
He has access to the latest
Adam Hupe wrote:
My last post on the subject,
I just had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Bunch just as few minutes ago
about the non-paired stones NWA 1839/3133.
Some statements made by Dr. Bunch:
He absolutely and unequivocally disagrees with David Weir's last post
the List.
He has
Dr Bunch's exact quote The petrography, mineral chemistry and OXYGEN
ISOTOPSE clearly indicate that NWA 1839 and NWA 3133 are NOT paired,
period! bingo!
*all caps mine*
Adam,as i recall when we had discussed this matter previously you had said
that further testing of 1839 - specifically
Hello Everybody,
Hope everyone is enjoying this weekend. Have not posted in a few weeks as I
have been busy working around the house, this being the first fall for me in
my current house. Planted a couple red oak trees (more so, watched fellow
Kansas Meteorite Society member Jerry Calvert
Hi Darren:
Yes, you are right, but what do you expect from a reporter!
However, it you look at the animation (and given that it is a binary), you
can see the wobble of the larger mass as it is being pulled upon by the
smaller mass and the larger one precesses on its axis (they both precess)
due
- Original Message -
From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5218.pdf says that both
1839 and 3133 are from the CV parent body
Hi,
Only a complete fool would poke his nose into
this largely private mess, and here I am.
There are lots of
The terms same parent body, and same type,
and pairing all have quite different meanings, and
each has its own degree of uncertainty.
Sterling K. Webb
-
just for the record to avoid any possible confusion I am not claiming that
nwa 3133 and
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:33:48 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
Hi Darren:
Yes, you are right, but what do you expect from a reporter!
However, it you look at the animation (and given that it is a binary), you
can see the wobble of the larger mass as it is being pulled upon by the
smaller mass and the
Steve,
I took a brief tour through your updated website and noticed the picture of
you leaning against your front door is missing. Where did it go? It was
one of my favorites!
Best,
John
At 10:55 AM 10/15/2006, Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote:
Hi list.For the first time this year I have
Say it isn't so!
This is one of the great classics!
BRING IT BACK!!!
Sincerely, Michael
on 10/15/06 5:54 PM, JKGwilliam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve,
I took a brief tour through your updated website and noticed the picture of
you leaning against your front door
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_16.html
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http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/nwh_gfx_en/ART40995.html
NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM BLOG REVEALS METEORITE SEARCH IN AUSTRALIA
By Caroline Lewis
24 Hour Museum (United Kingdom)
October 13, 2006
Two scientists from the Natural History Museum (NHM) in London are
blogging their way across western
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/15755710.htm
Doubts cast on meteorite
By KEVIN MURPHY
The Kansas City Star
October 14, 2006
The object beneath a south-central Kansas farm field appears unlikely to
be a meteorite, according to readings from special detection equipment
taken
Greetings
I have a number of eBay auctions ending in less than 24 hours. As I write
this 5 are bid at $0.01 and 4 are unbid at $0.01. These include gretna,
tatahouine, oriented sikhote-alin and taza and a really nice 9.3 gram vaca
muerta with eucrite inclusion. In addition to the
At 06:14 PM 10/12/2006, tett wrote:
Pib and List,
Pib kindly wrote:
Here is the reference:
T.C. Van Flandern and R.S. Harrington (1976), A dynamical
investigation of the conjecture that Mercury is an escaped satellite
of Venus, _Icarus_ vol. 28, pp. 435-440.
I tired to find a copy on line
Yes, and I'm sure that buyers and potential buyeers appreciate that.
Dave
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Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:53 PM
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